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Not the best boxer ever. Possibly the best southpaw ever? Best Asian boxer ever? Definitely belongs in the company of ATGs, IMO, with what he has accomplished.

certainly can sit at the table with the greatest of all time IMO.
But the greatest? I wouldn't consider myself qualified to make that statement.

A lot of people older than me who follow the sport as I do say Sugar Ray Robinson but then again they didn't see the fighters that came before him.
Great BBQ conversation starter though

Impractical Poster wrote:Not the best boxer ever. Possibly the best southpaw ever? Best Asian boxer ever? Definitely belongs in the company of ATGs, IMO, with what he has accomplished.

Whitaker and Hagler were greater, he probably is the greatest asian.

Jip wrote:

Kalan wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Pac never ducked anyone ... Floyd was and still is a disgusting figure who nobody wants to see fight again unless it's against Pac 2 or GGG or Conor mcGregor in a cage -

You're a Floyd hater and Pac lover... If Floyd fought Keith Thurman or Kell Brook 10 X as many people would have bought PPV than watched his Berto fight... A World Welterweight Title Unification Fight instead of a sparring match with an incompetent boxer who no chance in Hell of winning.

Pacquiao is a chickenshat ducker if Floyd ever was.. There was never any chance Pac would fight Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, Errol Spence, Shawn Porter, or Terence Crawford.. He went with light hitters: Brandon Rios, Chris Aligieri, Tim Bradley, Jesse Vargas and anyone else he was almost certain to beat.. Pac has a lot of accomplishments, but he's also been knocked out 3 times among 8 fights that he didn't win -- and that's ducking some powerful hitters.

yeah and pac fought margarito, cotto, marquez and mayweather, those 4 guys are so inferior to thurman, spence, crawford and porter

All those clowns he was certain to beat... except Mayweather... Crawford, Thruman, Spence, or Porter would turn Pac in-side-out and he knows it -- otherwise he would have fought them instead of Rios, Algieri, Bradley and Vargas, who also wouldn't fight them -- except Algieri did fight Spence. What a clown.

Pac and Arum are not going to do Haymon any favors by letting his B sides get some shine from Pacquiao - Haymon protected Floyd from Pac from six years and you expect Arum to offer Pac to give Haymons B sides the golden opportunity? You're naive and don't know how the business works - Pac even wantd to fight and beat up Broner against Arum's will last year but Broner ducked it - because Haymon has big plans in the future for Broner and a KO loss to Pac would destroy Broner's career -

Jip wrote:if just one person would admit.

"yeah jip its true, climbing 12 division is more than phenomenal, what a career, nobody has and probably will ever do that. also boxing opponents who were around 6'0 and avoided by the supposed to be best of the generation floyd, but manny took margarito on as a 5'5 midget and won impressiv also deserves credit. the taller, with more reach floyd didnt take the risks the much smaller manny took, deserves credit. those achievemants manny had make him amongs the very best in boxing, atg top 5 easily."

than i would say finaly somebody makes sense. but you guys are so illogical, less well off that you dont see the big picture and the big picture is that you contradict yourself. if you rate boxers based on achievemants, meaning: how many fights did he had and how good were his opponents and did he climbed divisions to test himself against others in higher divisions?

than manny has to be recognized as the best boxer ever. cause he had a lot of fights, against high quality opponents and always tested himself in higher division, 12 division which is history cause nobody ever did it!

he didnt take 1 year vacation floyd to avoid paul williams and antonio margarito. he didnt came into bad shape as a 34 year old like leonard did. he came always in tip top shape, fighting the best and delivering action.

No one is questioning that what Manny accomplished is incredible - it is. It's just that boxing has a long history and there are many others who have done things even more incredible. Personally, I don't put too much weight into the number of divisions climbed - some boxers turn pro as skinny teenagers and grow with time, which means they end up competing in more divisions - that doesn't necessarily make them better or greater than someone who turned pro as a fully developed adult who never went up in weight. For me, his wins over Barrera, Morales and Marquez are the most impressive thing about his career, closely followed by his wins over Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito before his abilities started to fade.

jezzamundo wrote:

Jip wrote:if just one person would admit.

"yeah jip its true, climbing 12 division is more than phenomenal, what a career, nobody has and probably will ever do that. also boxing opponents who were around 6'0 and avoided by the supposed to be best of the generation floyd, but manny took margarito on as a 5'5 midget and won impressiv also deserves credit. the taller, with more reach floyd didnt take the risks the much smaller manny took, deserves credit. those achievemants manny had make him amongs the very best in boxing, atg top 5 easily."

than i would say finaly somebody makes sense. but you guys are so illogical, less well off that you dont see the big picture and the big picture is that you contradict yourself. if you rate boxers based on achievemants, meaning: how many fights did he had and how good were his opponents and did he climbed divisions to test himself against others in higher divisions?

than manny has to be recognized as the best boxer ever. cause he had a lot of fights, against high quality opponents and always tested himself in higher division, 12 division which is history cause nobody ever did it!

he didnt take 1 year vacation floyd to avoid paul williams and antonio margarito. he didnt came into bad shape as a 34 year old like leonard did. he came always in tip top shape, fighting the best and delivering action.

No one is questioning that what Manny accomplished is incredible - it is. It's just that boxing has a long history and there are many others who have done things even more incredible. Personally, I don't put too much weight into the number of divisions climbed - some boxers turn pro as skinny teenagers and grow with time, which means they end up competing in more divisions - that doesn't necessarily make them better or greater than someone who turned pro as a fully developed adult who never went up in weight. For me, his wins over Barrera, Morales and Marquez are the most impressive thing about his career, closely followed by his wins over Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito before his abilities started to fade.

jezza, you are again downsizing pacs achievemants saying you dont put much into it pac climbing so much divisions cause he started yougn skinny and put on weight. thats downsizing achievemants. if it was so easy to start boxing skinny young age and climb 12 divisions than why is pac and arguably langford the only 2 boxers in the 120+ years of boxing history the only ones who did it.

boxing with the queensbury rules exists since around 1860. so from 1860 till today 2017, only about a handful of boxers went up around 10-12 divisions.

so in 157 years only pacquiao, langford and maybe some 1-2 other boxers i dont know of achieved climbing 12 divisions, while still being succesful and you arent impressed by that? it is arguably the biggest achievemant a boxer ever had.

Interesting topic – one that I’d like to stir the proverbial pot, by supplying a few facts that are both irrefutable and extremely provocative in nature, which compares Pacquiao's career to Mayweather Jr's:

• Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were both competing as 106lb-ers when they were both 16 years of age, with Money May capturing Golden Gloves titles as an amateur and the Filipino making his pro debut at the same weight class.

• Floyd Mayweather became a three time 154lb champion as a pro, winning his titles by facing fully-fledged and seasoned light middleweight world champions that have also held (at some point) versions of the 160lb middleweight crown.

• In stark contrast, Manny Pacquiao won his light middleweight title, by competing for a vacant title competed at a 150lb catch-weight, against an opponent that had fought only twice in 2½ years, losing one of those bouts very badly to Shane Mosley... and had little experience and zero accomplishment at the 154lbs weight.

• Manny Pacquiao has never “officially” weighed more than 147lbs. Mayweather has weighed more than 147lbs three times, his heaviest “official” weight being 151lbs.

• Manny Pacquiao has competed in more catch-weight (or made bigger opponents fight small) world title bouts than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Manny Pacquiao by a country mile when they fought at welterweight, with the 147lb weight class considered the Filipinos natural habitat, since he’s been campaigning at the weight for almost 7½ years.

Enlightened-One wrote:Interesting topic – one that I’d like to stir the proverbial pot, by supplying a few facts that are both irrefutable and extremely provocative in nature, which compares Pacquiao's career to Mayweather Jr's:

• Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were both competing as 106lb-ers when they were both 16 years of age, with Money May capturing Golden Gloves titles as an amateur and the Filipino making his pro debut at the same weight class.

• Floyd Mayweather became a three time 154lb champion as a pro, winning his titles by facing fully-fledged and seasoned light middleweight world champions that have also held (at some point) versions of the 160lb middleweight crown.

• In stark contrast, Manny Pacquiao won his light middleweight title, by competing for a vacant title competed at a 150lb catch-weight, against an opponent that had fought only twice in 2½ years, losing one of those bouts very badly to Shane Mosley... and had little experience and zero accomplishment at the 154lbs weight.

• Manny Pacquiao has never “officially” weighed more than 147lbs. Mayweather has weighed more than 147lbs three times, his heaviest “official” weight being 151lbs.

• Manny Pacquiao has competed in more catch-weight (or made bigger opponents fight small) world title bouts than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Manny Pacquiao by a country mile when they fought at welterweight, with the 147lb weight class considered the Filipinos natural habitat, since he’s been campaigning at the weight for almost 7½ years.

just aint true of all what you said and you left things out, which are important.

true, floyd started at a amateur at the weight you mentioned, pac started pro at the weight you mentioned.

floyd ducked back than acelino freitas and joel casaymayor, although they were for a long time in his division, he never wanted to face them. freitas had like a 100 % ko ratio and joel was just a very good unbeaten boxer.

so floyd was ducking freitas, casamayor in early years, what did pacquiao do? fight prime marquez, fight morales and barrera!

later floyd moved up in weight, waited and waited and waited and fought b level opponents like colrey, ndou, bruseles and old old gatti, for the simple reason, that he wanted nothing to do with king tszyu. than he fought and beat old oscar. but since at that particular time the welterweight division was blasting and lots of talent was around like prime paul williams, prime antonio margarito, prime joshua clottey, prime manny pacquiao, what did floyd than do? take a 1 year 9 month vacation

now comes one of the most important parts.

size, height and reach do matter in boxing.

manny had a better career than floyd, although manny was a midget

manny
height 5′ 5½″ / 166cm
reach 67″ / 170cm
floyd
height 5′ 8″ / 173cm
reach 72″ / 183cm

with height and reach disadvnatge on most of his opponents and yes height and reach do matter. the biggest reason why floyd didnt want to fight paul williams was his long reach and height, i am not making this up, floyd said this on a radio show

after 1000000000000000000000000000000 excuses floyd finaly fights pac and it ends with one of the most boring fights ever with a result draw. both landed nothing but air, nobody truly deserved the win. with you saying floyd won by a country mile, when all rounds were close cause both landed 0,0 clear shots take all your expertise away. so from now you are officialy a non expert.

Jip wrote:

Kalan wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Pac never ducked anyone ... Floyd was and still is a disgusting figure who nobody wants to see fight again unless it's against Pac 2 or GGG or Conor mcGregor in a cage -

You're a Floyd hater and Pac lover... If Floyd fought Keith Thurman or Kell Brook 10 X as many people would have bought PPV than watched his Berto fight... A World Welterweight Title Unification Fight instead of a sparring match with an incompetent boxer who no chance in Hell of winning.

Pacquiao is a chickenshat ducker if Floyd ever was.. There was never any chance Pac would fight Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, Errol Spence, Shawn Porter, or Terence Crawford.. He went with light hitters: Brandon Rios, Chris Aligieri, Tim Bradley, Jesse Vargas and anyone else he was almost certain to beat.. Pac has a lot of accomplishments, but he's also been knocked out 3 times among 8 fights that he didn't win -- and that's ducking some powerful hitters.

yeah and pac fought margarito, cotto, marquez and mayweather, those 4 guys are so inferior to thurman, spence, crawford and porter

You're right there... In the case of "hands of stone" Margarito, WAY inferior... Without his plaster casts, Cheato didn't knock out anybody in his last 4 fights, losing 3 of them ... Pacquiao is good at fighting the feather fisted like Algieri, Rios, Bradley, and Mayweather... but killers like Crawford, Spence, Porter, Brook, and Spence he's never even mentioned them... I'll note that young killer Errol Spence knocked Algieri over like dandelion fluff and Pac couldn't get rid of him.. and hasn't scored a KO in 7 years.

Wow. I would not even put him in my top 50 fighters of all time. Please don't make me come out with a list now, because I will. Not hating, but I really wonder about some of the knowledge when I read questions like this.
Oh, and for Floyd...let's keep this real people. The line forms to the left for people who would have split his wig, starting with ALL of murderers row. Plus, I'll throw in Hector, Oscar in his prime, Sweat Pea, etc. etc.

I actually forgot Thurman who's tried to get a Pacquiao or Mayweather fight for years... It should have read "Pacquiao is good at fighting the feather fisted like Algieri, Rios, Bradley, and Mayweather... but killers like Crawford, Thurman, Porter, Brook, and Spence he's never even mentioned them... I'll note that young killer Errol Spence knocked Algieri over like dandelion fluff and Pac couldn't get rid of him.. and hasn't scored a KO in 7 years."

Kalan wrote:I actually forgot Thurman who's tried to get a Pacquiao or Mayweather fight for years... It should have read "Pacquiao is good at fighting the feather fisted like Algieri, Rios, Bradley, and Mayweather... but killers like Crawford, Thurman, Porter, Brook, and Spence he's never even mentioned them... I'll note that young killer Errol Spence knocked Algieri over like dandelion fluff and Pac couldn't get rid of him.. and hasn't scored a KO in 7 years."

spence a natural welterweight....pacquiao came from minimuweight. pac climbed 12 divisions and kod opponents. let spence move 4 divisions and we ll see if he can handle kovalev and bertebiev and ko them like they dandelion fluff

Jip wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Interesting topic – one that I’d like to stir the proverbial pot, by supplying a few facts that are both irrefutable and extremely provocative in nature, which compares Pacquiao's career to Mayweather Jr's:

• Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were both competing as 106lb-ers when they were both 16 years of age, with Money May capturing Golden Gloves titles as an amateur and the Filipino making his pro debut at the same weight class.

• Floyd Mayweather became a three time 154lb champion as a pro, winning his titles by facing fully-fledged and seasoned light middleweight world champions that have also held (at some point) versions of the 160lb middleweight crown.

• In stark contrast, Manny Pacquiao won his light middleweight title, by competing for a vacant title competed at a 150lb catch-weight, against an opponent that had fought only twice in 2½ years, losing one of those bouts very badly to Shane Mosley... and had little experience and zero accomplishment at the 154lbs weight.

• Manny Pacquiao has never “officially” weighed more than 147lbs. Mayweather has weighed more than 147lbs three times, his heaviest “official” weight being 151lbs.

• Manny Pacquiao has competed in more catch-weight (or made bigger opponents fight small) world title bouts than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Manny Pacquiao by a country mile when they fought at welterweight, with the 147lb weight class considered the Filipinos natural habitat, since he’s been campaigning at the weight for almost 7½ years.

just aint true of all what you said...

If you wholeheartedly believe that each and every single one of the points listed in my post are factually incorrect, then please provide evidence that contradicts my claims.

If you've impulsively accused me of lying, based on being compelled to defend Manny Pacquiao's reputation "at-all-cost", without any foundation based on facts, then all you've achieved is prove to everyone that your opinion should be considered utterly worthless.

I'll comment on the other points you've raised when you have proven to me that you have a comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Jip wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Interesting topic – one that I’d like to stir the proverbial pot, by supplying a few facts that are both irrefutable and extremely provocative in nature, which compares Pacquiao's career to Mayweather Jr's:

• Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao were both competing as 106lb-ers when they were both 16 years of age, with Money May capturing Golden Gloves titles as an amateur and the Filipino making his pro debut at the same weight class.

• Floyd Mayweather became a three time 154lb champion as a pro, winning his titles by facing fully-fledged and seasoned light middleweight world champions that have also held (at some point) versions of the 160lb middleweight crown.

• In stark contrast, Manny Pacquiao won his light middleweight title, by competing for a vacant title competed at a 150lb catch-weight, against an opponent that had fought only twice in 2½ years, losing one of those bouts very badly to Shane Mosley... and had little experience and zero accomplishment at the 154lbs weight.

• Manny Pacquiao has never “officially” weighed more than 147lbs. Mayweather has weighed more than 147lbs three times, his heaviest “official” weight being 151lbs.

• Manny Pacquiao has competed in more catch-weight (or made bigger opponents fight small) world title bouts than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

• Floyd Mayweather Jr. defeated Manny Pacquiao by a country mile when they fought at welterweight, with the 147lb weight class considered the Filipinos natural habitat, since he’s been campaigning at the weight for almost 7½ years.

just aint true of all what you said...

If you wholeheartedly believe that each and every single one of the points listed in my post are factually incorrect, then please provide evidence that contradicts my claims.

If you've impulsively accused me of lying, based on being compelled to defend Manny Pacquiao's reputation "at-all-cost", without any foundation based on facts, then all you've achieved is prove to everyone that your opinion should be considered utterly worthless.

I'll comment on the other points you've raised when you have proven to me that you have a comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.

your points are correct. except the country mile floyd win. you happy now

you still a non expert. cause acting like floyd had a easy fight with pac and clearly won it when in reality he did nothing by run, rarely had clear landed punches, pac wasnt any better, thats why the fight was more a draw than a win for anybody. and now take your time answering what i said in my big post

I've been and continue to be a Manny guy. He's brought me great excitement over the years and in my mind, he's one of my favorite boxers of all time. But, I can't call him the best ever or put him in the argument between the top 10 boxers all time. I just can't do it. Yet, i should say. Because he could sign on to fight Terrance Crawford at the end of the year and what happens if he wins that fight? What if he defeats Thurman if not TC? Canelo? Manny has one more big fight to make before he hangs them up and he could definitely add to his legacy with a significant win like the above names.

But if not and his best is behind him, I call him one of the best lightweights in history but I can't call him THE best boxer ever. I'd have a hard time fitting him in the top 10. The GOAT discussion would be over had Floyd fought everyone because I think that he would have won and he's the best of all time but I can't give that title to someone that avoided so many fighters in their prime. But Floyd's the best i've ever seen, i can't be a prick and deny my eyes just because i dislike the guy so much.

NO

Jip wrote:
boxing with the queensbury rules exists since around 1860. so from 1860 till today 2017, only about a handful of boxers went up around 10-12 divisions.

Considering the original 8 divisions that would of been very difficult in 1860
But still 5 or 6 divisions in the original classes so very impressive nonetheless.

Jip wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Jip wrote:if just one person would admit.

"yeah jip its true, climbing 12 division is more than phenomenal, what a career, nobody has and probably will ever do that. also boxing opponents who were around 6'0 and avoided by the supposed to be best of the generation floyd, but manny took margarito on as a 5'5 midget and won impressiv also deserves credit. the taller, with more reach floyd didnt take the risks the much smaller manny took, deserves credit. those achievemants manny had make him amongs the very best in boxing, atg top 5 easily."

than i would say finaly somebody makes sense. but you guys are so illogical, less well off that you dont see the big picture and the big picture is that you contradict yourself. if you rate boxers based on achievemants, meaning: how many fights did he had and how good were his opponents and did he climbed divisions to test himself against others in higher divisions?

than manny has to be recognized as the best boxer ever. cause he had a lot of fights, against high quality opponents and always tested himself in higher division, 12 division which is history cause nobody ever did it!

he didnt take 1 year vacation floyd to avoid paul williams and antonio margarito. he didnt came into bad shape as a 34 year old like leonard did. he came always in tip top shape, fighting the best and delivering action.

No one is questioning that what Manny accomplished is incredible - it is. It's just that boxing has a long history and there are many others who have done things even more incredible. Personally, I don't put too much weight into the number of divisions climbed - some boxers turn pro as skinny teenagers and grow with time, which means they end up competing in more divisions - that doesn't necessarily make them better or greater than someone who turned pro as a fully developed adult who never went up in weight. For me, his wins over Barrera, Morales and Marquez are the most impressive thing about his career, closely followed by his wins over Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito before his abilities started to fade.

jezza, you are again downsizing pacs achievemants saying you dont put much into it pac climbing so much divisions cause he started yougn skinny and put on weight. thats downsizing achievemants. if it was so easy to start boxing skinny young age and climb 12 divisions than why is pac and arguably langford the only 2 boxers in the 120+ years of boxing history the only ones who did it.

boxing with the queensbury rules exists since around 1860. so from 1860 till today 2017, only about a handful of boxers went up around 10-12 divisions.

so in 157 years only pacquiao, langford and maybe some 1-2 other boxers i dont know of achieved climbing 12 divisions, while still being succesful and you arent impressed by that? it is arguably the biggest achievemant a boxer ever had.

I'm not saying that climbing 12 divisions is a common or an easy thing to do - it clearly isn't. That said, it is exaggerated by the sheer number of closely-spaced weight divisions at lower weights and the relatively small number of world class boxers competing in them. I am impressed by it, no question, but I don't think it's the most impressive achievement in boxing's history. I'm more impressed with great boxers who fight other great boxers when they are both in their prime - something we don't see enough of these days.

For the record, I would say Henry Armstrong simultaneously holding world titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight (not to mention having a draw in a fight for the middleweight title) is significantly more impressive than anything Manny has done.

caldo2025 wrote:I've been and continue to be a Manny guy. He's brought me great excitement over the years and in my mind, he's one of my favorite boxers of all time. But, I can't call him the best ever or put him in the argument between the top 10 boxers all time. I just can't do it. Yet, i should say. Because he could sign on to fight Terrance Crawford at the end of the year and what happens if he wins that fight? What if he defeats Thurman if not TC? Canelo? Manny has one more big fight to make before he hangs them up and he could definitely add to his legacy with a significant win like the above names.

But if not and his best is behind him, I call him one of the best lightweights in history but I can't call him THE best boxer ever. I'd have a hard time fitting him in the top 10. The GOAT discussion would be over had Floyd fought everyone because I think that he would have won and he's the best of all time but I can't give that title to someone that avoided so many fighters in their prime. But Floyd's the best i've ever seen, i can't be a prick and deny my eyes just because i dislike the guy so much.

so you think had floyd faced everyone he would have won? so floyd beat prime paul williams, prime antonio margarito, prime kostya tszyu and prime manny pacquiao, who were all available during 2008 floyds 2 year vacation? except kostya, who was king of super lightweight division when floyd was busy boxing bruseles, ndou etc.

but you right on that one, had floyd faced and beat pac, marga, paul, tszyu than i would have had no problem saying "floyd has the best record i have ever seen, so just based on record floyd #1 ever" i mean beating prime pac, beating canelo, beating all those guys mentioned combined with his overall skills is remarkable.

jezzamundo wrote:

Jip wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
No one is questioning that what Manny accomplished is incredible - it is. It's just that boxing has a long history and there are many others who have done things even more incredible. Personally, I don't put too much weight into the number of divisions climbed - some boxers turn pro as skinny teenagers and grow with time, which means they end up competing in more divisions - that doesn't necessarily make them better or greater than someone who turned pro as a fully developed adult who never went up in weight. For me, his wins over Barrera, Morales and Marquez are the most impressive thing about his career, closely followed by his wins over Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito before his abilities started to fade.

jezza, you are again downsizing pacs achievemants saying you dont put much into it pac climbing so much divisions cause he started yougn skinny and put on weight. thats downsizing achievemants. if it was so easy to start boxing skinny young age and climb 12 divisions than why is pac and arguably langford the only 2 boxers in the 120+ years of boxing history the only ones who did it.

boxing with the queensbury rules exists since around 1860. so from 1860 till today 2017, only about a handful of boxers went up around 10-12 divisions.

so in 157 years only pacquiao, langford and maybe some 1-2 other boxers i dont know of achieved climbing 12 divisions, while still being succesful and you arent impressed by that? it is arguably the biggest achievemant a boxer ever had.

I'm not saying that climbing 12 divisions is a common or an easy thing to do - it clearly isn't. That said, it is exaggerated by the sheer number of closely-spaced weight divisions at lower weights and the relatively small number of world class boxers competing in them. I am impressed by it, no question, but I don't think it's the most impressive achievement in boxing's history. I'm more impressed with great boxers who fight other great boxers when they are both in their prime - something we don't see enough of these days.

For the record, I would say Henry Armstrong simultaneously holding world titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight (not to mention having a draw in a fight for the middleweight title) is significantly more impressive than anything Manny has done.

okay i can live with that answer

Impractical Poster wrote:Best Asian boxer ever?

3G.

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Best Asian boxer ever?

3G.

I love Golovkin, but there is no way I am ranking him above Manny at this point.

Impractical Poster wrote:

PsychoGamerTwo wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Best Asian boxer ever?

3G.

I love Golovkin, but there is no way I am ranking him above Manny at this point.

Not even in the vicinity, his closest rival is probably Pancho Villa.