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boxing_rocks wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: Only a fucktard believes he is 100% clean

Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: Only a fucktard believes he is 100% clean

Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

First of all your assumptions does not make it true that every top fighter in the last 30+ years used PEDS, and every athlete in the world. Crazy unfounded statement to make, imo. If Victor Conte is correct, he said failing a drug test is more like failing an intelligent test. The dumb ones get caught. With all that said, not every athlete in the last 30+ years is guilty of using PEDS. It is more naive to think they are guilty than not.

I truly believe that there are clean athletes, and a lot of them that care about their health. By the way, I guess we can all blame Floyd Mayweather for getting the random testing thing going. I think it is a good thing.

That's why he is called PEDvetkin

Badhusker wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

First of all your assumptions does not make it true that every top fighter in the last 30+ years used PEDS, and every athlete in the world. Crazy unfounded statement to make, imo. If Victor Conte is correct, he said failing a drug test is more like failing an intelligent test. The dumb ones get caught. With all that said, not every athlete in the last 30+ years is guilty of using PEDS. It is more naive to think they are guilty than not.

I truly believe that there are clean athletes, and a lot of them that care about their health. By the way, I guess we can all blame Floyd Mayweather for getting the random testing thing going. I think it is a good thing.

Good post. I also agree random testing is what's best for the sport. It will save lives

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:The Povetkin camp consistently underestimates the thoroughness of these tests. I'm sure he'll pass one somewhere down the line.

The failed test dated December 6. Tests taken on December 13 and 15 were clean.

Is it possible that the test that popped him was a more thorough test? One that was more thorough than the Povetkin team was anticipating?

Obviously not, nobody got similar testresults as the Americans got, even independant Europeans don't. It's far more likely Wada/Vada screwed up all over again.

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote: The failed test dated December 6. Tests taken on December 13 and 15 were clean.

Is it possible that the test that popped him was a more thorough test? One that was more thorough than the Povetkin team was anticipating?

Obviously not, nobody got similar testresults as the Americans got, even independant Europeans don't. It's far more likely Wada/Vada screwed up all over again.

Huge Povetkin fan?

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Is it possible that the test that popped him was a more thorough test? One that was more thorough than the Povetkin team was anticipating?

Obviously not, nobody got similar testresults as the Americans got, even independant Europeans don't. It's far more likely Wada/Vada screwed up all over again.

Huge Povetkin fan?

Not even, that's the worst part of all. I prefere AJ more actually, even though he made some dumb choices, both recently as well as in the past.

yes he should but 1 yr ban / from the scheduled stiverne match .......12 months forward / so tail end of 2017 = end of ban

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote: ...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

First of all your assumptions does not make it true that every top fighter in the last 30+ years used PEDS, and every athlete in the world. Crazy unfounded statement to make, imo. If Victor Conte is correct, he said failing a drug test is more like failing an intelligent test. The dumb ones get caught. With all that said, not every athlete in the last 30+ years is guilty of using PEDS. It is more naive to think they are guilty than not.

I truly believe that there are clean athletes, and a lot of them that care about their health. By the way, I guess we can all blame Floyd Mayweather for getting the random testing thing going. I think it is a good thing.

Good post. I also agree random testing is what's best for the sport. It will save lives

Or kill match-ups... Pick your poison I spose.

tiny_acres wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote: ...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

First of all your assumptions does not make it true that every top fighter in the last 30+ years used PEDS, and every athlete in the world. Crazy unfounded statement to make, imo. If Victor Conte is correct, he said failing a drug test is more like failing an intelligent test. The dumb ones get caught. With all that said, not every athlete in the last 30+ years is guilty of using PEDS. It is more naive to think they are guilty than not.

I truly believe that there are clean athletes, and a lot of them that care about their health. By the way, I guess we can all blame Floyd Mayweather for getting the random testing thing going. I think it is a good thing.

Good post. I also agree random testing is what's best for the sport. It will save lives

Save lives? If you're concerned with saving lives ban the sport. If you're concerned with athletes health, ban all sports. They're not healthy pursuits, not good for any sort of longevity in terms of wellness. Don't buy your cigarette smoking, alcohol swigging representatives bull crap.

punchoutsb wrote: Save lives? If you're concerned with saving lives ban the sport. If you're concerned with athletes health, ban all sports. They're not healthy pursuits, not good for any sort of longevity in terms of wellness. Don't buy your cigarette smoking, alcohol swigging representatives bull crap.

This reinforces the already considerable doubts about him.

Povetkin is just too much of a big ? to include in Heavyweight discussions anymore.

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Amszing, the same sample has been tested somewere else and they couldn't find anything?

Not as thorough.

VADA has lied about Povetkin testing positive before... They're NOT to be trusted... If they lied about his Meldonium tests why do you trust them not to lie about Povetkin's other tests??? Testing agencies are NOT even supposed to test the B Sample unless the athlete requests it... Povetkin never asked for it to be tested and those bastards did it because they're in a war with Povetkin over his defamation law suits, which seek 10’s of millions in damages. They’re throwing everything at him they can.

I told everyone VADA would test Povetkin's B Sample just to undermine him and Ryabinski... I told everyone they would do it just before the lawsuit hit for maximum negative impact... What should happen is VADA should be lose their accreditation to test ANY athlete in ANY sport... They’re proven liars and criminals, associated with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte… NOTHING is beneath those bastards.

bigman1968 wrote:

klitoris wrote:And the Povetkin apologists fly away...

The idiots will continue to deny everything even if you'll place video of Ryabinski injecting dope to Povetkin's ass and feeding him meldonium soup and ostarine cake

Mmmm, Ostarine cake, yummy...

badkatt wrote:yes he should but 1 yr ban / from the scheduled stiverne match .......12 months forward / so tail end of 2017 = end of ban

He was on probation after Meldonium case, and according to WBC ruling in his previous case it should be 2 years, if I remember right. The ruling on WBC site, you can check....

boxing_rocks wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

It's not a religion, no need to believe...it's matter only who was found positive or negative by lab agreed by parties and sanctioning body. That simple.

That simple? Joshua doesn't do VADA. WBC gives a break to Stiverne and Vargas, but doesn't to Povetkin. VADA also have humans working there who can be biased, blackmailed, bribed, etc.

That simple

BTW, from what I find online - both AJ and WK are monitored by VADA for this fight at least....

WHO GIVES A FLYING F ABOUT POVETKIN AND HIS DAMN SAMPLES? HOW MANY POSTS CAN WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS JUNKY. HE'S NOT EVEN A GOOD BOXER TO START WITH AND HE'S A PROVEN CHEATER SO WHO EVEN CARES?

Kalan wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Amszing, the same sample has been tested somewere else and they couldn't find anything?

Not as thorough.

VADA has lied about Povetkin testing positive before... They're NOT to be trusted... If they lied about his Meldonium tests why do you trust them not to lie about Povetkin's other tests??? Testing agencies are NOT even supposed to test the B Sample unless the athlete requests it... Povetkin never asked for it to be tested and those bastards did it because they're in a war with Povetkin over his defamation law suits, which seek 10’s of millions in damages. They’re throwing everything at him they can.

I told everyone VADA would test Povetkin's B Sample just to undermine him and Ryabinski... I told everyone they would do it just before the lawsuit hit for maximum negative impact... What should happen is VADA should be lose their accreditation to test ANY athlete in ANY sport... They’re proven liars and criminals, associated with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte… NOTHING is beneath those bastards.

I don't get it. If they are proven liars and criminals, how are they still around and relevant?

Impractical Poster wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Not as thorough.

VADA has lied about Povetkin testing positive before... They're NOT to be trusted... If they lied about his Meldonium tests why do you trust them not to lie about Povetkin's other tests??? Testing agencies are NOT even supposed to test the B Sample unless the athlete requests it... Povetkin never asked for it to be tested and those bastards did it because they're in a war with Povetkin over his defamation law suits, which seek 10’s of millions in damages. They’re throwing everything at him they can.

I told everyone VADA would test Povetkin's B Sample just to undermine him and Ryabinski... I told everyone they would do it just before the lawsuit hit for maximum negative impact... What should happen is VADA should be lose their accreditation to test ANY athlete in ANY sport... They’re proven liars and criminals, associated with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte… NOTHING is beneath those bastards.

I don't get it. If they are proven liars and criminals, how are they still around and relevant?

Because they got the media behind their back. The media decides pretty much everything, especially with dumb people.

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: Only a fucktard believes he is 100% clean

Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

Don't be stupid... Boxers don't generally use PEDs... Boxers in the 60's and 70's used PEDs all the time because they were LEGAL to use.. When PEDs were outlawed most everybody but a few idiots stopped using them.. Most of the time when guys were caught it was inadvertent usage.. They had no idea they had even taken anything illegal -- but it was in their food or supplement or medication they were taking or whatever... There's so damned many PED's today it's hard to keep track.. Why would anybody cheat when everybody who tests positive is flagged and their reputation is sullied???

Povetkin never used a damned thing and fought recently.. He's not guilty of any PED use at any time, but the criminals at VADA -- like ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte -- have targeted him because Ryabinsky outbid all American promoters for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight and they were pissed as Hell... It turns out Povetkin passed ALL his tests for Wilder, and VADA and the WBC even admitted it -- but it's just not being played up in the American media because he's a Russian, and VADA and the WBC got away with very mealy mouthed language in admitting they were wrong..

Wait until Ryabinsky's and Povetkin's lawsuits hit the fan... If they win they're going to follow up and turn Boxing up-side-down -- and expose VADA and the WBC.. Believe me, Povetkin and Ryabinsky are angry and pissed off as Hell about being targeted and lied about.. Every other testing agency used besides VADA tested Povetkin clean.. They're all accredited and VADA has been wrong so often it tells you something is rotten in Denmark.. The WBC is insisting all it's champions and contenders sign up for their "Clean Boxing Program" and they're forcing them to use VADA.. They're supposed to be the "Voluntary" testing agency.. Why do you think Ward refused to use VADA for the Rodriquez fight... He said, "Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA" ... Conte can't go near a competitive Track and Field athlete.. Why do you suppose that is???

asdfjkl wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:I'm sorry but there's no excuse. You test positive in both the A and B sample, you need to be banned. I would say 2 years from the Duhaupas fight.

Personally I would ban him for 6 years considering a second failed test after that failed Melodonium test. But seeming VADA chickened out and didn't follow through with their findings, I'll settle with the 2 years.

He never failed the meldonium test, he took meldonium when it was allowed, that's all.
50 years ago it was also allowed to drink alcohol as a professional cyclist, Americans are still allowed to use aspirins as far as I know, while that gives pretty much the same results.

He took melodonium when it was allowed, but it was showing up in his system 5 months later? That would suggest he was taking it much more recently than December 31. Yes I know, the amount in his sample was 'below threshold', but why oh why was it there in the first place? Contamination? That is why we have the B sample, which I never even heard was tested at all.

And just out of curiosity, what is the performance enhancing benefits of aspirin?

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: Only a fucktard believes he is 100% clean

Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

You're a f*cking idiot. Such the conspiracy theorist. Why not name every successful athlete in the history of sport, if you want to be that absurd? I personally know guys at the top of the game, namely in athletics, which I know for a fact are not on anything. I mean what have you got to back this outlandish claim up with? Or is this resentment that you're own sporting career was so unsuccessful that any athlete that made it must be doing it by sinister means?

Every athlete that breaks the laws of the game should be shown the door. In my opinion forever, especially in boxing. Povetkin pisses hot and within hours knocks Duhaupas out cold. What kind of world are we living in that this is allowed to happen?

badkatt wrote:yes he should but 1 yr ban / from the scheduled stiverne match .......12 months forward / so tail end of 2017 = end of ban

Why only 1 year?

asdfjkl wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Kalan wrote:
VADA has lied about Povetkin testing positive before... They're NOT to be trusted... If they lied about his Meldonium tests why do you trust them not to lie about Povetkin's other tests??? Testing agencies are NOT even supposed to test the B Sample unless the athlete requests it... Povetkin never asked for it to be tested and those bastards did it because they're in a war with Povetkin over his defamation law suits, which seek 10’s of millions in damages. They’re throwing everything at him they can.

I told everyone VADA would test Povetkin's B Sample just to undermine him and Ryabinski... I told everyone they would do it just before the lawsuit hit for maximum negative impact... What should happen is VADA should be lose their accreditation to test ANY athlete in ANY sport... They’re proven liars and criminals, associated with ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte… NOTHING is beneath those bastards.

I don't get it. If they are proven liars and criminals, how are they still around and relevant?

Because they got the media behind their back. The media decides pretty much everything, especially with dumb people.

That's the most vague and random post ever. I'm glad you're here to clear up all the worlds conspiracies for us, not sure what we'd do without you.

Kalan wrote:

Boxing Writer wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Only a fucktard believes that Wilder, Joshua, Klitchko, Ortiz, Stiverne, etc. are 100% clean.

...also Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Golota, Mayweather, Paquiao, Hopkins, Roy Jones, ODLH and this list goes on and on.

Every top fighter of the last 30+ years used PEDs. Hell, EVERY athlete in the world, who competes on the high level, uses PEDs. That's why I think Povetkin shouldn't be disqualified even though in most of his fights I was rooting against him. OK, he might get some punishment for being dumb (i.e. enable to cover up using PEDs like others do, though it's much harder to do if you are tested randomly), but 6 months would be enough.

I also believe that a lot of great fighters of the last 30 years would have been caught if they were randomly tested throughout training camp, not just day(s) before and right after the fight.

Don't be stupid... Boxers don't generally use PEDs... Boxers in the 60's and 70's used PEDs all the time because they were LEGAL to use.. When PEDs were outlawed most everybody but a few idiots stopped using them.. Most of the time when guys were caught it was inadvertent usage.. They had no idea they had even taken anything illegal -- but it was in their food or supplement or medication they were taking or whatever... There's so damned many PED's today it's hard to keep track.. Why would anybody cheat when everybody who tests positive is flagged and their reputation is sullied???

Povetkin never used a damned thing and fought recently.. He's not guilty of any PED use at any time, but the criminals at VADA -- like ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte -- have targeted him because Ryabinsky outbid all American promoters for the Wilder-Povetkin Fight and they were pissed as Hell... It turns out Povetkin passed ALL his tests for Wilder, and VADA and the WBC even admitted it -- but it's just not being played up in the American media because he's a Russian, and VADA and the WBC got away with very mealy mouthed language in admitting they were wrong..

Wait until Ryabinsky's and Povetkin's lawsuits hit the fan... If they win they're going to follow up and turn Boxing up-side-down -- and expose VADA and the WBC.. Believe me, Povetkin and Ryabinsky are angry and pissed off as Hell about being targeted and lied about.. Every other testing agency used besides VADA tested Povetkin clean.. They're all accredited and VADA has been wrong so often it tells you something is rotten in Denmark.. The WBC is insisting all it's champions and contenders sign up for their "Clean Boxing Program" and they're forcing them to use VADA.. They're supposed to be the "Voluntary" testing agency.. Why do you think Ward refused to use VADA for the Rodriquez fight... He said, "Victor Conte is mixed up with VADA" ... Conte can't go near a competitive Track and Field athlete.. Why do you suppose that is???

You keep mentioning Victor Conte. What exactly is his role in VADA?