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Posted: **03 Feb 2017, 23:17**

thought a draw was on the cards, although i had choc winning by 1. i have no issue with the Greeny winning but a couple of the scores are odd. one judge didnt take the point the from greeny another having it 98 90 is hard to comprehend.

Posted: **03 Feb 2017, 23:40**

lol.
When the subject is Green AND/OR Mundine you guys go crazy.
They must be very polarizing characters in Australia.

Just watched this a little while ago on the.............less than stellar............ youtube video.
The ref can clearly be heard saying "let go" and was already pulling Green's arm when Mundine hit him.
Cheap shot?
Maybe, maybe not.
Doesn't matter either way.
The ref had clearly told the fighters to let go and was starting to pull them apart which makes any punch an illegal punch until after the ref has separated the fighters.

Two vets long past their best days getting one more big paycheck in the ring.
That's really all this fight was.
Considering their age I thought it was a decent fight, can't expect anything classic from either of them at this point.
The decision was not a robbery. The 98-90 needs to be explained but the other two were fine. 95-93 Green.

Mundine's punch resistance is miles better at this weight than it was when he was trying to fight at junior middle.
Clottey, Rabchanka and Hatley hurt Mundine pretty much every time they touched him.
Green knocked him around but Mundine wasn't constantly getting hurt.

If they want to do a rubber match good for them but imo it's time for them to move on.
Both men have had solid, respectable careers but they are spent bullets at this point, no reason to keep taking punches.
Green's comeback was all about a rematch with The Man. That's done now and he was not impressive.
If Mundine wants to go out on a win he should fight a journeyman super middleweight.

Posted: **03 Feb 2017, 23:51**

No it doesn't. Let go is not the same as break or stop, especially when you're not the one doing the holding. We've seen referees tell someone to let go a million times in an attempt to get them to fight out of it rather than break them up. Green and ref both fucked up. Green also broke the rules all night long as he usually tries to.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 00:17**

p4p1 wrote:No it doesn't. Let go is not the same as break or stop, especially when you're not the one doing the holding. We've seen referees tell someone to let go a million times in an attempt to get them to fight out of it rather than break them up. Green and ref both fucked up. Green also broke the rules all night long as he usually tries to.

The ref does not have to use specific words and you know it.
It's not uncommon that one or both fighters doesn't even speak or understand the same language as the ref ffs.
You have seen the fight and you can watch the youtube video.
The ref had moved in and was starting to separate the fighters, they were beyond the point of being allowed to punch.
I agree that the ref should not have been pulling on Green's arm before getting between the fighters but not crediting Mundine with a knockdown or ko was the right call.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 00:27**

Perseus wrote:
p4p1 wrote:No it doesn't. Let go is not the same as break or stop, especially when you're not the one doing the holding. We've seen referees tell someone to let go a million times in an attempt to get them to fight out of it rather than break them up. Green and ref both fucked up. Green also broke the rules all night long as he usually tries to.

The ref does not have to use specific words and you know it.
It's not uncommon that one or both fighters doesn't even speak or understand the same language as the ref ffs.
You have seen the fight and you can watch the youtube video.
The ref had moved in and was starting to separate the fighters, they were beyond the point of being allowed to punch.
I agree that the ref should not have been pulling on Green's arm before getting between the fighters but not crediting Mundine with a knockdown or ko was the right call.

No but it's generally accepted that let go isn't the same as break or stop fighting. I've heard refs say let go or stop holding and every time it's so the fighters can keep fighting out of the clinch without the ref breaking them. Ref was also standings behind Green relative to Mudnines view which would've made it hard to know for Mundine of Green was being grabbed or not. It's down to a ref fornicate up but it was a legal knockdown.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 00:30**

Yank refs and judges are totally different to Oz. IMO, they would've been better off with Vic ref Ignatius Missailidis, SA judge Tom Ferrauto plus WA, NSW or Qld judge. That would make as neutral as one could get.
When I receive official results, I'll ask who requested/insisted on Yanks.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 01:10**

bogan whisperer wrote:
coneye wrote:
lazboy wrote:
!00% agree with you. One thing though, obviously you don't have to agree. Yea Green was more active but I thought that was "survival active" to try keep Mundine off him rather than effective active if you know what I mean
150% AGREE Green was holding , committed the biggest mistake of all and took his eyes of his opponent , choc hit him with a LEGAL punch ref had not said break so Choc was entitled to punch ,, Green should of had a count put on him and then a ko victory to Mundine ,
You need to take a listen to the video above too. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright

Please...the ref didn't say break and was not assertive enough. Green was trying to be dirty and hold and hit. It's what he does. The ref was approaching but from Greens side. What is Mundine meant to be watching Green, watching punches coming at him and also watching to see where the ref is all at the same time in the matter of seconds. How many eyes does Mundine have? It's boxing, split decision actions, no time to think in there only react when you're up that close. Mundine reacted like a smart fighter. Green tried to grab, hold and hit. There was no clear break. Mundine did what you are meant to do. He moved on him and hit him. Green didn't protect himself and just stood there. Mundine out manoeuvred him. Regardless, Mundine was penalised, Green was given ample time to recover and the fight continued with Mundine walking him down and hurting him several times.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 01:33**

Aye Boss who won ha ha ha ha ha tell the truth now

98/90

this other guy 96/94 and doesn't take the point away from Danny how good was that round 7 was a round Mundine won Green then gets a point deducted that's a 10/8 round to Mundine even in round 10 Danny won that in one judge's opinion that was the round that The Man absolutely cemented victory had Danny backing up like a boss

its terrible that judge's get influenced by other people and political stuff.............Both fighter's have hearts as big as Phar Lap but Danny was made for Mundine
Anthony about 12 year's ago told a bloke who was an ex-fighter who also helped Choc in some of his fight's that Danny Green can never ever beat him his style is made for me Mundine said...........................After watching both of there fight's the last few day's then you would have to agree with that assumption.................................................Mundine still The Man

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 03:09**

mundine showed his true colours by throwing a cowards king hit and should in fact have been dq'd. it was illegal and deliberate.

why take a point off green when mundine gets away with 4 dozen of them cheap shots? the fruitloop threw one of them that should have been another point off and then still threw another that landed right on the referee's jaw ffs. and the ref still didn't take a point off. that's terrible refereeing imo.

if you think mundine won you are delusional. mundine and his own corner knew they were behind and that is all the proof I need.

I think green won most of the rounds but no he did not win every round.

if mundine knew he'd won he would have blown up bigtime, I guarantee it.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 03:59**

p4p1 wrote:I thought Mundine won. Danny was more active but not landing much. However it's a worrying for boxing.

Round seven clearly being a Mundine round, 2 judges awarded 10-9 for Mundine plus the deduction making it a 10-8. The judge that had it 96-94 scored the round a draw then failed to deduct a point in his adding up of the total score.

Im also not sure about the point deduction for Mundine, the referee had yet to break them Danny was stupidly looking at the referee and both guys were hitting on the break constantly all night long. I don't think the point off was justified. We've seen worse in boxing. A call of let him go to green is not calling both fighters to break. The referee was yet to physically seperate them. Sorry guys it's fair game at that point.

Agree with you 100% I thought Mundine landed the better cleaner punches, was in control and whilst it was close I thought Mundine won. I agree with you n the first round and no point should have been deducted.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 04:01**

Lets make it perfectly clear ,, stop holding and Break are two entirly different commands , Break is BREAK and there is no excuse for hitting after you have been told its a blatant foul ,, BUT he did'nt say BREAK , how many times have you seen two boxers holding and the ref says stop holding , box out actually instructing them to throw punches and stop holding , it happens All the time .

The ref said stop holding , Green was holding like he does , and turned his back / head , and choc let a punch go .. that punch landed WHERE on the chin in a scoring part of the body ,, if it landed behind the head it would of been an illigal blow , but it DID'NT ,

Proper result should of been Mundine KO 1ST RND ,,,, But since it was allowed to go on personaly i think a draw would of been better Green threw more , Choc landed cleaner , hard one to judge , but tell you what , Choc if they fought again would probably come in more confident , more motivated , and stop him . .. It will probably happen about November , just in time to pick up some extra cash for xmas .

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 06:25**

buster007 wrote:mundine showed his true colours by throwing a cowards king hit and should in fact have been dq'd. it was illegal and deliberate.

why take a point off green when mundine gets away with 4 dozen of them cheap shots? the fruitloop threw one of them that should have been another point off and then still threw another that landed right on the referee's jaw ffs. and the ref still didn't take a point off. that's terrible refereeing imo.

if you think mundine won you are delusional. mundine and his own corner knew they were behind and that is all the proof I need.

I think green won most of the rounds but no he did not win every round.

if mundine knew he'd won he would have blown up bigtime, I guarantee it.

You're blinded by Danny love, Nearly every Aussie boxer on twitter viewed it as a Mundine win, ffs even mma fighter called it a Mundine win, Green should of fought Brock Lesnar Green really brang his WWE style

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 06:27**

p4p1 wrote:Bogan whisperer, let go of him is not a vocal order for the fighters to break or stop fighting.

Correct ;Break,Stop,Time

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 07:44**

I'd bet goood money (5 bucks) that the ref was talking to Danny. Let go of him Danny, it's a fist fight.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 07:48**

bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote:
p4p1 wrote:I thought Mundine won. Danny was more active but not landing much. However it's a worrying for boxing.

Round seven clearly being a Mundine round, 2 judges awarded 10-9 for Mundine plus the deduction making it a 10-8. The judge that had it 96-94 scored the round a draw then failed to deduct a point in his adding up of the total score.

Im also not sure about the point deduction for Mundine, the referee had yet to break them Danny was stupidly looking at the referee and both guys were hitting on the break constantly all night long. I don't think the point off was justified. We've seen worse in boxing. A call of let him go to green is not calling both fighters to break. The referee was yet to physically seperate them. Sorry guys it's fair game at that point.
Yes I don't think it was Mundine's fault. The ref was on the other side of Green and with all the noise at the fight, Mundine probably didn't even hear him. Protect yourself at all times and Green wasn't looking at Mundine. Probably a bit of a cheap shot but Mundine was not to blame I don't think.
Take a listen to the video above. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright

Even if he did hear him the ref said stop holding and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 07:50**

fox wrote:
bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote: Yes I don't think it was Mundine's fault. The ref was on the other side of Green and with all the noise at the fight, Mundine probably didn't even hear him. Protect yourself at all times and Green wasn't looking at Mundine. Probably a bit of a cheap shot but Mundine was not to blame I don't think.
Take a listen to the video above. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright
Even if he did hear him the ref said let him go and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 10:29**

how was that young fat white kid lol

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 18:29**

fox wrote:
bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote: Yes I don't think it was Mundine's fault. The ref was on the other side of Green and with all the noise at the fight, Mundine probably didn't even hear him. Protect yourself at all times and Green wasn't looking at Mundine. Probably a bit of a cheap shot but Mundine was not to blame I don't think.
Take a listen to the video above. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright
Even if he did hear him the ref said stop holding and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.

In the video you can clearly hear the referee's instruction well before Mundine hits Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_gAZkEsdKQ

The referee was plainly of the view he had given Mundine fair warning because he very nearly stopped the fight on a foul.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/dann ... 40a1ecbb33

"Green had been caught in the back of the head, while not looking, by a cheap shot from Mundine as referee Frank Garza tried to break the fighters. Garza wanted to call Friday night’s fight off, then and there".

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 18:38**

Mundine sooked liked a little boy whos dog had been stolen after Geale schooled him in their rematch. Nobody had it even close and he was claiming he got ripped off for months.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 19:10**

bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote:
bogan whisperer wrote:
Take a listen to the video above. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright
Even if he did hear him the ref said stop holding and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.
In the video you can clearly hear the referee's instruction well before Mundine hits Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_gAZkEsdKQ

The referee was plainly of the view he had given Mundine fair warning because he very nearly stopped the fight on a foul.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/dann ... 40a1ecbb33

"Green had been caught in the back of the head, while not looking, by a cheap shot from Mundine as referee Frank Garza tried to break the fighters. Garza wanted to call Friday night’s fight off, then and there".

Yes you can hear the ref say let him go to Green. At no stage did he say stop punching. And it caught him on the chin while not looking, not in the back of the head. The fight is in the books now and we see a points win to Green.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 21:09**

this can go on for months as we all have an opinion. We got the fight on at a friends house and I attended the Rabchenko fight. I thought Choc lost against the Russian through inactivity but thought he won by two or three against Green.
Still think Mundine is his own worst enemy though in that he rarely lets his fist loose, sometimes you are willing him to through punches because he seems so in control.
the 98 90 was rubbish as everyone has said I could understand the 94-94. If only Choc threw a bit more leather. Anyway Mundine has had the better of careers between these two fighters but both of them are set for life and at the end of the day few boxers end up in that position.
Now lets turn our attention to the new batch of fighters. Time to test the Maloneys and can I say some of the undercard was an embarassment to our sport

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 21:31**

Grant wrote:this can go on for months as we all have an opinion. We got the fight on at a friends house and I attended the Rabchenko fight. I thought Choc lost against the Russian through inactivity but thought he won by two or three against Green.
Still think Mundine is his own worst enemy though in that he rarely lets his fist loose, sometimes you are willing him to through punches because he seems so in control.
the 98 90 was rubbish as everyone has said I could understand the 94-94. If only Choc threw a bit more leather. Anyway Mundine has had the better of careers between these two fighters but both of them are set for life and at the end of the day few boxers end up in that position.
Now lets turn our attention to the new batch of fighters. Time to test the Maloneys and can I say some of the undercard was an embarassment to our sport

Spot on ,, The Moloneys they do need to step up , but i don't think they carry the power needed for high international level ... time will tell

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 23:11**

I think Moloneys were on the show 'cos they were told the show will be shown live in numerous countries.
Unfortunately, it didn't pan-out that way. Only NZ ppv Sky Arena's negotiations came good 2 days before the show, hence its subscription was 39.95 & not Main Event's 59.95

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 23:12**

bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote:
bogan whisperer wrote:
Take a listen to the video above. You can clearly hear the referee well before Mundine strikes Green and the referee is almost in touching distance of them when he says it. That he didn't hear the call is all too convenient. He heard it alright
Even if he did hear him the ref said stop holding and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.
In the video you can clearly hear the referee's instruction well before Mundine hits Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_gAZkEsdKQ

The referee was plainly of the view he had given Mundine fair warning because he very nearly stopped the fight on a foul.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/dann ... 40a1ecbb33

"Green had been caught in the back of the head, while not looking, by a cheap shot from Mundine as referee Frank Garza tried to break the fighters. Garza wanted to call Friday night’s fight off, then and there".

Again. Let him go IS NOT an instruction from the referee to stop fighting.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 23:55**

p4p1 wrote:
bogan whisperer wrote:
fox wrote: Even if he did hear him the ref said stop holding and he didn't say stop punching. I think it's fair game until the ref says Stop.
In the video you can clearly hear the referee's instruction well before Mundine hits Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_gAZkEsdKQ

The referee was plainly of the view he had given Mundine fair warning because he very nearly stopped the fight on a foul.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/dann ... 40a1ecbb33

"Green had been caught in the back of the head, while not looking, by a cheap shot from Mundine as referee Frank Garza tried to break the fighters. Garza wanted to call Friday night’s fight off, then and there".
Again. Let him go IS NOT an instruction from the referee to stop fighting.

It matters not what we think about what was said by the referee.

1/ He was in charge of the fight.
2/ Mundine would have heard what the referee said because it can clearly be heard in the video.
3/ In the opinion of the referee it was a fowl blow.

Mundine is very lucky he wasn't disqualified. That much is indisputable.

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