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Wilder has been carefully protected his ENTIRE career - they know he can't take a punch and have catered his career to avoid the tragic exposure - the fraud will continue and continue and continue because AH is desperate to fabricate his next counterfeit $ earner -

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You give him far too much credit for whom he fights. The money there hasn't been exorbitant. No matter what message boarders may think of him, a. Top fighter would be insane to fight wilder for short money

if you are talking to me, sorry, i
don't think i get your point.

if you mean there was little money
in his fights, well that's what happens
if you enter with no-names. had he
gone for wlad, i guess the figures
would differ substantially.

The only Fight i was slightly impressed was against Arthur, he got some Shots took them and brutally ko'es him.
All other Fights were mosrly boring.
Joshua has also still to prove himself Whyte was his best opponent and he got hit pretty often before ko' ing the Bodysnatcher.

Greets Myrmi

Wilder 100% needs to step it up

Wasting his career

Impractical Poster wrote:

man wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

man wrote:

I think Duhaupas was, even though Duhaupas wasn't a real pro at the time, he made post delivery mailboxes as a main job at the time, but became a pro boxer since his unexpected world titlefight on short notice and made a lot of progression since. He really looked like a reasonable boxer against Povetkin.

you are kidding, right? duhaupas was
a post man and got a title shot?

He wasn't a post delivery guy, he was a metalworker, he made mailboxes for on the street and things like that for a living.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alkzPurKH0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5T0-fxF2bY

man wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You give him far too much credit for whom he fights. The money there hasn't been exorbitant. No matter what message boarders may think of him, a. Top fighter would be insane to fight wilder for short money

if you are talking to me, sorry, i
don't think i get your point.

if you mean there was little money
in his fights, well that's what happens
if you enter with no-names. had he
gone for wlad, i guess the figures
would differ substantially.

That's the only guy. Wilder/ pulev, etc makes nothing more than any of his fights.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

man wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You give him far too much credit for whom he fights. The money there hasn't been exorbitant. No matter what message boarders may think of him, a. Top fighter would be insane to fight wilder for short money

if you are talking to me, sorry, i
don't think i get your point.

if you mean there was little money
in his fights, well that's what happens
if you enter with no-names. had he
gone for wlad, i guess the figures
would differ substantially.

That's the only guy. Wilder/ pulev, etc makes nothing more than any of his fights.

interesting. would have thought otherwise.

montrealsuper wrote:Wilder has been carefully protected his ENTIRE career - they know he can't take a punch and have catered his career to avoid the tragic exposure - the fraud will continue and continue and continue because AH is desperate to fabricate his next counterfeit $ earner -

He took some heavy shots against Stiverne.

I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

I think both are plastic champions.
Parker's road to the title (as they promoted it here in NZ) was littered with old has beens and never will be's, all but Takem were out side of the top 50. And Ruiez was ranked 22 if my memory serves me correct.
For Parker to go the distance with a guy like Andy Ruiez and Wilder to do the same with Stiverne says it all.
AJ, WK, Ortiz etc are at another level.
I doubt Parker or Wilder will match up against them. Not if they want to keep their straps.


Excuse my poor name spelling.

Stiverne is a better opponent than an overweight Andy Ruiz.

Wilder has a better resume than Ortiz. They both fought Malik Scott and Wilder won by KO in round one. Ortiz won by UD.

I agree with Rscarf. There are a lot of Wilder haters about his resume when in fact Parker, Joshua are all about the same albeit Joshua's will change when he beats Wladimir.

No Heavyweight champion has fought anyone independently ranked inside the top 10 in the last 12 months. The only heavyweight fight in the last 12 months involving two fighters in the top 10 was when Joe Parker (ranked 10 in May) beat Carlos Takam (ranked 9 in May).

Within 18 months Wilder has fought the number 13 and the number 14.

The real truth is top ten fighters avoid other real top 10 fighters whenever possible. Fights involving a pair of genuine top 10 fighters are rare at anyweight.

If Wilder was all set to go against Povetkin and Povetkin cheated, Wilder deserves some credit. True it took Wilder about 7 years as a pro to sign to fight someone as good as Povetkin.

Washington is a far better opponent than Arreola at this stage of the game. But yeah, Deontay has been overprotected, no question.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:Wilder has been carefully protected his ENTIRE career - they know he can't take a punch and have catered his career to avoid the tragic exposure - the fraud will continue and continue and continue because AH is desperate to fabricate his next counterfeit $ earner -

He took some heavy shots against Stiverne.

Push punches - Stiverne threw the fight - Don King even said later that Stiverne "transferred" the belt to Wilder like a business transaction - which means it was clearly a fix - and the motive to fix was there as Stiverne is a ZERO draw because of zero charisma or excitement factor plus he's pushing 40 - all the reasons were there for Stiverne to be manipulated to throw the fight to the younger more profitable boxer - it's all about Bu$ine$$ now -

Stiverne is unsellable to the public and TV networks - Stiverne is being used as a pawn and will surely be rewarded for his obedience - Haymon knows he has to give Stiverne another payday and thus he is being protected to be used as pawn patsy for Wilder later this year - this is why Stiverne will duck Ortiz -

RScarf1 wrote:Stiverne is a better opponent than an overweight Andy Ruiz.

Wilder has a better resume than Ortiz. They both fought Malik Scott and Wilder won by KO in round one. Ortiz won by UD.

Nope, even an overweight Ruiz is far superior, also, Ortiz has a better resume then Wilder with his latest 3 fights and openly asking for more and better opponents and actually accepting a challenge like Miller when he talks loud. Scott took a dive against Wilder, watch the fight for yourself.

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

Tony1244 wrote:Washington is a far better opponent than Arreola at this stage of the game.

maybe, but wilder's overall career management
speaks volumes and the only silverlining of heart
was the povetkin contract.

montrealsuper wrote:- Don King even said later that Stiverne "transferred" the belt to Wilder like a business transaction -

first time i see don king mentioned as a
credible reference.

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

IMHO both don't deserve a shot at the
WBC title.

man wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

IMHO both don't deserve a shot at the
WBC title.

I agree, but if Wilder doesn't dare to fight better competition...

But I agree, I see Povetkin as the real WBC champion.
I hope AJ fights Povetkin first before Wilder.

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

Wilder tried to make the Hughie fight. Hughie had the option for Parker or Wilder, he picked Parker.

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:I think Wilder is more of a champion than Joseph Parker is. Hughie Fury gets a title shot because he is Tyson Fury's cousin and because he beat a mediocre boxer for the WBO Intercontinental title. Compare the resumes of Wilder and Parker. Also, Gerald Washington is better than Hughie Fury.

Nope, Hughie is better than Washington.

Based on what? Being related to Tyson Fury does not mean Hughie has the same boxing skills as Tyson Fury. Washington is rated No. 20 by boxrec. Hughie Fury is rated No. 28. The IBO rates Washington at No. 21 and Fury at No. 34. I watched both of them fight and I think Washington is better.

I recall that Ruiz was rated about the same on boxrec as where Fury is before he fought Parker. There is a big difference though because Ruiz was considered to be a top 10 heavyweight by Ring Magazine before fighting Parker and he still is in their top 10 and he is now rated No. 14 by boxrec after losing a close decision to Parker. Hughie Fury is not a top 10 or 15 heavyweight. Parker is 25 years old. He's in his prime. Hughie is 22 years old. His best win was against Andriy Rudenko who has been on a seven fight win streak since losing to Fury in 2015 by UD, so Rudenko is a better boxer than he was back then.

asdfjkl wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:Stiverne is a better opponent than an overweight Andy Ruiz.

Wilder has a better resume than Ortiz. They both fought Malik Scott and Wilder won by KO in round one. Ortiz won by UD.

Nope, even an overweight Ruiz is far superior, also, Ortiz has a better resume then Wilder with his latest 3 fights and openly asking for more and better opponents and actually accepting a challenge like Miller when he talks loud. Scott took a dive against Wilder, watch the fight for yourself.

Let's look at Ortiz's last three fights: David Allen who is rated No. 117, Malik Scott who Ortiz and Wilder both fought, and Tony Thompson who is 45 years old. Here are Wilder's last three fights: Chris Arreola who is rated No. 54, Artur Szpilka who is inactive now, but has a 20-2 record and defeated Tomasz Adamek in 2014, and Johann Duhaupas who is rated No. 18. Sorry, but you lose that argument.

Stiverne was the WBC heavyweight champion. No one can take that accomplishment away from him even though he is not the champion now. Bear in mind that Stiverne is the only boxer to go the distance against Wilder. All of Wilder's other wins were by knockout. Also, Stiverne is rated No. 7 by Ring Magazine and Ruiz is rated No. 9. I don't agree with Ring's ratings all the time, but I met Stiverne in 2007 when he was Samuel Peter's sparring partner. He was expected to be a world champion someday and he was several years later.

Scott was hurt by a left hook to the head. I know the straight right from Wilder did not land, but that is the punch people focus on who think the fight was fixed.