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If I remember right, GGG didn't start hitting Brook to the body much until the 5th round, and then not even that much. He did enough though to cause Brook to almost stop punching. Spence is probably the best body puncher I have seen in quite some time, and it will show.

Brook is an excellent boxer no doubt, even with his lackluster resume. I love his combinations, and has pretty good footwork as well. He is very strong for the weight, but for the first time at welter will meet a guy with equal height, reach, and strength. Both guys cut from the 170's. (Everyone please stop with the pre-fight weight drained excuse) Spence also is very effective if a guy tries to clinch him, as Brook will find out. Even with Brook running, and in the UK, everything points to Spence stopping him in the 8th or 9th round....imo.

They're not the same age and that is huge in weight cutting. There is also a difference between cutting down to 160 and then cutting down to 47. Definite advantage for Spence.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:They're not the same age and that is huge in weight cutting. There is also a difference between cutting down to 160 and then cutting down to 47. Definite advantage for Spence.

Yup

I think they are about 3 yrs apart? Not a huge factor for cutting weight, when you are only 27 and 30. My point is, they both start at the same weight for the cut, 170's, and have had several months to make it. Its not like Brook is DLH's age, who had to cut to 147 for the first time in 8 years for Pacquiao, or someone like Hatton and Kirkland, who balooned up 40 pounds in between fights for Pacquiao and Canelo, and they were Brook's age. It is more of lack of discipline in Hatton and Kirkland's case, but it wasn't presented as a pre-exhisting excuse like we hear for Brook. Even though he had no where to go, I still give him credit for taking the fight.

I agree with Spence. If Brook can't make the weight comfortably, he should move up. If you stay at 147, shut up and fight. One other thing I hear and laugh about is all the weight training and muscle building Brook did for the GGG fight. He signed to fight around the beginning of August for a mid September fight? Some people don't have a clue how long it takes to put pounds of muscle on. Simply put, he didn't have time.

Right around 30 your body naturally gains some weight. Most people are clueless to weight cutting, count yourself among them. I was called a fool on a very active website for picking PAC when the dlh fight was announced and most said he looked great at the weigh in. One most certainly doesn't have to have boxed to be knowledgeable about the game. Seems you do have to have cut weight before to understand it.

boxing_rocks wrote:If Brook decides to fight like he fought Golovkin, he gets stopped, but he could fight the same way he fought Porter and last 12 rounds.

...and win...supported by judges....

No. Either way, the UK and USA are like the old Germany and Italian corrupted cards. Since the fight is between combatants from both corrupt entities, who cares?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Right around 30 your body naturally gains some weight. Most people are clueless to weight cutting, count yourself among them. I was called a fool on a very active website for picking PAC when the dlh fight was announced and most said he looked great at the weigh in. One most certainly doesn't have to have boxed to be knowledgeable about the game. Seems you do have to have cut weight before to understand it.

I'll admit I don't know much about weight cutting when you are 30-on, but teens and early 20's I cut weight plenty of times. I know all about body fat % and what is safe and what % is not smart. I could lose an average of 7 lbs per day with a hard workout, water weight. I don't think too many out there know first hand what a weight cut is like once you hit 30. I'm just saying between 27 and 30 is not a huge advantage if you are smart with nutrition and don't balloon up between fights.

DLH looked like a damn ghost according to Freddie Roach the day of the weigh in, and couldn't even run a full lap at the gym without stopping. Roach said he even ignored an illegal IV because DLH was so dehydrated. Valero kicked DLH's ass in sparring I heard, so no surprise to me of the result. I thought Pac was giving way too much credit for it though. Pac, at the time was highly suspect of PEDs for his refusal for any random testing.

27 to 30 and coming back down from middle is significant. No doubt about it. With your prior experience I'm shocked you don't realize that.

I'm not getting into all the judging malarkey I don't care what they think we'll be the judge of the outcome on here thanks very much.

The match up is nice I like it, Spence is finally taking a step up bout which is good.
Spence looks small to me but he's very quick and likely a bit underestimated in that field, Brook will have to plan for that.
Brook himself is coming off a beating at the hands of GGG I hope he's not suffered any effects from that, nevertheless though Kell took a massive risk and certainly deserves respect for doing so.
Off the top of my head I see Brook as more of an inside fighter and Spence as an outside fighter so the tone of the fight could determine the winner, home field for Brook is sure to be an advantage but sometimes that can also fire up a travelling opponent but Brook has an edge there.
No doubt the usual stateside U.S.A v UK rivalry is going to heat up like it always does and I can't wait to read the banter going back and forth let the games begin

Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

Fair question here Saad and I don't mean to be a fire starter but why wouldn't Brook want to be inside against Spence when right off the bat he went inside against GGG who's a Middleweight ?

Evander wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

Fair question here Saad and I don't mean to be a fire starter but why wouldn't Brook want to be inside against Spence when right off the bat he went inside against GGG who's a Middleweight ?

I think Spence is a better infighter than brook.I suspect Brooks team knows it. Standing your ground isn't infighting. Brook didn't lock up in tight with ggg and I don't think he will with Errol either. We'll see.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:We'll see, the weight cut and Errol's body work should be a nightmare on his legs. I'm shocked Kell is going back down..

Fair enough. I am really looking forward to it, should be a goos fight. Two elite-class fighters.

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:We'll see, the weight cut and Errol's body work should be a nightmare on his legs. I'm shocked Kell is going back down..

Fair enough. I am really looking forward to it, should be a goos fight. Two elite-class fighters.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

He will grab and hold on the inside same as he did against porter

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

He will grab and hold on the inside same as he did against porter

I just can't see Spence allowing Brook to hold him like he did Porter. He fights his way out of a clinch better than most I have seen. His style is totally different than Porters also. Porter's bull rush in I think caused Brook to hold more than normal.

Badhusker wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Spence is huge for welter. Can't agree that brook would want to be inside, Errol's body punching is brutal.

He will grab and hold on the inside same as he did against porter

I just can't see Spence allowing Brook to hold him like he did Porter. He fights his way out of a clinch better than most I have seen. His style is totally different than Porters also. Porter's bull rush in I think caused Brook to hold more than normal.

yeah i agree, bull rush style leads to clinching, cause your opponent is always close to you.

i hope the fight doesnt go the distance, than nobody will argue the outcome.