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Crease wrote:

Tanzio wrote:That was right before that wet dream that woke you up

Take pause gentlemen, we have an intellectual titan in our midst...

awww shucks.

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:

littlepug wrote: its got to be about who he fought, i mean it HAS to !

Yeah, It's partly about that. So how many fights does AJ have??? It's still in the teens -- and he's already fought his way to a World Heavyweight Title Fight. He beat an undefeated Heavyweight Champion. He beat an undefeated challenger. Now he fighting a legendary boxer-puncher who has 68 pro fights and a Olympic Gold Medal in the Heavyweight Division. It'll be 2 Olympic Heavyweight Champions in front of 90,000 screaming Brits. Ali never did anything like that. When Frazier went up against his first Olympic Heavyweight Gold Medal winner -- how did he perform??? Like a basketball with ears.

He fought a weak title challenger given a title a because another weak title challenger bust his knee, that title had about as much weight as Charlie Zelenoff's, then beat somone who should have lost his last two fights against noncontenders. And his Olympic gold medel was a gift to the UK for being such pleasant hosts.

If he beats Wlad, I'll give him credit. Until then he's done nothing.

Nothing but take up Boxing in his 20's... Wins a Gold Medal in the Olympics... Wins a World Heavyweight Championship in his 16th pro fight. Becomes the 3rd Heavyweight Champion in History to win all his fights by KO.. Becomes the 2nd Heavyweight Champion to score a 100% KO ratio through his 2nd Title Defense. Wins the Super Stars Competition.

THE TELEGRAPH --- “Olympian Anthony Joshua Crowned Champion of Superstars

Anthony Joshua powered away from the rest of the field in the opening sprint and never looked back. It turned out he wasn’t just a fast runner, he could swim, cycle and throw the javelin better than anyone else, too.”

Being a great athlete it doesn't mean you'll be a great boxer... But it helps to be big, tall, strong, and fast, even if Joe Frazier proved you don't have to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKDDTI36yE

Kalan wrote:

Jaywheel wrote:Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

I agree, and people put Golovkin in P4P lists for the same reason..

True enough

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:
Yeah, It's partly about that. So how many fights does AJ have??? It's still in the teens -- and he's already fought his way to a World Heavyweight Title Fight. He beat an undefeated Heavyweight Champion. He beat an undefeated challenger. Now he fighting a legendary boxer-puncher who has 68 pro fights and a Olympic Gold Medal in the Heavyweight Division. It'll be 2 Olympic Heavyweight Champions in front of 90,000 screaming Brits. Ali never did anything like that. When Frazier went up against his first Olympic Heavyweight Gold Medal winner -- how did he perform??? Like a basketball with ears.

He fought a weak title challenger given a title a because another weak title challenger bust his knee, that title had about as much weight as Charlie Zelenoff's, then beat somone who should have lost his last two fights against noncontenders. And his Olympic gold medel was a gift to the UK for being such pleasant hosts.

If he beats Wlad, I'll give him credit. Until then he's done nothing.

Nothing but take up Boxing in his 20's... Wins a Gold Medal in the Olympics... Wins a World Heavyweight Championship in his 16th pro fight. Becomes the 3rd Heavyweight Champion in History to win all his fights by KO.. Becomes the 2nd Heavyweight Champion to score a 100% KO ratio through his 2nd Title Defense. Wins the Super Stars Competition.

THE TELEGRAPH --- “Olympian Anthony Joshua Crowned Champion of Superstars

Anthony Joshua powered away from the rest of the field in the opening sprint and never looked back. It turned out he wasn’t just a fast runner, he could swim, cycle and throw the javelin better than anyone else, too.”

Being a great athlete it doesn't mean you'll be a great boxer... But it helps to be big, tall, strong, and fast, even if Joe Frazier proved you don't have to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKDDTI36yE

*Gifted a gold medal when he should have lost multiple fights*
*Wins a "title" from the worst "champion" in heavyweight history*
*Wins some pointless athletism contest*

Also he was 18 not in his 20's when h started, so that's wrong too.

Tanzio wrote:awww shucks.

Your shallow humour is matched only by your shallow wit.

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: He fought a weak title challenger given a title a because another weak title challenger bust his knee, that title had about as much weight as Charlie Zelenoff's, then beat somone who should have lost his last two fights against noncontenders. And his Olympic gold medel was a gift to the UK for being such pleasant hosts.

If he beats Wlad, I'll give him credit. Until then he's done nothing.

Nothing but take up Boxing in his 20's... Wins a Gold Medal in the Olympics... Wins a World Heavyweight Championship in his 16th pro fight. Becomes the 3rd Heavyweight Champion in History to win all his fights by KO.. Becomes the 2nd Heavyweight Champion to score a 100% KO ratio through his 2nd Title Defense. Wins the Super Stars Competition.

THE TELEGRAPH --- “Olympian Anthony Joshua Crowned Champion of Superstars

Anthony Joshua powered away from the rest of the field in the opening sprint and never looked back. It turned out he wasn’t just a fast runner, he could swim, cycle and throw the javelin better than anyone else, too.”

Being a great athlete it doesn't mean you'll be a great boxer... But it helps to be big, tall, strong, and fast, even if Joe Frazier proved you don't have to be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKDDTI36yE

*Gifted a gold medal when he should have lost multiple fights*
*Wins a "title" from the worst "champion" in heavyweight history*
*Wins some pointless athletism contest*

Also he was 18 not in his 20's when h started, so that's wrong too.

Okay... I guess that's what Joshua meant when he said he didn't start boxing until he was an adult... But AJ legitimately won his Olympic Gold Medal.. And Charles Martin wasn't the worst Heavyweight Champion by a long shot.. Had to be Michael Bentt...who was so atrocious Herbie Hide nearly killed him.

Please tell me who should be considered as all time greats and what they did in their first 15-20 fights.

asdfjkl wrote:Please tell me who should be considered as all time greats and what they did in their first 15-20 fights.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9022
He managed it.

BitPlayer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Please tell me who should be considered as all time greats and what they did in their first 15-20 fights.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9022
He managed it.

If you compare his results to AJ's, then AJ is obviously better isn't he?

Kalan wrote:Okay... I guess that's what Joshua meant when he said he didn't start boxing until he was an adult... But AJ legitimately won his Olympic Gold Medal.. And Charles Martin wasn't the worst Heavyweight Champion by a long shot.. Had to be Michael Bentt...who was so atrocious Herbie Hide nearly killed him.

No he didn't, he got multiple gift decisions, that's not legit. If the only one you can come up with that might be worse is a WBO titlist from the early 90's you're proving just how worthless Joshua's title is. And atleast Bentt got a legit win against Morrison, more than Martin has ever done.

asdfjkl wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Please tell me who should be considered as all time greats and what they did in their first 15-20 fights.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/9022
He managed it.

If you compare his results to AJ's, then AJ is obviously better isn't he?

Well Jeffries pretty much cleaned out the division, but a legit world champ and a former world champ. Joshua has fought no halfway top level opponents.

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:Okay... I guess that's what Joshua meant when he said he didn't start boxing until he was an adult... But AJ legitimately won his Olympic Gold Medal.. And Charles Martin wasn't the worst Heavyweight Champion by a long shot.. Had to be Michael Bentt...who was so atrocious Herbie Hide nearly killed him.

No he didn't, he got multiple gift decisions, that's not legit. If the only one you can come up with that might be worse is a WBO titlist from the early 90's you're proving just how worthless Joshua's title is. And atleast Bentt got a legit win against Morrison, more than Martin has ever done.

asdfjkl wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: http://boxrec.com/boxer/9022
He managed it.

If you compare his results to AJ's, then AJ is obviously better isn't he?

Well Jeffries pretty much cleaned out the division, but a legit world champ and a former world champ. Joshua has fought no halfway top level opponents.

Michael Bentt is just the worst ever... Also very bad were Morrison, Hide, Seldon, Leon Spinks, and a bunch of others... Martin was undefeated and so was his title opponent---who blew out a knee, but Martin was going to beat him anyway... Johnson, Louis, Dempsey, and many other great champions didn't beat ATG's to win their titles.. They beat the guy who was there by accident.. If Joshua beats Klitschko, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury, Haye, Povetkin, Parker and the other top Heavyweights he'll be the most famed and richest Heavyweight yet.. With his tremendous skills, he has a fair chance to do that.

punchoutsb wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Not to mention a Kevin Johnson who was still so in his prime he thought about throwing a punch and could almost hold his gaurd up.

Great point! Kevin Johnson was bigger and therefore better than Joe Frazier. He had a win over Julius Long who would have dwarfed George Foreman, beat Albert Sosnowski who was bigger and had more fights than Rocky Marciano, and actually fought to a draw against Timur Ibragimov in just his fourth fight--I don't know if you know this but Timur was related to a future Heavyweight champion so genetically he is on par with Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and the like...only bigger! If you add up the wins of all the opponents he beat, they are more than Gene Tunney or Jack Johnson had in their entire careers--no joke! He also stopped Harrold Sconier in one, the same Sconiers who dropped Deontay Wilder (who was bigger, stronger, faster, and more elusive than Muhammad Ali).

According to these irrefutable facts AJ's win over KJ is probably the single best win in boxing history.

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:Okay... I guess that's what Joshua meant when he said he didn't start boxing until he was an adult... But AJ legitimately won his Olympic Gold Medal.. And Charles Martin wasn't the worst Heavyweight Champion by a long shot.. Had to be Michael Bentt...who was so atrocious Herbie Hide nearly killed him.

No he didn't, he got multiple gift decisions, that's not legit. If the only one you can come up with that might be worse is a WBO titlist from the early 90's you're proving just how worthless Joshua's title is. And atleast Bentt got a legit win against Morrison, more than Martin has ever done.

asdfjkl wrote: If you compare his results to AJ's, then AJ is obviously better isn't he?

Well Jeffries pretty much cleaned out the division, but a legit world champ and a former world champ. Joshua has fought no halfway top level opponents.

Michael Bentt is just the worst ever... Also very bad were Morrison, Hide, Seldon, Leon Spinks, and a bunch of others... Martin was undefeated and so was his title opponent---who blew out a knee, but Martin was going to beat him anyway... Johnson, Louis, Dempsey, and many other great champions didn't beat ATG's to win their titles.. They beat the guy who was there by accident.. If Joshua beats Klitschko, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury, Haye, Povetkin, Parker and the other top Heavyweights he'll be the most famed and richest Heavyweight yet.. With his tremendous skills, he has a fair chance to do that.

Charles Martin is the worst heavyweight titlist ever. Once again, you're wrong.

You're wrong.. Little, soft punching Herbie Hide dominated and damned near killed Michael Bentt...who was the worst of the worst.. At least Martin isn't that easy to hit by a little short dude like Hide.. Vitali Klitschko took Hide out in 2 rounds without even breathing hard.. Hide was quick, but had nothing else going.

Kalan wrote:You're wrong.. Little, soft punching Herbie Hide dominated and damned near killed Michael Bentt...who was the worst of the worst.. At least Martin isn't that easy to hit by a little short dude like Hide.. Vitali Klitschko took Hide out in 2 rounds without even breathing hard.. Hide was quick, but had nothing else going.

I doubt Martin would even last that long against Vitali.

Kalan wrote:You're wrong.. Little, soft punching Herbie Hide dominated and damned near killed Michael Bentt...who was the worst of the worst.. At least Martin isn't that easy to hit by a little short dude like Hide.. Vitali Klitschko took Hide out in 2 rounds without even breathing hard.. Hide was quick, but had nothing else going.

I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me or what, but you can't since I value the sound of my dog farting over your opinion on sports

Charles Martin is the worst of the worst, the Kalan of HW "champions" so to speak.

OK... You're a So you’re a connoisseur and enthusiast of farts of all kinds… That’s a little weird, but to each his own… You probably wrap your lips around the anus before your partner lets one rip… There are very weird people in the world and you’re one of them.

Your predilection doesn’t shock me as much as Michael Bentt getting out-boxed and outpunched by a million miles -- by as mediocre a Heavyweight Champion as Herbie Hide. Hide certainly wouldn’t do that to 6’5” X 245 southpaw, Charles Martin.

Kalan wrote:OK... You're a So you’re a connoisseur and enthusiast of farts of all kinds… That’s a little weird, but to each his own… You probably wrap your lips around the anus before your partner lets one rip… There are very weird people in the world and you’re one of them.

Your predilection doesn’t shock me as much as Michael Bentt getting out-boxed and outpunched by a million miles -- by as mediocre a Heavyweight Champion as Herbie Hide. Hide certainly wouldn’t do that to 6’5” X 245 southpaw, Charles Martin.

I'm having trouble making sense of your mangled first sentence but it appears to be some odd fantasy you're creating about me to go along with all your other fantasies about you and Wilt in the shower or you rubbing down AJ after he wins a Superstars competition. But unfortunately for you, no, I simply know that my dogs fart contains little to no shite, which is much more than can be said for your mouth each time you open it

Of course Joshua cannot be regarded as an ATG, mind you it seems to me he hasn't made a bad start along that road. It's pretty hard to rubbish his progress thus far unless you are just a hater. The man clearly has speed, power, good technique, he's a ruthless finisher. Against that he can look a little stiff but that is a downside of his physique, lacks experience but is working on that the best way possible. We don't know how he's going to react to getting hit really hard but it's possible we'll still be saying that after the Klitchko fight.

On top of that I like the fact that he doesn't trash talk (much), treats opponents with respect (except you Dylian). yet doesn't have that loser mentality that so often goes with being a nice guy.

I can see a future fight with Wilder being a carbon copy of the Martin fight in which case I expect some people will be saying "So what has he done except knock out a geriatric Klitchko, ancient and past it Ortiz, and a vastly overrated Wilder - what's going to happen when someone hits him flush with their sunday-punch?"

p.s. To you Crease: Don't you know when you've put your man on the floor, you're supposed to stop punching?

Not sure if aj will ever be an atg

You can only beat who is out in front of you. He's smashed them all to be fair.

He actually took care of Whyte fairly easily once he settled down. Whyte is the equal of Chisora who is considered to be top 25 by most people.

Unfortunately with Wlad being old, we might not find out too much in his next one either but it could end up looking brilliant in his record.

Wlad could be the real breakout fight and Wilder the one that consolidates his position. I think Joshua can beat every active heavyweight right now.

Oiky wrote:Not sure if aj will ever be an atg

It's difficult to predict right now, but say he beats Wlad, Wilder, Fury, Parker and a few of Povetkin, Pulev and the likes, his record will look pretty tasty.

There's some decent talent coming through too, which could provide future potential dangers and possible conquerors too.

DannyMCR wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Jaywheel wrote:Where do I start? Ok lets see he crushed

1.) Matt Skelton

2.) Michael Sprott

3.) Gary Cornish (undefeated, best feat ever)

4.) Charles Martin (undefeated, legitimate champ, now that's best feat ever)

5.) Dominic Brazil (another undefeated Wow )

Drop the first 2 names.. and you forgot Dillian Whyte ... He was undefeated as well -- and a better performer than the above undefeated guy..

And that's a better lineup than having Light Heavyweight Doug Jones and 185-pound Henry Cooper (both of whom suffered multiple losses before they punched Ali with really nice shots) as your last opponents before heading into a big fight with an aging legend... We won't talk about Eric Molina.

People rip Joshua for whatever reasons... but it's not who he fought so much, but how easily he destroyed these guys.

I agree, and people put Golovkin in P4P lists for the same reason..

Look at you jackasses comparing Joshua to GGG. Please. Why can't you just let this kid Joshua settle into in whatever place in history he is going to have? He hasn't had any fights nearly as difficult as GGG has. Jackasses.

Crease wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim Wilder was an ATG, most I see here are crapping on him.

That's not my experience of this place. I've heard guys compare Wilder to a prime Mike Tyson and whatnot...

Let's return to this ridiculous post, which was made in defense of your ridiculous post claiming Americans think Wilder is an ATG.

While there may be one or two people (who are clear trolls) on the entire forum who have made the claims you accused a whole nation of making, you clearly pulled your posts wholey from your most muddy cavity. Of course, when called out on your completely ludicrous claim, you distract everyone from the evidence and engage in personal, unrelated attacks.

Your "experience of this place" is mighty limited. The vast majority of the entire board, including Americans, eviscerates Wilder consistently. It has become so onesided that a few of us have been influenced to root for him, just to witness the wails and gnashing of teeth.

Now don't forget your melatonin before being tucked in for your next wetdream about Wilder.