Worst arguments

[Kalan]

Foreman could have done quite well against Michael Grant or Andrew Golota, who were big guys... He did't do well versus a jab... Which prime K Bros had.

[Kalan]

Look at you....talkin' about the size of the fight in the dog.

You're comin' round!

Look at you... Still focused on size... And still traipsing through tulips in the moonlight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The worst these days is that modern fighters have better training. Many clowns perpetuate this myth despite Heavyweights 40 years ago fighting at a faster pace than Jr Lightweights now.

[Kalan]

Jimmy Young and Ossie Ocasio didn't fight at a hard pace.. And the clinching and wrestling was terrific... Vasyl Lomachenko fights at Jr Lightweight and puts them to shame... The number of punches he threw versus Gary Russell was astonishing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're just an excited child. I'm a grown man young kalan.

[evrenb]

Jimmy Young and Ossie Ocasio didn't fight at a hard pace.. And the clinching and wrestling was terrific... Vasyl Lomachenko fights at Jr Lightweight and puts them to shame... The number of punches he threw versus Gary Russell was astonishing.

Is this the Cruiserweight, 74 inch reached , 5ft 11 'tiny' Ocasio that fought a close with Lennox Lewis, 10 years past his prime ??

[evrenb]

Not an excuse...you only create excuses to satisfy your and Kalan (same person) arguments.

[Tony1244]

Another fantasist.

Never mind their worse performances, take the best performances of Johnson, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Foreman or Frazier, and tell us how that equates to them being able to do the same or better against Lewis, or a Klitchko brother.

You will notice I haven't put Ali in there because I am quite happy in the knowledge he beats EVERY Heavyweight who EVER lived, no matter how big, strong,powerful or fast they were.

A guy like Marciano may make a top 10 all time HW list. Does that mean he could have beaten LL or a Klitschko in his 185 LBS frame? Almost certainly not. A lot of people would say Marciano would be more like 220 LBS today or their measuring the talent pound for pound. Unquestionably athletes are bigger, stronger, faster than they were in yesteryear. On things that be preciously measured such as the mile run, it is easy to see.

But when doing all time lists, I think most people measure how great someone was for their time. Babe Ruth would have to be a top 10 all time hitter, but he was obviously facing a lower caliber of pitcher.

Styles make fights. An early 1970s Foreman may have done quite well against a Klitschko (especially Wlad's chin) or LL. Foreman was about 220.

I am only interested in h2h matches based on what I have seen of fighters as they fought in ther own era's. I simply can't take seriously people like Elmer who want to create mythical Louis' or Marciano's who suddenly weigh 230lbs. I have no doubt those guys could beat the Chisora's or the Valuev's just like they beat the big dollops they fought at the time. But when you get exceptionally good fighters like Lewis, or the K2 brothers who are also massive, it is beyond stupid to say Rocky or Joe beat them h2h.

I agree with the basic content of what golden oldie says here until he gets to "beyond stupid." I'm not a total idiot but believed bonecrusher going 12 with Tyson, Foreman winning the title back in his comeback or Bentt KOing Morrison would all be "beyond stupid," predictions, but they all happened. I'm somewhat of a political junkie and would have thought Obama and Trump winning the presidency was "beyond stupid" 2 years before said events occurred.

So it is not very brave to call someone "beyond stupid" for picking a fighter in a fight that could never happen, even though I agree that an 185 LBS Marciano beating LL is close to inconceivable. The problem is, as other pointed out, is not your content but your tone.

[Ambling Alp II]

His tone is bad, no question about it.
Often his content is horrible as well. Have you seen some of the comments he has made about Joe Louis? He makes assumptions and ignores any evidence to the contrary.

He is giving Kalan a serious run for his money.

[evrenb]

His tone is bad, no question about it.
Often his content is horrible as well. Have you seen some of the comments he has made about Joe Louis? He makes assumptions and ignores any evidence to the contrary.

He is giving Kalan a serious run for his money.

Same person

[davie]

His tone is bad, no question about it.
Often his content is horrible as well. Have you seen some of the comments he has made about Joe Louis? He makes assumptions and ignores any evidence to the contrary.

He is giving Kalan a serious run for his money.

Same person

Na, Kalan's argumentative and opinionated not abusive, the cheeky wee scamp is actually starting to grow on me.

Golden oldie is just a torn faced nasty auld fvck

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Kalan is a teenage nerd living vicariously through the internet. Once he gets his cherry popped, he may come around.

[Kalan]

Saad, you've got to be the dumbest and most biased jerk I've ever come across... You couldn't recognize a good fighter if he flat knocked you cold.

[BoxBuzz]

Not even after he woke up?

[Tony1244]

I am only interested in h2h matches based on what I have seen of fighters as they fought in ther own era's. I simply can't take seriously people like Elmer who want to create mythical Louis' or Marciano's who suddenly weigh 230lbs. I have no doubt those guys could beat the Chisora's or the Valuev's just like they beat the big dollops they fought at the time. But when you get exceptionally good fighters like Lewis, or the K2 brothers who are also massive, it is beyond stupid to say Rocky or Joe beat them h2h.

I agree with the basic content of what golden oldie says here until he gets to "beyond stupid." I'm not a total idiot but believed bonecrusher going 12 with Tyson, Foreman winning the title back in his comeback or Bentt KOing Morrison would all be "beyond stupid," predictions, but they all happened. I'm somewhat of a political junkie and would have thought Obama and Trump winning the presidency was "beyond stupid" 2 years before said events occurred.

So it is not very brave to call someone "beyond stupid" for picking a fighter in a fight that could never happen, even though I agree that an 185 LBS Marciano beating LL is close to inconceivable. The problem is, as other pointed out, is not your content but your tone.

I couldn't care less about anyone on here or what they perceive as my " tone " but I am very interested in why Obama winning the presidency would be considered as beyond stupid. Tell me is it because the guy is black?

Because that says more about the scum who might be offended by folks like me than it does about the issue. I have no problem with whoever Americans elect.

That said I do believe Donald Chump is a bigger joker than Tommy Cooper.

If your tone is the same in your personal life, you have some work to do. If it's completely different, you may ask yourself why you're taking out all this aggression on a keyboard, but to answer your question:

On Obama his being black is a small part of it. Anyone who thinks prejudice is a problem only of yesteryear, is badly mistaken. I mistakenly thought the first black president would be someone like Colin Powell. Of course you knew better because you're always right. Powell is a Republican, which somewhat gives balance to the stereotype that blacks are too liberal and he has an Anglican, not a Muslim sounding name. Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

Trump won because he was the first candidate to talk about jobs going overseas in a generation. He is a buffoon but he was smart to talk about that.

[BoxBuzz]

Look at you....talkin' about the size of the fight in the dog.

You're comin' round!

Are you saying Frazier's dog had lost its fight before the comparatively huge Foreman bounced him around the ring like a jack in the box? That was the perfect example of a good big one beating a good little one.

So....nothing at all to do with styles here? Just size?

Peralta was 20 pounds smaller....gave George fits. Well...not so much the second time.

I guess Peralta would have cleaned Fraziers Clock....based on these results.

[APerno]

Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

Interesting post - lost you on the Obama points: comparison to Lincoln is never a bad thing; everybody wins for some reason, those are good reasons to win, not bad ones.

[Tony1244]

Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

Interesting post - lost you on the Obama points: comparison to Lincoln is never a bad thing; everybody wins for some reason, those are good reasons to win, not bad ones.

It wasn't meant as an insult to Obama. When he ran in 08 a lot of people were talking about his lack of experience in the senate. He hadn't completed his first term there. His defenders pointed out the fact that Lincoln didn't have that much experience either. I actually think Obama would have been more effective if he had waited and gotten more seasoning.

[Tony1244]

A classic rule of historical methodology: "Judge a man by the standards of his day." (If he was great in his day, he is 'great') -

Well said.

[APerno]

Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

Interesting post - lost you on the Obama points: comparison to Lincoln is never a bad thing; everybody wins for some reason, those are good reasons to win, not bad ones.

It wasn't meant as an insult to Obama. When he ran in 08 a lot of people were talking about his lack of experience in the senate. He hadn't completed his first term there. His defenders pointed out the fact that Lincoln didn't have that much experience either. I actually think Obama would have been more effective if he had waited and gotten more seasoning.

I understand now - I agree, they tried to play the 'celebrity card' but it wasn't enough - also agree, a more seasoned politician could have better handled the divided government he reined over. The situation called for Clinton's charm, or LBJ's 'closet full of skeletons'; or Reagan's popularity; or Nixon's . . . well, just about everything that goes with Nixon; Tricky Dick loved taking on Congress

[Kalan]

I mistakenly thought the first black president would be someone like Colin Powell. Of course you knew better because you're always right. Powell is a Republican, which somewhat gives balance to the stereotype that blacks are too liberal and he has an Anglican, not a Muslim sounding name. Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

a more seasoned politician could have better handled the divided government he reined over. The situation called for Clinton's charm, or LBJ's 'closet full of skeletons'; or Reagan's popularity; or Nixon's . . . well, just about everything that goes with Nixon; Tricky Dick loved taking on Congress

I’m as fiscally conservative as you can get. Most Republicans are liberal spenders in a reckless borrow-n-spend mode. That includes Colin Powell. If you spend money on foolish wars and put America deeply into debt you’re being a liberal with taxpayer’s money. If you push through a prescription drug bill that’s NOT paid for, and is written by the Pharmaceutical Industry, like Dubya did -- I consider you a liberal spendthrift with taxpayers’ money. If you appoint Wall Street insiders to the SEC, who allow investment bankers to do anything they please—so major financial institutions inevitably fail—and have to be bailed out by trillions of dollars from American taxpayers money – I consider you a liberal spender.. If you want to gut Dodd-Frank, I consider you a crook.

Colin Powell is the man who gave the phony and duplicitous speech about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to push the Iraq War on US taxpayers.. Reagan and Bush Sr. are the men who pushed up annual deficit spending by 1500%, from 25 Billion to 390 Billion a year.. Bill Clinton was our greatest president.. He not only created 23 million jobs—he finessed Kosovo without American ground troops and handed Dubya Bush an annual budget SURPLUS of 275 Billion. Dubya Bush dumped America into 2 recessions including The Great Recession and left an annual budget deficit for President Obama of 1.6 TRILLON.. Dubya was out worst president since Herbert Hoover by far.. Obama brought our annual taxpayer deficit down by over 80% in 8 years.. He also led America into NO additional recessions.. He handled the economy brilliantly if you consider the fact he had to deal with crooks in congress who didn’t want to cooperate or cut unnecessary weapon systems the Pentagon DIDN’T WANT and NEVER ASKED FOR.. Obama did a great job for American taxpayers like you and me.

Trump I feel certain will lead America into unprecedented economic, political, and international catastrophes... The White House is no place for an idiot – and Nixon, Reagan, HW Bush, and Dubya Bush proved that beyond dispute.. Trump was watching an interview on Fox News last week.. He somehow derived from the conversation that Sweden suffered a major terrorist attack last week.. Everybody in Sweden and even Republicans were confused about Trump’s seeming confusion and lack of intelligence.

Trump’s another Dubya,.. I’m telling you, our economy is in for massive problems. Most countries we're competing with aren't run by fools.

[BoxBuzz]

Chill out with all that Pollyanna optimism.

[ElJefe]

You have to "take" the title from the champion

x2. Can't stand this one.

[Kalan]

Chill out with all that Pollyanna optimism.

You're Pollyanna -- traipsing through the moonbeams as usual -- you have no clue how hard it is for an economy to operate well, while hauling around our present debt load. This didn't happen overnight. We started sliding into debt a mile a minute with Reagan and we can't afford another economic crisis anytime soon.

[Tony1244]

I mistakenly thought the first black president would be someone like Colin Powell. Of course you knew better because you're always right. Powell is a Republican, which somewhat gives balance to the stereotype that blacks are too liberal and he has an Anglican, not a Muslim sounding name. Also, Obama was the least experienced president since Lincoln. Obama won because of the economic crisis and Sarah Palin.

a more seasoned politician could have better handled the divided government he reined over. The situation called for Clinton's charm, or LBJ's 'closet full of skeletons'; or Reagan's popularity; or Nixon's . . . well, just about everything that goes with Nixon; Tricky Dick loved taking on Congress

I’m as fiscally conservative as you can get. Most Republicans are liberal spenders in a reckless borrow-n-spend mode. That includes Colin Powell. If you spend money on foolish wars and put America deeply into debt you’re being a liberal with taxpayer’s money. If you push through a prescription drug bill that’s NOT paid for, and is written by the Pharmaceutical Industry, like Dubya did -- I consider you a liberal spendthrift with taxpayers’ money. If you appoint Wall Street insiders to the SEC, who allow investment bankers to do anything they please—so major financial institutions inevitably fail—and have to be bailed out by trillions of dollars from American taxpayers money – I consider you a liberal spender.. If you want to gut Dodd-Frank, I consider you a crook.

Colin Powell is the man who gave the phony and duplicitous speech about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to push the Iraq War on US taxpayers.. Reagan and Bush Sr. are the men who pushed up annual deficit spending by 1500%, from 25 Billion to 390 Billion a year.. Bill Clinton was our greatest president.. He not only created 23 million jobs—he finessed Kosovo without American ground troops and handed Dubya Bush an annual budget SURPLUS of 275 Billion. Dubya Bush dumped America into 2 recessions including The Great Recession and left an annual budget deficit for President Obama of 1.6 TRILLON.. Dubya was out worst president since Herbert Hoover by far.. Obama brought our annual taxpayer deficit down by over 80% in 8 years.. He also led America into NO additional recessions.. He handled the economy brilliantly if you consider the fact he had to deal with crooks in congress who didn’t want to cooperate or cut unnecessary weapon systems the Pentagon DIDN’T WANT and NEVER ASKED FOR.. Obama did a great job for American taxpayers like you and me.

Trump I feel certain will lead America into unprecedented economic, political, and international catastrophes... The White House is no place for an idiot – and Nixon, Reagan, HW Bush, and Dubya Bush proved that beyond dispute.. Trump was watching an interview on Fox News last week.. He somehow derived from the conversation that Sweden suffered a major terrorist attack last week.. Everybody in Sweden and even Republicans were confused about Trump’s seeming confusion and lack of intelligence.

Trump’s another Dubya,.. I’m telling you, our economy is in for massive problems. Most countries we're competing with aren't run by fools.

I agree with quite a bit of this. Gutting Dodd/Frank and other regulations may sound conservative to the Rickys of the world, which is unfortunately the majority, but having less regulation is anything but conservative. With the regulations in place, corporations will likely grow, but at a slow steady conservative pace. Gut the regulations, and growth may go thru the roof, but the system might also collapse: see 2008. That's akin to buying a very risky stock which is anything but conservative.

It amazes me that Hillary didn't do a better job running on her husbands excellent record. it was as though everyone forgot the 1990s existed.