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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:The overpraising of Izuagbe Ugonoh around here was absolutely bizarre. Reminiscent of Boxrec posters raving over the palpably average Dominick Guinn, back when he was undefeated. Nothing Ugonoh did looked impressive, and yet he was being called by many a "beast" and other such names. Blown out in 5 by Dominic Breazeale last night. That should be the end of that.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Ugonoh looks ordinary. And if you have any sort of power you would stop a massive target like Julius Long, 13 years after Audley Harrison 1-shot KOd him. Why he has become the connoisseur's heavyweight-of-choice I have no idea.

He'd make an excellent draught excluder though.

Excellent

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:The overpraising of Izuagbe Ugonoh around here was absolutely bizarre. Reminiscent of Boxrec posters raving over the palpably average Dominick Guinn, back when he was undefeated. Nothing Ugonoh did looked impressive, and yet he was being called by many a "beast" and other such names. Blown out in 5 by Dominic Breazeale last night. That should be the end of that.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Ugonoh looks ordinary. And if you have any sort of power you would stop a massive target like Julius Long, 13 years after Audley Harrison 1-shot KOd him. Why he has become the connoisseur's heavyweight-of-choice I have no idea.

He'd make an excellent draught excluder though.

You are quite within your rights to take the rest of the day off after that one.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:The overpraising of Izuagbe Ugonoh around here was absolutely bizarre. Reminiscent of Boxrec posters raving over the palpably average Dominick Guinn, back when he was undefeated. Nothing Ugonoh did looked impressive, and yet he was being called by many a "beast" and other such names. Blown out in 5 by Dominic Breazeale last night. That should be the end of that.

He'd make an excellent draught excluder though.

You are quite within your rights to take the rest of the day off after that one.

Fortunately I'm not in the office today.

Made a bit of money on this fight.

Breazeale is a solid test for anyone wanting to get a world title. He's a solid fighter.

Izu gassed early and became easy to hit.
Doesn't seem big enough in the land of giants we have.
Breazeale nailed on to fight Wilder now after there hotel lobby brawl.

Wilder has been ordered to fight Stiverne.

samwbr wrote:Wilder has been ordered to fight Stiverne.

Nothing like a mass brawl to upset the status quo.

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:A bit on the small side, and not an intelligent boxer, but he's strong and small, a bit like Mike Tyson, except that Mike was a bit more determined.

Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:A bit on the small side, and not an intelligent boxer, but he's strong and small, a bit like Mike Tyson, except that Mike was a bit more determined.

Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

Never seen Michael Spinks fight then?

samwbr wrote:Wilder has been ordered to fight Stiverne.

Groan.

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:A bit on the small side, and not an intelligent boxer, but he's strong and small, a bit like Mike Tyson, except that Mike was a bit more determined.

Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

It's spelt OPPONENTS.

Do you understand, let me reiterate.

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IS THAT fornicating CLEAR ENOUGH YOU pudendum?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

It's spelt OPPONENTS.

Do you understand, let me reiterate.

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IS THAT effing CLEAR ENOUGH YOU pudendum?

That looks like something Bart Simpson would put on the blackboard on a simpsons intro.

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:A bit on the small side, and not an intelligent boxer, but he's strong and small, a bit like Mike Tyson, except that Mike was a bit more determined.

Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

I can't believe people like you actually exist.

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:A bit on the small side, and not an intelligent boxer, but he's strong and small, a bit like Mike Tyson, except that Mike was a bit more determined.

Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

Stop the world, I'm getting off.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Determination. Yep, that's the difference between them

Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

I can't believe people like you actually exist.

Mike Tyson was shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach and his KO rating was actually quite similar. The first guy with a higher boxrec rating as Breazeale that fought with Mike Tyson was Marvis Frazier, who was KOed in the first round by Larry Holmes 3 years earlier. He fought Mike after Mike had 25 fights. Larry Holmes had a boxrec rating of 807 in 1983, Mike Tyson had a boxrec rating of 201 in 1986 after those 25 fights.

So yes, Mike Tyson is a legend, since he was the youngest heavyweight titleholder in the history of the sport, but it's not like he was that kind of a superathlete at that time compared to nowadays top heavyweight boxers.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

I can't believe people like you actually exist.

Mike Tyson was shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach and his KO rating was actually quite similar. The first guy with a higher boxrec rating as Breazeale that fought with Mike Tyson was Marvis Frazier, who was KOed in the first round by Larry Holmes 3 years earlier. He fought Mike after Mike had 25 fights. Larry Holmes had a boxrec rating of 807 in 1983, Mike Tyson had a boxrec rating of 201 in 1986 after those 25 fights.

So yes, Mike Tyson is a legend, since he was the youngest heavyweight titleholder in the history of the sport, but it's not like he was that kind of a superathlete at that time compared to nowadays top heavyweight boxers.

"shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach," "KO rating" - you're better off judging the quality of boxers by watching them fight, rather than collating numbers like an anorak halfwit. This will stop you making faulty comparisons between gifted heavyweights like Mike Tyson and low skill mediocrities like Izuagbe Ugonoh and Dominic Breazeale.

Can't see the wood for the trees springs to mind.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yea, that's about it, Mike Tyson his opponends just weren't as good as the op contenders of nowadays.

I can't believe people like you actually exist.

Mike Tyson was shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach and his KO rating was actually quite similar. The first guy with a higher boxrec rating as Breazeale that fought with Mike Tyson was Marvis Frazier, who was KOed in the first round by Larry Holmes 3 years earlier. He fought Mike after Mike had 25 fights. Larry Holmes had a boxrec rating of 807 in 1983, Mike Tyson had a boxrec rating of 201 in 1986 after those 25 fights.

So yes, Mike Tyson is a legend, since he was the youngest heavyweight titleholder in the history of the sport, but it's not like he was that kind of a superathlete at that time compared to nowadays top heavyweight boxers.

You are a complete retard.

What super athletes are we talking about, outside of the Klitchsko's, most modern heavyweights are in terrible shape, and can't fight at a pace for more than a couple of rounds without gassing.

Tyson would have eaten alive the current crop. Trevor Berbick is better than anybody Wilder ever faced, even on his worst day.

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Fuckwit.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
I can't believe people like you actually exist.

Mike Tyson was shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach and his KO rating was actually quite similar. The first guy with a higher boxrec rating as Breazeale that fought with Mike Tyson was Marvis Frazier, who was KOed in the first round by Larry Holmes 3 years earlier. He fought Mike after Mike had 25 fights. Larry Holmes had a boxrec rating of 807 in 1983, Mike Tyson had a boxrec rating of 201 in 1986 after those 25 fights.

So yes, Mike Tyson is a legend, since he was the youngest heavyweight titleholder in the history of the sport, but it's not like he was that kind of a superathlete at that time compared to nowadays top heavyweight boxers.

You are a complete retard.

What super athletes are we talking about, outside of the Klitchsko's, most modern heavyweights are in terrible shape, and can't fight at a pace for more than a couple of rounds without gassing.

Tyson would have eaten alive the current crop. Trevor Berbick is better than anybody Wilder ever faced, even on his worst day.

Oh, by the way, it''s OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS .

Fuckwit.

Any rational person who saw a system that placed Mike Tyson and Dominic Breazeale anywhere near each other would immediately realise the system was defective and that it could be dismissed.

asdfjkl, curious fellow that he is, eschews critical thought, takes it as gospel and then begins preaching to us that Dominic 'Brassiere' is in some way superior to Mike Tyson.

Again, I can't believe people like him actually exist.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Mike Tyson was shorter, lighter, smaller, had less reach and his KO rating was actually quite similar. The first guy with a higher boxrec rating as Breazeale that fought with Mike Tyson was Marvis Frazier, who was KOed in the first round by Larry Holmes 3 years earlier. He fought Mike after Mike had 25 fights. Larry Holmes had a boxrec rating of 807 in 1983, Mike Tyson had a boxrec rating of 201 in 1986 after those 25 fights.

So yes, Mike Tyson is a legend, since he was the youngest heavyweight titleholder in the history of the sport, but it's not like he was that kind of a superathlete at that time compared to nowadays top heavyweight boxers.

You are a complete retard.

What super athletes are we talking about, outside of the Klitchsko's, most modern heavyweights are in terrible shape, and can't fight at a pace for more than a couple of rounds without gassing.

Tyson would have eaten alive the current crop. Trevor Berbick is better than anybody Wilder ever faced, even on his worst day.

Oh, by the way, it''s OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS .

Fuckwit.

Any rational person who saw a system that placed Mike Tyson and Dominic Breazeale anywhere near each other would immediately realise the system was defective and that it could be dismissed.

asdfjkl, curious fellow that he is, eschews critical thought, takes it as gospel and then begins preaching to us that Dominic 'Brassiere' is in some way superior to Mike Tyson.

Again, I can't believe people like him actually exist.

Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
You are a complete retard.

What super athletes are we talking about, outside of the Klitchsko's, most modern heavyweights are in terrible shape, and can't fight at a pace for more than a couple of rounds without gassing.

Tyson would have eaten alive the current crop. Trevor Berbick is better than anybody Wilder ever faced, even on his worst day.

Oh, by the way, it''s OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS OPPONENTS .

Fuckwit.

Any rational person who saw a system that placed Mike Tyson and Dominic Breazeale anywhere near each other would immediately realise the system was defective and that it could be dismissed.

asdfjkl, curious fellow that he is, eschews critical thought, takes it as gospel and then begins preaching to us that Dominic 'Brassiere' is in some way superior to Mike Tyson.

Again, I can't believe people like him actually exist.

Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

"Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them."

Once again critical thinking escapes you. You're counting Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams and Kevin McBride against Tyson, when he was 36, 38 and 39 respectively (and semi retired), and have also deducted his 2-round crushing of Andrew Golota (because he smoked a spliff and the local body scrubbed the result) in order to make your point stand up. In other words, it doesn't stand up.

Most people would have abandoned that hand without even showing the cards.

You think Ugonoh, because he is 230lb, and Breazeale, who at 267lb has a jiggling body and floppy tits, are better than Spinks, Tucker, Thomas, Tubbs, Ruddock, Holmes, Williams, Bruno, Tillis, Berbick and Bonecrusher, when empirically the reverse is so. How do you think Ugonoh fares in a spirited 80s-style 12 or 15 rounder? Given that he gassed in 3 the other night? Evidently, the current crop are not "developped in every single way." Skill and technique have in actual fact declined. Or, to use a word you must hear a lot, "retarded."

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
You are a complete retard.

What super athletes are we talking about, outside of the Klitchsko's, most modern heavyweights are in terrible shape, and can't fight at a pace for more than a couple of rounds without gassing.

Tyson would have eaten alive the current crop. Trevor Berbick is better than anybody Wilder ever faced, even on his worst day.

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Fuckwit.

Any rational person who saw a system that placed Mike Tyson and Dominic Breazeale anywhere near each other would immediately realise the system was defective and that it could be dismissed.

asdfjkl, curious fellow that he is, eschews critical thought, takes it as gospel and then begins preaching to us that Dominic 'Brassiere' is in some way superior to Mike Tyson.

Again, I can't believe people like him actually exist.

Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

The current time crop of heavyweights are in the main fat undisciplined slobs with poor cardiovascular and worse skills.

Holy field would have beaten every single heavyweight around today in his prime.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Any rational person who saw a system that placed Mike Tyson and Dominic Breazeale anywhere near each other would immediately realise the system was defective and that it could be dismissed.

asdfjkl, curious fellow that he is, eschews critical thought, takes it as gospel and then begins preaching to us that Dominic 'Brassiere' is in some way superior to Mike Tyson.

Again, I can't believe people like him actually exist.

Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

The current time crop of heavyweights are in the main fat undisciplined slobs with poor cardiovascular and worse skills.

Holy field would have beaten every single heavyweight around today in his prime.

Holyfield vs AJ wouldn't have been much different as Daffy Duck vs Klitschko (who was 36 or so if I remember it correct). And yes, when you're smallr it's more easy to havegood technic skills, but it still doesn't make much of a difference. Holyfield vs Lewis also showed that.

He was hyped? News to me. I'd basically never heard of the guy until like a month ago.

gilgamesh wrote:He was hyped? News to me. I'd basically never heard of the guy until like a month ago.

He allays fought on the undercard of Parker.
He's a bit like Tyrone Spong.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

The current time crop of heavyweights are in the main fat undisciplined slobs with poor cardiovascular and worse skills.

Holy field would have beaten every single heavyweight around today in his prime.

Holyfield vs AJ wouldn't have been much different as Daffy Duck vs Klitschko (who was 36 or so if I remember it correct). And yes, when you're smallr it's more easy to havegood technic skills, but it still doesn't make much of a difference. Holyfield vs Lewis also showed that.

Lewis is one of the best heavyweights of all time, and Holyfield was already past his prime. Holyfield gave a good account of himself in both fights. Holyfield beat Bowe in his prime, and gave away 40 pounds.

AJ hasn't beaten ANYONE of note to date.

You are a moron.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Mike Tyson fought 15 boxers above 230 pounds and actually only won 10 of them.
Out of the current op 50 boxrec heavyweights there are only two boxers who never had a weight of 230 pounds or more.
Mike Tyson even fought 5 guys that wouldn't even be considered as heavyweights at all nowadays.

You can't compare that era of time to nowadays, the boxers developped in every single way, weight and size is one of them.

The current time crop of heavyweights are in the main fat undisciplined slobs with poor cardiovascular and worse skills.

Holy field would have beaten every single heavyweight around today in his prime.

Holyfield vs AJ wouldn't have been much different as Daffy Duck vs Klitschko (who was 36 or so if I remember it correct). And yes, when you're smallr it's more easy to havegood technic skills, but it still doesn't make much of a difference. Holyfield vs Lewis also showed that.

Unless you are talking about current 54 year old Holyfield, this is silly. Holyfield, while originally a cruiserweight, is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, Haye is daffy, and Joshua hasn't shown he could hold a candle to that Wlad yet. Hell Holyfield was still a respectably heavyweight well into his 40's, Valuev struggled to beat a 46 year old Holyfield, right before Haye scraped through Valuev.