The BANTAMWEIGHT game: *GAME CLOSED*

[Seamus]

4 guys have listed Veeraphol Sahaprom now

[davie]

4 guys have listed Veeraphol Sahaprom now

Davie's a trendsetter

[Tomasino]

4 guys have listed Veeraphol Sahaprom now

Davie's a trendsetter

I just like Veeraphol although I was nearly not going to have him in. I did want to change my bottom two.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- The first law of boxing forums dictates that the shorter in size these fighters shrink, the shorter the forum squawkings of distress unless you are of a nationality where these fighters predominate. In which case buckets of blood flow.

And again, I prefer to recognize the full spectrum of time as much as possible understanding that I will by nature gravitate to those fighters I know best nearest to my era. I always check out the IBRO rankings for my reference point, yet must note they really dropped the ball with their bantys by including some great ancient names more noted for feather accomplishments as they ignored some great modern names who fought the greater fights in the banty division.

1. Eder Jofre, The Golden Bantam...on par with SRRobinson in their day.
2. Ruben Olivares-Remember the talk about him being the greatest in his day.
3. Panama Al Brown-Great name, great fighter.
4. Jimmy Barry-Little Tiger very underrated and forgotten, but not on this list.
5. Khaosai Galaxy-Out of this world fighter, 47-1, 41 KO with sole loss as a novice, thus undefeated as champion. 4 of my first 5 were never knocked out.

6. Orlando Canizales- Laredo's best ever? 17-0 banty title record, fought everywhere, impossible to beat in his full pomp.
7. Veeraphol Sahaprom- Fought everywhere, one of the best fighting Thais ever.
8. Rafael Marquez-By far the best pure boxer of the brothers. Had he his bro's chin, perhaps the best ever banty would have been in the cards, but #10 ain't shabby.
9. Fighting Harada- another great name, great fighter
10. Lionel Rose-Big Rose fan here. Beating Fighting Harada in Japan as good as it gets and only dethroned by an undefeated great, Olivares. Overcame some of the hardest obstacles in boxing history because of his Aborigine heritage. Yeah, blew up in weight and discipline to hang on too long, and so what?

Toshiaki Nishioka-honorable mention for a honorable fighter who fought monster Sahaprom 4X and in the mix for a long time. KOed in his first pro bout and his last against HOFer Donaire, but n'er tween those two could another fighter ever get to him.

[Crease]

The last day is here...

[Crease]

With 12 of our Members having voted, our scoreboard looks like this:

CURRENT Scoreboard: (12 Members have voted)

1st - 115 pts Eder Jofre
2nd - 85 pts Panama Al Brown
3rd - 84 pts Ruben Olivares
4th - 78 pts Carlos Zarate
5th - 47 pts Manuel Ortiz
6th - 45 pts Fighting Harada
7th - 36 pts Terry McGovern
8th - 32 pts Orlando Canizales
9th - 19 pts Rafael Herrera
Tied 10th - 17 pts George Dixon
Tied 10th - 17 pts Veeraphol Sahaprom

12th - 15 pts Pete Herman
13th - 10 pts Jimmy Barry
14th - 9 pts Khaosai Galaxy
15th - 8 pts Rafael Marquez
Tied 16th - 6 pts Jeff Chandler
Tied 16th - 6 pts Kid Williams
18th - 5 pts Chucho Castillo
19th - 4 pts Rodolfo Martinez
Tied 20th - 3 pts Alfonso Zamora
Tied 20th - 3 pts Joe Lynch

Tied 22nd - 2 pts Sixto Escobar
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Lupe Pintor
Tied 24th - 1 pt Jose Becerra
Tied 24th - 1 pt Lionel Rose

We did have 18 Members who voted in our previous thread (Featherweights)...
So now that the update is fully complete, perhaps the other six will venture their opinions before the closure of this thread in about 24 hours or so...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

1. Jofre
2. Olivares
3. manuel Ortiz
4. Harada
5. Zarate
6. Herman
7. Chandler
8. Marquez
9. Herrera
10. Memphis Moore

[Crease]

ten votes

Thank you for your votes, Mr Saad. And so our current scoreboard looks like this:

CURRENT Scoreboard: (13 Members have voted)

1st - 125 pts Eder Jofre
2nd - 93 pts Ruben Olivares
3rd - 85 pts Panama Al Brown
4th - 84 pts Carlos Zarate
5th - 55 pts Manuel Ortiz
6th - 52 pts Fighting Harada
7th - 36 pts Terry McGovern
8th - 32 pts Orlando Canizales
9th - 21 pts Rafael Herrera
10th - 20 pts Pete Herman

Tied 11th - 17 pts George Dixon
Tied 11th - 17 pts Veeraphol Sahaprom
13th - 11 pts Rafael Marquez
Tied 14th - 10 pts Jimmy Barry
Tied 14th - 10 pts Jeff Chandler
16th - 9 pts Khaosai Galaxy
17th - 6 pts Kid Williams
18th - 5 pts Chucho Castillo
19th - 4 pts Rodolfo Martinez
Tied 20th - 3 pts Alfonso Zamora
Tied 20th - 3 pts Joe Lynch

Tied 22nd - 2 pts Sixto Escobar
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Lupe Pintor
Tied 24th - 1 pt Jose Becerra
Tied 24th - 1 pt Lionel Rose
Tied 24th - 1 pt Memphis Pal Moore

[Ambling Alp II]

1. Jofre
2. Zarate
3. Brown
4. Olivares
5. Harada
6. McGovern
7. Dixon
8. Herman
9. Chandler
10. Lynch

[Tomasino]

McGovern made his name as a bantam but I think his best wins were at feather. I should have had Jimmy Barry instead of Veerapol

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

McGovern made his name as a bantam but I think his best wins were at feather. I should have had Jimmy Barry instead of Veerapol

I try to judge based on fighting weights rather than whatever the titles were called for the turn of the century guys. So to me McGovern was a bantam up his beating of George Dixon (officially for a "Featherweight" title, but with both guys >118 lbs) in 1900 and never again afterwards meaning he was at the weight less than 3 years and just missed out for me too.

Jimmy Barry likewise looks like more of a flyweight to me (at least what I can make from his officially weighed bouts).

[davie]

What's happening with the Flyweight class Crease?

[Seamus]

C'mon Crease, priorities !

[Tomasino]

McGovern made his name as a bantam but I think his best wins were at feather. I should have had Jimmy Barry instead of Veerapol

I try to judge based on fighting weights rather than whatever the titles were called for the turn of the century guys. So to me McGovern was a bantam up his beating of George Dixon (officially for a "Featherweight" title, but with both guys >118 lbs) in 1900 and never again afterwards meaning he was at the weight less than 3 years and just missed out for me too.

Jimmy Barry likewise looks like more of a flyweight to me (at least what I can make from his officially weighed bouts).

That's a good point

[Keko]

Fly?

[Crease]

What's happening with the Flyweight class Crease?

C'mon Crease, priorities !

Patience is a virtue, gentlemen.

[Crease]

Our FINAL scoreboard looks like this;

FINAL Scoreboard: (14 Members have voted)

1st - 135 pts Eder Jofre
2nd - 100 pts Ruben Olivares
Tied 3rd - 93 pts Panama Al Brown
Tied 3rd - 93 pts Carlos Zarate
5th - 58 pts Fighting Harada
6th - 55 pts Manuel Ortiz
7th - 41 pts Terry McGovern
8th - 32 pts Orlando Canizales
9th - 23 pts Pete Herman
Tied 10th - 20 pts Rafael Herrera
Tied 10th - 20 pts George Dixon

12th - 17 pts Veeraphol Sahaprom
13th - 12 pts Jeff Chandler11 pts Rafael Marquez
14th - 11 pts Rafael Marquez
15th - 10 pts Jimmy Barry
16th - 9 pts Khaosai Galaxy
17th - 6 pts Kid Williams
18th - 5 pts Chucho Castillo
Tied 19th - 4 pts Rodolfo Martinez
Tied 19th - 4 pts Joe Lynch
21st - 3 pts Alfonso Zamora
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Sixto Escobar
Tied 22nd - 2 pts Lupe Pintor
Tied 24th - 1 pt Jose Becerra
Tied 24th - 1 pt Lionel Rose
Tied 24th - 1 pt Memphis Pal Moore

EDER JOFRE IS VOTED OUR GREATEST EVER BANTAMWEIGHT!!!

GAME CLOSED!!!

[Crease]

Overview:

Eder Jofre was voted Number One 10 times.
Ruben Olivares was voted Number One 1 time.
Panama Al Brown was voted Number One 1 time.
Fighting Harada was voted Number One 1 time.
Terry McGovern was voted Number One 1 time.

[davie]

The right man won.

The next 3 are tight, I expected Harada to be in that mix

[elmersalsa]

Definitely, The Golden Bantam, the great Eder Jofre of Brazil, is the greatest bantamweight boxer ever!