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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

jujigatame wrote:He could certainly outbox and outwork him, and possibly hurt him depending on how his power carries up to HW. I've never seen a Chisora fight that made me think he was particularly good. The Pulev fight was painful to watch and the fact that it was a split decision was nuts.

I think Cunningham and Huck have done a decent job of showing the relative strengths of the CW and HW divisions. The HW division is not significantly stronger. I would favor Usyk to beat almost every HW out there.

While I am not picking Bellew, I have a hunch that it will be more competitive than the vast majority think. I don't get the TB hate. The dude has been an active, competitive pro for a very long time. He always comes to fight. He fights more often than most. Sure, he talks sh!t but he is promoting his fights and career. It amazes me the love in the UK for Haye and The Cocaine Monster while legit, lunchpale pros like TB get ridiculed and spat upon.

I am hoping that Bellew turns the tables and sends Haye to the land of twitch. Unlikely, but we know he won't blame his toe if he loses.

Tear him up, Tony!!

What on earth are you talking about? Ridiculed yes, like every boxer on this island? But spat upon? Get a grip.

You clearly know very little about Tony Bellew and his career by the way,

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boxingknockout wrote:
Bellew knows he's going to get beaten and beaten badly. He's lining up his excuses already. He looks sick in his face, like a man facing an executioner.


He looks scared already.

I could go on and on.

You are right that I am no Bellew connoisseur, but I know how many fights he has had since 2008 and how many Haye has had. I know that he is a lunchpale pro who has been in with tough comp and won fights he was not expected to.

I won't be surprised by anything that happens in this fight. Haye may look like a gay nightclub line dancer, and Bellew may appear to be a construction worker in a tough man competition but once in the ring, anything from KTFO 1 either way to a draw is possible here.

Haye should take it though.

Cas wrote:Haye clearly looking the more seasoned HW.

Still, I have my doubts Haye will end this early like everybody expects. I really wouldn't be surprised to see this fight go longer than 6 rounds.

Keep your money in your pockets. It'll probably be a stinker. Haye has fought a whopping three rounds in 4 years against cans. Tony Bellew is arguably one of his toughest fights since his comeback, and that's saying something.

Haye fights only opposition he is 100% comfortable beating. His opposition at HW has been fairly disappointing.

I hope Bellew gives Haye the shock of his life and drags him in deep.

I don't even think it's arguable, De Mori got knocked out by a cruiserweight with a losing record, and Gjergjgjgjg was meant to be so rubbish Tyson Fury wouldn't even spar with him, and without even the pucnh of Hughie Fury.

David Haye looks in fantastic condition, Tony Bellew has obviously had to stack on the pounds to make Heavyweight and you can clearly see it on him at the weigh in.
Sounds like they have a good buzz going in the UK for this one so good luck to them.
Haye should win unless Bellew can produce a career defining performance I would have thought, lets see how it goes down.

What is bellews plan? To take him into deep water? I remember initially bellew saying he would trade early on...so judging by that comment he plans to get on his bike. So it could be a slow start. I have haye winning by ko 4 but if bellews really negative, like he was in the Stevenson fight I just watched again, it could drag on.

jujigatame wrote:You give Chisora too much credit. I'm not even sure he could beat Steve Cunningham.

Cunningham was a much more accomplished cruiser champion than Bellew, also he proved himself at a decent level after moving to heavy. I'd make him favourite if he fought Bellew at either weight.

In a forgetable, routine thrashing, Haye will Bellew Tony away in 5 rounds.
At one time Haye might have been the most skilled HW on the planet, despite his ticker being called into question.
The layoffs and age may have eroded some of that talent but Bellew isn't of the class to expose any decline.

All the odds makers are saying this won't go no more than two rounds.....

I think they are somewhat over-estimating Bellew as a fighter. When he's under pressure, under fire, that's when he shines. Everyone's saying he's a fat ass now, etc. but then again he's NEVER had a physique worth speaking about. I'm gonna roll the dice and say IF (and I concede its a big one) he can make it passed the first four-five rounds, Haye will wish that he didn't opt to take part of this fight.

Bellew is something of a throwback in which he don't mind getting hit two, three, four times to get one in. Whether he can withstand those punches from Haye remains to be seen. But dogfights are the kind of fights he finds the most success. As long as Haye doesn't start running, being elusive, and comes straight at Bellew.... he's got a helluva chance.... Haye hasn't really had a real fight since Klitschko and it's not like his chin is made of titanium, he can be hurt and has been hurt before: and always when he's over confident.

HomicideHenry wrote:All the odds makers are saying this won't go no more than two rounds.....

They're saying a round 3 or 4 finish for Haye.

HomicideHenry wrote:All the odds makers are saying this won't go no more than two rounds.....

I think they are somewhat over-estimating Bellew as a fighter. When he's under pressure, under fire, that's when he shines. Everyone's saying he's a fat ass now, etc. but then again he's NEVER had a physique worth speaking about. I'm gonna roll the dice and say IF (and I concede its a big one) he can make it passed the first four-five rounds, Haye will wish that he didn't opt to take part of this fight.

Bellew is something of a throwback in which he don't mind getting hit two, three, four times to get one in. Whether he can withstand those punches from Haye remains to be seen. But dogfights are the kind of fights he finds the most success. As long as Haye doesn't start running, being elusive, and comes straight at Bellew.... he's got a helluva chance.... Haye hasn't really had a real fight since Klitschko and it's not like his chin is made of titanium, he can be hurt and has been hurt before: and always when he's over confident.

So Chisora wasn't a fight then?

MattCoke wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:All the odds makers are saying this won't go no more than two rounds.....

I think they are somewhat over-estimating Bellew as a fighter. When he's under pressure, under fire, that's when he shines. Everyone's saying he's a fat ass now, etc. but then again he's NEVER had a physique worth speaking about. I'm gonna roll the dice and say IF (and I concede its a big one) he can make it passed the first four-five rounds, Haye will wish that he didn't opt to take part of this fight.

Bellew is something of a throwback in which he don't mind getting hit two, three, four times to get one in. Whether he can withstand those punches from Haye remains to be seen. But dogfights are the kind of fights he finds the most success. As long as Haye doesn't start running, being elusive, and comes straight at Bellew.... he's got a helluva chance.... Haye hasn't really had a real fight since Klitschko and it's not like his chin is made of titanium, he can be hurt and has been hurt before: and always when he's over confident.

So Chisora wasn't a fight then?

Prior to Haye he had a rather competitive loss (though controversial) to Helenius, and following Haye he lost to Vitali Klitschko.... then he fought a string of (more or less) journeymen and fringe contenders, and lost to Tyson Fury.... since that time's he's fought more journeymen and he's lost to the likes of Pulev and Whyte, which shows me that ((maybe)) Chisora never was as good as many people thought he was. He was a heavyweight 'contender' who didn't quite earn his place there, considering he's lost to anyone who could actually move and throw back. His greatest win? Maybe Kevin Johnson, whose always had a low punch rate. The fact that he loses every time he steps up, is an indicator that he ((maybe)) he never was beyond that European level.

Chisora was robbed blind against Helenius and many had him beating Whyte. He'd beat up Bellew and anyone TB has defeated...

crusader wrote:Chisora was robbed blind against Helenius and many had him beating Whyte. He'd beat up Bellew and anyone TB has defeated...

Like I said, the Helenius fight was controversial and the Whyte fight (may have been) controversial as well. The fact remains, he's never really beaten anyone of great consequence. He's always been on the fringe or outside the fringe. And to say "He'd beat Bellew" is rather stupid considering Chisora is 245 pounds (or better), so if he did it'd come down to size alone. Besides it's one of those hypotheticals that don't answer whether Bellew--- virtually the same height/size as Haye---- can beat Haye or not.

Remember the last time Haye fought someone virtually the same height and weight (Monte Barrett) and that was a hell of a competitive fight, where Haye looked vulnerable, and we must concede Barrett is NOT on the level of a Bellew. So, this is going to be an interesting fight, and (I believe) more competitive than people assume it will be. I may be wrong, and I aint necessarily saying that Bellew will win if he gets passed four-five rounds, but that Haye will wish he didn't overlook the Cruiserweight champion of the world as just a mosquito needing to be swatted once and its over.

Haye is not superman. He's always been selective about opponents by and large. As a heavyweight? Outside of Klitschko can you really name one single heavyweight that actually mattered or was legitimate, the real deal, and not some flash in the pan or some limited-or-over-the-hill type? I can't. Ruiz? Limited. Valuev? Limited. Chisora? Overrated. Harrison? Hype-Job. Etc. etc. etc. And let's not forget (once again) his chin is not made of titanium, steel, diamonds, granite, etc. he can be hurt, can be dropped, can be stopped: and usually when he's overly confident and cocky as hell, like he is for this contest.

He may very well win... but I don't believe it will come easy.... He's been inactive for too long, and his last two opponents may as well have been sparring partners. Mere exhibitions. The dude (more or less) ran away from Shannon Briggs for crying out loud, an old washed up man approaching his 50's just because he thinks Briggs is psychotic and unpredictable. Don't bring up the drug tests as an excuse either, the fight could have been made regardless had he really wanted it. Point blank, Haye opted for Bellew because its HUGE money and because he wholeheartedly believes Bellew is nothing. I think that kind of thinking may very well be his undoing.

Hardly irrelevant to mention Chisora beating Bellew and his opponents when today's fight is at HW.

I can't believe people are so dismissive of Chisora, he's not amazing but he's operated at a decent level and has had some good fights with good fighters. I would back him against Tony in a heartbeat, in fact I can't believe it's even a debate. I suspect the people suggesting such a thing don't know much about either fighters careers.

Rumour has it Chisora had to be called off Bellew in sparring. That's sparring though, so take it with a pinch of salt.

I agree...it really strikes me as people not knowing enough about each fighter. Chisora would bully Bellew and rough him up without many problems. Old, shot Brudov had Tony all over the place, and those clubbing shots from Chisora would be rocking him all night.

Bellew is getting blown out.

Tony Bellew, HW juggernaut

I demand apologies from all of you!

jujigatame wrote:I demand apologies from all of you!

For what?

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I demand apologies from all of you!

For what?

For mocking me for my Bellew call, dagnabbit!

jujigatame wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I demand apologies from all of you!

For what?

For mocking me for my Bellew call, dagnabbit!

We mocked you for saying Bellew would beat Chisor. And you can't seriously think you called what happened?

Well ... I called that Bellew would win. So yes, I called what happened.

And I still don't get why anyone thinks Chisora is any good.

jujigatame wrote:Well ... I called that Bellew would win. So yes, I called what happened.

And I still don't get why anyone thinks Chisora is any good.

Because we've seen him and Bellew box. And no one is saying he's a world beater, we're saying he'd beat Tony Bellew.

You fluked that pick, you cannot predict something like that.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Well ... I called that Bellew would win. So yes, I called what happened.

And I still don't get why anyone thinks Chisora is any good.

Because we've seen him and Bellew box. And no one is saying he's a world beater, we're saying he'd beat Tony Bellew.

You fluked that pick, you cannot predict something like that.

I think it was a legit call based on up to the minute intelligence.

He certainly was closer to right than someone betting ko on 1,2, & 3. Well done juji!