who can stop Gennady golovkin?

[speakboxing]

The only thing that can stop GGG is father time. And hopefully Gennady retires before he allows a mediocre to beat him because of his age.

well with his style i say hes got like 2 years maybe before the clock of father time sets on him.

[Bigdogsnose]

Golovkin will remain in his 160lb comfort zone indefinitely. So it’s not worth considering fights against GGG and those fighters that compete in the 154lbs, 168lbs and 175lbs weight classes, unless they agree to either fight above or below their natural habitat, by competing as a middleweight to face Gennady.

In my mind, the only thing that will stop GGG will be father time. Fighters can sometimes appear to grow old overnight. And I think that this is what will ultimately happen. He’ll likely lose to an underdog.

All fighters, barring a select few, suffer defeats at some point in their careers… and there’s no disgrace in that, but I’ll admit to being disappointed if Golovkin retires, without having ventured away his 160lb comfort zone. Since his team would have got away with hyping their fighter, by making lots of false claims without making any effort to prove them.

I think its goes beyond merely being a comfort zone. He isn't very big and would look dwarved by most natural 168 fighters. Golovkin seems to be in the minority of fighters who have always fought at there natural weight. So many start off in a weight lower than is natural and work there way through the weights - doesn't seem like a legit option for ggg. I thought Brook looked bigger than him when they fought. The likes of Chavez, Canelo, Broner who just look much bigger than there opponents when they get in the ring. I think he should stay at 160 and clean up - Jacobs is a good start and still the hottest fight in the planet waiting for him is Canelo. Hopefully.

We’ve been listening to Team Golovkin boldly proclaim for the five years or so that they could “easily” compete and defeat any fighters from 154lbs to 175lbs, but other boxers that made the same claims, such as Bernard Hopkins, actually proved it.

For instance, Hopkins faced light middleweight opponents, such as John David Jackson and Oscar De La Hoya at a catch-weight, weighing 156lbs. And also competed against 175lb-ers, such as Sergey Kovalev, Antonio Tarver, Chad Dawson and Jean Pascal. He even agreed to compete in catchweight bouts against the likes of Ronald Wright and Kelly Pavlik in order to secure fights against the biggest name opponents possible.

Gennady Golovkin’s resume is not as good as it should be, and has to be partially responsible for this, because he refuses to leave his 160lb comfort zone.

If GGG is physically incapable of competing effectively at any weights other than 160lbs, then his team should refrain from lying to the media.

Fight fans should not be the ones making excuses for Golovkin’s refusal to leave his 160lbs comfort zone, especially considering their claims contradict the words uttered by Team GGG.

Never really paid a great deal of attention to his promotional team. Promoters talk shit. That's a fairly well established fact. Looking at GGG he, to me, looks too small too compete with the very best from 168 to 175. Will this affect his legacy, resume? Probably, but I wasn't talking about being an ATG. I just want him to fight the best there is left at middleweight - including canelo. At 168 he probably beats your George Groves, Chudinov's. good fights against dirrell, degale. At 168 to 175 I think ward beats him, and at 175 kolavev beats him.

[jezzamundo]

I think its goes beyond merely being a comfort zone. He isn't very big and would look dwarved by most natural 168 fighters. Golovkin seems to be in the minority of fighters who have always fought at there natural weight. So many start off in a weight lower than is natural and work there way through the weights - doesn't seem like a legit option for ggg. I thought Brook looked bigger than him when they fought. The likes of Chavez, Canelo, Broner who just look much bigger than there opponents when they get in the ring. I think he should stay at 160 and clean up - Jacobs is a good start and still the hottest fight in the planet waiting for him is Canelo. Hopefully.

We’ve been listening to Team Golovkin boldly proclaim for the five years or so that they could “easily” compete and defeat any fighters from 154lbs to 175lbs, but other boxers that made the same claims, such as Bernard Hopkins, actually proved it.

For instance, Hopkins faced light middleweight opponents, such as John David Jackson and Oscar De La Hoya at a catch-weight, weighing 156lbs. And also competed against 175lb-ers, such as Sergey Kovalev, Antonio Tarver, Chad Dawson and Jean Pascal. He even agreed to compete in catchweight bouts against the likes of Ronald Wright and Kelly Pavlik in order to secure fights against the biggest name opponents possible.

Gennady Golovkin’s resume is not as good as it should be, and has to be partially responsible for this, because he refuses to leave his 160lb comfort zone.

If GGG is physically incapable of competing effectively at any weights other than 160lbs, then his team should refrain from lying to the media.

Fight fans should not be the ones making excuses for Golovkin’s refusal to leave his 160lbs comfort zone, especially considering their claims contradict the words uttered by Team GGG.

Never really paid a great deal of attention to his promotional team. Promoters talk poo. That's a fairly well established fact. Looking at GGG he, to me, looks too small too compete with the very best from 168 to 175. Will this affect his legacy, resume? Probably, but I wasn't talking about being an ATG. I just want him to fight the best there is left at middleweight - including canelo. At 168 he probably beats your George Groves, Chudinov's. good fights against dirrell, degale. At 168 to 175 I think ward beats him, and at 175 kolavev beats him.

He'd make a small super middleweight, but he'd probably still be the biggest puncher in the division and he has a great chin, plus great skills - I honestly see him dominating the division in similar fashion to what he's done at middleweight. He'd beat most light heavyweights too, although he'd be at a big size disadvantage there.

[ValMar]

Canelo + ODLH + judges + ref - perfect combination........

[Loki]

We’ve been listening to Team Golovkin boldly proclaim for the five years or so that they could “easily” compete and defeat any fighters from 154lbs to 175lbs, but other boxers that made the same claims, such as Bernard Hopkins, actually proved it.

For instance, Hopkins faced light middleweight opponents, such as John David Jackson and Oscar De La Hoya at a catch-weight, weighing 156lbs. And also competed against 175lb-ers, such as Sergey Kovalev, Antonio Tarver, Chad Dawson and Jean Pascal. He even agreed to compete in catchweight bouts against the likes of Ronald Wright and Kelly Pavlik in order to secure fights against the biggest name opponents possible.

Gennady Golovkin’s resume is not as good as it should be, and has to be partially responsible for this, because he refuses to leave his 160lb comfort zone.

If GGG is physically incapable of competing effectively at any weights other than 160lbs, then his team should refrain from lying to the media.

Fight fans should not be the ones making excuses for Golovkin’s refusal to leave his 160lbs comfort zone, especially considering their claims contradict the words uttered by Team GGG.

Never really paid a great deal of attention to his promotional team. Promoters talk poo. That's a fairly well established fact. Looking at GGG he, to me, looks too small too compete with the very best from 168 to 175. Will this affect his legacy, resume? Probably, but I wasn't talking about being an ATG. I just want him to fight the best there is left at middleweight - including canelo. At 168 he probably beats your George Groves, Chudinov's. good fights against dirrell, degale. At 168 to 175 I think ward beats him, and at 175 kolavev beats him.

He'd make a small super middleweight, but he'd probably still be the biggest puncher in the division and he has a great chin, plus great skills - I honestly see him dominating the division in similar fashion to what he's done at middleweight. He'd beat most light heavyweights too, although he'd be at a big size disadvantage there.

Possibly regarding LHWs, but I think Ward and Kovalev would be too big. Fascinating if it happened though.

[boxing_rocks]

Never really paid a great deal of attention to his promotional team. Promoters talk poo. That's a fairly well established fact. Looking at GGG he, to me, looks too small too compete with the very best from 168 to 175. Will this affect his legacy, resume? Probably, but I wasn't talking about being an ATG. I just want him to fight the best there is left at middleweight - including canelo. At 168 he probably beats your George Groves, Chudinov's. good fights against dirrell, degale. At 168 to 175 I think ward beats him, and at 175 kolavev beats him.

He'd make a small super middleweight, but he'd probably still be the biggest puncher in the division and he has a great chin, plus great skills - I honestly see him dominating the division in similar fashion to what he's done at middleweight. He'd beat most light heavyweights too, although he'd be at a big size disadvantage there.

Possibly regarding LHWs, but I think Ward and Kovalev would be too big. Fascinating if it happened though.

Nah, he could handle Ward just fine. Against Kovalev, it would be who lands a good one first.

[Kalan]

experts of the sport are saying at golovkins age of 34 and with the pressure style he has also because he seems to have a excellent chin he get hits more than he should so they think if he keeps going on like that his shelf life at the top will soon be in decline.

Saul canelo Alvarez - alot of people say canelo has ducked golovkin an i cant blame them for thinking that but i personally think canelo aint scared of golovkin its more of his team waiting for the right time. i think canelo could cause him problems he eould be the bigger man in the ring on the night and he also is a explosive puncher where as golovkin is more of a calculated one.

Andre ward - yes i know ward is at 175 and golvkin at 160 but a few years back this fight was rumoured to happen but according ward golovkin didnt want the fight. we dont if this true but its a fight i could of seen golovkin having a tough time in ward is a master boxer in the ring and master technician and has one of best minds in ring in boxing. he could frustrate golovkin and grind out a points win like we've see him do on numerous occasions.

Chris eubank jr - chris eubank jr and his father have been saying for a while now if he fought golovkin he would be way to much for him hes to young and to agressive in there. if they were to fight this year id pick golovkin to win but like i stated earlier in this piece golovkin with his style of fighting might not last to long at the top and if he show signs of slowing the eubanks could jump straight onto that finailly finish crying wolf at triple g and sign for a fight with him

Alvarez is too slow and doesn't have the jab to match Golokin... They've sparred GGG and they know this very well... It was the biggest money fight in the world and they've priced themselves out of the fight..

Andrade hasn't fought anybody and doesn't have the all-around skills... Neither does Charlo...

Ward is too weak of a hitter.. Golovkin would run him over.. GGG's eyes don't cut like Kovalev's do... Kovalev was afraid of getting head butted all night and didn't fight his fight... When he was aggressive he was beating the Hell out of Ward, and he's not as good as GGG.

Eubank is a very tough fight.. Very strong chin and hard noggin', and physically as tough and strong as Golovkin... Very good speed and boxing skills.

Daniel Jacobs is a fairly tough fight.. He's very tall and big for a Middleweight.. He's a very hard puncher and a very good boxer.. I think people make too big a deal about his chin because he was knocked out by Pirog.. He got hit with a perfect punch and that was a long time ago.

dropped by segio mora also who is not a big puncher at all if u think wards gets run over jacobs deffo will.

Fighters get dropped.. He was going for the KO and this time he'll be extremely careful.. It's like Ali got dropped really hard by 185-pound Henry Cooper so everybody thought Sonny Liston was going to murder him.. That's not how it works.. I expect Golovkin to win.. I just think it's a tough matchup

[nikos6]

Kalan, did you see the ggg vs kassim ouma fight? Ouma did very well defensively and on the inside vs ggg, could Jacobs use his physicality and an inside attack to the same effect? Jacobs showed defensive weaknesses (froze a lot backing up) vs Sergio mora and was dropped. Do you think his skill set poses problems for ggg's style, or more his physical attributes than anything specific?

Check out the video I posted on page one of this thread if you get the time, to see some of Jacobs weaknesses.

[speakboxing]

Alvarez is too slow and doesn't have the jab to match Golokin... They've sparred GGG and they know this very well... It was the biggest money fight in the world and they've priced themselves out of the fight..

Andrade hasn't fought anybody and doesn't have the all-around skills... Neither does Charlo...

Ward is too weak of a hitter.. Golovkin would run him over.. GGG's eyes don't cut like Kovalev's do... Kovalev was afraid of getting head butted all night and didn't fight his fight... When he was aggressive he was beating the Hell out of Ward, and he's not as good as GGG.

Eubank is a very tough fight.. Very strong chin and hard noggin', and physically as tough and strong as Golovkin... Very good speed and boxing skills.

Daniel Jacobs is a fairly tough fight.. He's very tall and big for a Middleweight.. He's a very hard puncher and a very good boxer.. I think people make too big a deal about his chin because he was knocked out by Pirog.. He got hit with a perfect punch and that was a long time ago.

dropped by segio mora also who is not a big puncher at all if u think wards gets run over jacobs deffo will.

Fighters get dropped.. He was going for the KO and this time he'll be extremely careful.. It's like Ali got dropped really hard by 185-pound Henry Cooper so everybody thought Sonny Liston was going to murder him.. That's not how it works.. I expect Golovkin to win.. I just think it's a tough matchup

yeah i get what your saying and the cooper ali fight lets not use that as a example because that fights had controversy about it for nearly 50 years even though ya right ali was dropped and danny jacobs is a good fighter i didnt have him to beat quillin but he proved me wrong and won in emphatic fashion and i hope he is competive with golovkin but i just see him being hurt and in trouble the first time hes caught clean and in a triple g fight that can be at any moment because of how accuarate he is and how well he can time it but if danny jacobs some how makes it a dog fight or suprisingly wins ill take my hat off to you

[caldo2025]

Canelo will beat GGG. Far superior boxer.

I disagree with that statement. GGG has incredible skills and boxing IQ. People look at how many shots GGG has taken recently and point to age catching up with him or there being holes in his defense. But GGG has made it clear that he takes most of those shots on purpose. Once he tastes a fighters punch and realizes it can't hurt him, then his hands lower and he does it for the crowd and to create an opening for one his big shots.

In my 40 years of watching boxing, GGG is in my top 5 of all time. We are witnessing a once in a lifetime fighter. The only one that could stop Gennady Golovkin is time. He may retire undefeated or stay too long in the game and lose due to age but a prime GGG can not be defeated by anyone before him or present. The very best.

[candyslim]

God. That's the only person that can stop him. Best MW in history.

Stone me that's quite a sratement. Presume you are familiar with names like Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, just to name a few that have a greater claim to that mantle ?

[boxing_rocks]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

[Oiky]

No one who has the beating of golovkin is going to appear anytime soon

[jezzamundo]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a big call considering Greb went the distance five times with Gene Tunney - a truly great light heavyweight who went on to win the heavyweight title. Not only that but we won one and drew one of those contests, while another was a split decision loss. He was only stopped twice in a 118 fight career, both when he was young and arguably pre-prime.

I'm not picking a winner in this matchup, because I could see it going either way - but to completely discount a fighter as accomplished as Greb (yes, based almost purely on his resume because of the limited available footage) is silly IMO.

[boxing_rocks]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a big call considering Greb went the distance five times with Gene Tunney - a truly great light heavyweight who went on to win the heavyweight title. Not only that but we won one and drew one of those contests, while another was a split decision loss. He was only stopped twice in a 118 fight career, both when he was young and arguably pre-prime.

I'm not picking a winner in this matchup, because I could see it going either way - but to completely discount a fighter as accomplished as Greb (yes, based almost purely on his resume because of the limited available footage) is silly IMO.

My 17-year old son has better times in swimming than world records from 1920s, and he couldn't even qualify for a High School State Meet. Athletes from a century ago are so far behind that it is funny to think that they could compete on a top level now. Giving Greb 2 rounds against Golovkin is actually a praise.

[Like a Boss]

Jacobs can stop him.

He definitely can, but probably won't.

[jezzamundo]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a big call considering Greb went the distance five times with Gene Tunney - a truly great light heavyweight who went on to win the heavyweight title. Not only that but we won one and drew one of those contests, while another was a split decision loss. He was only stopped twice in a 118 fight career, both when he was young and arguably pre-prime.

I'm not picking a winner in this matchup, because I could see it going either way - but to completely discount a fighter as accomplished as Greb (yes, based almost purely on his resume because of the limited available footage) is silly IMO.

My 17-year old son has better times in swimming than world records from 1920s, and he couldn't even qualify for a High School State Meet. Athletes from a century ago are so far behind that it is funny to think that they could compete on a top level now. Giving Greb 2 rounds against Golovkin is actually a praise.

There are technology-based reasons why athletic records have fallen over time, in addition to the larger population and therefore greater talent pool. Boxing is a sport with declining popularity where technological improvements have made negligible difference. Entirely different to most other sports when comparing past and present performance.

[jezzamundo]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a big call considering Greb went the distance five times with Gene Tunney - a truly great light heavyweight who went on to win the heavyweight title. Not only that but we won one and drew one of those contests, while another was a split decision loss. He was only stopped twice in a 118 fight career, both when he was young and arguably pre-prime.

I'm not picking a winner in this matchup, because I could see it going either way - but to completely discount a fighter as accomplished as Greb (yes, based almost purely on his resume because of the limited available footage) is silly IMO.

My 17-year old son has better times in swimming than world records from 1920s, and he couldn't even qualify for a High School State Meet. Athletes from a century ago are so far behind that it is funny to think that they could compete on a top level now. Giving Greb 2 rounds against Golovkin is actually a praise.

I suggest you watch this TED Talk, or read the speech - the guy has dedicated his life to researching the reasons behind improvements in athletic performance.

https://www.ted.com/talks/david_epstein ... anguage=en

[candyslim]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a one-eyed way of looking at. GGG probably wouldn't be keen to face this kind of quality and would make his excuses whereas Greb thought nothing of facing anyone even a man recognized as Jack Dempsey's nemesis and one of the most accomplished Heavyweights of all time, despite being outweighed by a couple of stone (28 lbs) .

I appreciate that a heavy from way back would be at a massive disadvantage today, because Dempsey, Tunney, even Marciano would be dwarfed by the modern cruiserweight and today's 6' 6" heavy is coordinated and athletic, unlike the Willards and the Carneras who were too big for that period and almost freakish. A middle-weight however remains a middle-weight - the only size difference being relative to the average man of each era.

I accept there have been advances in nutrition, sports science, etcetera and it would be unrealistic to assume that boxing has remained unaffected by the the improvements we have seen in all other athletic sports. Having said that we need to balance that with a consideration for just how tough fighters of yesteryear were, how much mental strength they had, how hungry they were both literally and figuratively. In those days fighting was often the only way out of a life of poverty for a great many fighters. They fought for peanuts and they fought often. The sheer number of boxers meant the road was long and hard and getting to be one of only eight reigning world champions really meant something.

I look back at my parents generation and what they endured, sitting in a flimsy metal shed, night after night for months, knowing any moment you and your loved ones could be killed or worse by an exploding bomb (and that's just the non-combatants back home). l realize what a soft, pampered wimp I am and wonder how I'd cope. Let's face it I'm fairly representative of the effects of modern living, and even fighters today have no conception of the sacrifice and discomfort which was just the life of a fighter 100 years ago.

I'm not saying that Harry Greb would necessarily beat Golovkin but what I do know is that Greb would go to war, and Golovkin would be just another fighter to Greb, not someone to be avoided in favour of taking a less risky opponent. Can you honestly say that you same to be true of GGG?

I wouldn't like to say who was the best MW in history but it's fun to speculate and foolish to reach a conclusion.

[Enlightened-One]

Harry Greb wouldn't last 2 rounds against Golovkin.

That's a one-eyed way of looking at. GGG probably wouldn't be keen to face this kind of quality and would make his excuses whereas Greb thought nothing of facing anyone even a man recognized as Jack Dempsey's nemesis and one of the most accomplished Heavyweights of all time, despite being outweighed by a couple of stone (28 lbs) .

I appreciate that a heavy from way back would be at a massive disadvantage today, because Dempsey, Tunney, even Marciano would be dwarfed by the modern cruiserweight and today's 6' 6" heavy is coordinated and athletic, unlike the Willards and the Carneras who were too big for that period and almost freakish. A middle-weight however remains a middle-weight - the only size difference being relative to the average man of each era.

I accept there have been advances in nutrition, sports science, etcetera and it would be unrealistic to assume that boxing has remained unaffected by the the improvements we have seen in all other athletic sports. Having said that we need to balance that with a consideration for just how tough fighters of yesteryear were, how much mental strength they had, how hungry they were both literally and figuratively. In those days fighting was often the only way out of a life of poverty for a great many fighters. They fought for peanuts and they fought often. The sheer number of boxers meant the road was long and hard and getting to be one of only eight reigning world champions really meant something.

I look back at my parents generation and what they endured, sitting in a flimsy metal shed, night after night for months, knowing any moment you and your loved ones could be killed or worse by an exploding bomb (and that's just the non-combatants back home). l realize what a soft, pampered wimp I am and wonder how I'd cope. Let's face it I'm fairly representative of the effects of modern living, and even fighters today have no conception of the sacrifice and discomfort which was just the life of a fighter 100 years ago.

I'm not saying that Harry Greb would necessarily beat Golovkin but what I do know is that Greb would go to war, and Golovkin would be just another fighter to Greb, not someone to be avoided in favour of taking a less risky opponent. Can you honestly say that you same to be true of GGG?

I wouldn't like to say who was the best MW in history but it's fun to speculate and foolish to reach a conclusion.

Here are some questions that should be very easy to answer for anyone that talks about Harry Greb with such confidence:

• How many Harry Greb fights are freely available to watch online?
• When did you first watch Harry Greb and what made you do so?
• What are some of your favourite Harry Greb fights?
• What is Harry Greb’s fighting style?
• Which opponents did Harry Greb face that impressed you the most?

For the record, I'm not criticising you... I am merely curious.

[candyslim]

Shit ... I've just composed a long reply to this and it's disappeared .... back to the drawing board:

Well I'm not going to try and bullshit you EO, when Harry Greb first came to my attention there was no internet never mind you-tube. Apart from miniscule amounts of grainy cine footage all I know about Harry Greb I learned from books or articles in Boxing News, Boxing Illustrated or Ring Magazine.

Does that make me an expert on Harry Greb, of course not. The only reason he's being discussed is that he was the one selected out of my small sample of possible contenders for best ever MW as the one who wouldn't last two rounds with Golovin.

Despite your claim not to be intending to criticize, which I find a little disingenuous, the implication is clear that I don't know what I'm talking about because I never saw him fight. That's fair comment I don't take exception to being called out, but it doesn't prevent me being influenced by boxing historians that did watch him fight. The alternative is to expunge him from the record because no one can talk about him based on personally acquired knowledge anymore. I don't think that is fair or desirable do you?

Aside from the weight advantage in favour of Tunney which may have been less than my two stone estimate, did I make any statement about Harry Greb that we don't know to be true about the man? Is there anything else in my post that isnt also true?

[candyslim]

Poo? ... frigging poo? ... what bullpoo is this ... I did not write poo. (well some might argue, but I mean I didn't type the word "poo")

What in fornicating Hades is happening in our sugar-coated sanitiized world FFS?

[skinnysteve]

clown canola could not even get a clan win vs lara or cooto hows he gonna beat a real middleweight canola gets KO'ed and fishnets knows it

[caldo2025]

God. That's the only person that can stop him. Best MW in history.

Stone me that's quite a sratement. Presume you are familiar with names like Stanley Ketchel, Harry Greb, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, just to name a few that have a greater claim to that mantle ?

None of those names mowed people down like GGG has. I'd take GGG over every single one of those guys and by KO. Yes, I know we are talking about Hagler here. He was a beast but humans just can't take the type of power GGG has in both hands. It's just a matter of time. IMO, Hagler would succumb to accumulation of blows from him always coming forward and he would be stopped...on his feet...but stopped. I grew up in the Hagler era too so i know all too well how great he was.

[Counter-puncher]

It's cute that you call one heavyweight with putrid competition the worst ever, and a middleweight with similar competition the best ever. A normal persons head would probably melt from the internal contradictions but you're obviously wired in a special way.