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What about Parker? Isn't he protected?

BitPlayer wrote:That blog is utter trash.

Didn't really learn anything new by reading it either.

RScarf1 wrote:What about Parker? Isn't he protected?

At 24, having been pro for 18 fights, 3 years, and 10 months, he fought someone just as good as any of the 38 opponents Wilder has faced over almost 9 years. I think he should be given more time before he's labelled protected in the same manner as Deontay 'Damon McCreary' Wilder.

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder is not a hoax. Wilder is not great and if he is, he certainly hasn't proven that yet.

There is a tremendous amount of room between hoax and great. Wilder is an excellent puncher and still undefeated and its not Deontay's fault that Povetkin is a drug addict.

I think Wilder would beat everyone but Wlad and Joshua, possibly Ortiz, so that's pretty good in my book.

That's exactly how I see it but having said that I do think that a Joshua Wilder fight would go pretty much like the Joshua Martin fight. AJ's speed, ability to slip punches efficiently with extremely powerful counters, would be the perfect antidote to Wilder's long arcing punches coming from way back.

Of course bum-squad has a puncher's chance against any human, but he would very likely get beaten to the punch time and again by the more accomplished technician, and straighter puncher. I can't see a man knocked groggy by Molina taking the sort of counters for very long that sat Prince Charles on his royal arse can you?

montrealsuper wrote:at least one boxing scribe knows it and writes it http://spam.com/2017/02/27/deon ... is-a-hoax/

I disagree with Malinowski in one respect. Wilder has delivered impressive performances. He has impressive punching power and gets people out, like an Ali or Holmes, or even Witherspoon could not. He has one punch power. He's not a real good boxer yet although he displayed some skills against Stiverne.. BS went the distance with him and since then he's been too intent on the KO.. He lost 4 straight rounds looking for the KO shot to put Washington away.. When you realize you can hit anybody and get them out with one shot, you tend to neglect your jab and boxing skills -- and maybe defense.

candyslim wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Wilder is not a hoax. Wilder is not great and if he is, he certainly hasn't proven that yet.

There is a tremendous amount of room between hoax and great. Wilder is an excellent puncher and still undefeated and its not Deontay's fault that Povetkin is a drug addict.

I think Wilder would beat everyone but Wlad and Joshua, possibly Ortiz, so that's pretty good in my book.

That's exactly how I see it but having said that I do think that a Joshua Wilder fight would go pretty much like the Joshua Martin fight. AJ's speed, ability to slip punches efficiently with extremely powerful counters, would be the perfect antidote to Wilder's long arcing punches coming from way back.

Of course bum-squad has a puncher's chance against any human, but he would very likely get beaten to the punch time and again by the more accomplished technician, and straighter puncher. I can't see a man knocked groggy by Molina taking the sort of counters for very long that sat Prince Charles on his royal arse can you?

He definitely got nailed by Molina. I'm not sure he was groggy though. I could see Wilder losing every round to Joshua and then winning with 1 punch, but he'd probably just lose.

Deontay Wilder reminds me of the fake heavyweight in the movie The Harder They Fall.

He even has a bus with his name on it similar to the one in the movie!

I look at Wilder as still a heavyweight that is learning on the job. Sounds crazy with 38 fights, but if you count the rounds of boxing, that 38 fights is a pretty short time. I won't give up on him just yet, but agree with the frustration of lack of top competition. He is in his prime, and probably won't get a whole lot better. Having said that, I would not be shocked if he beat any one of the top heavies either. I am guessing some of you are going to lose a lot of money on Wilder beating your favorite heavy, because you are blinded by hate. Maybe not, we will see.

crusader wrote:

RScarf1 wrote:What about Parker? Isn't he protected?

At 24, having been pro for 18 fights, 3 years, and 10 months, he fought someone just as good as any of the 38 opponents Wilder has faced over almost 9 years. I think he should be given more time before he's labelled protected in the same manner as Deontay 'Damon McCreary' Wilder.

Sorry, but if you chose to fight Takam out of yourself, then you're not protected, I've said ages ago that Takam would beat Wilder and I still think Takam would.

Badhusker wrote:I look at Wilder as still a heavyweight that is learning on the job. Sounds crazy with 38 fights, but if you count the rounds of boxing, that 38 fights is a pretty short time. I won't give up on him just yet, but agree with the frustration of lack of top competition. He is in his prime, and probably won't get a whole lot better. Having said that, I would not be shocked if he beat any one of the top heavies either. I am guessing some of you are going to lose a lot of money on Wilder beating your favorite heavy, because you are blinded by hate. Maybe not, we will see.

He'll turn 32 in a few months. He's been a pro much longer than Joshua.

Wilder has been very, very protected. It's time he fought a prime top 10 HW.

John Ruiz was better than Wilder and he was terrible.

victor-romeo wrote:John Ruiz was better than Wilder and he was terrible.

Ruiz was more accomplished than vitali.

he is no hoax and not as good as his
fans see him. i think he is corrie sanders
level. which is not bad and not elite either.
actually that might be quite flattering a
comparison for deontay ...

but it is unforgivable what ridiculous line
of opponents he has fought so far. he will
continue like this, might score defeats over
fading good names in the future, but my
guess is he will avoid AJ as long as anybody
is willing to watch his current level of
contenders.

biggest issue is his balance and basic
boxing composure. he too often looks
like a wild swinging bar fighter and against
a solid boxer you get punished for that. still,
solid power on a heavyweight is a big asset,
since great boxers at heavy are the exception,
not the rule and this era is mixed at best when
it comes to talent.

Tony1244 wrote:
He definitely got nailed by Molina. I'm not sure he was groggy though. I could see Wilder losing every round to Joshua and then winning with 1 punch, but he'd probably just lose.

I can't see Deontay sticking around to lose every round. Groggy might have been overstating it, but Wilder doesn't seem very durable to me. I'm not saying he can't beat Joshua because bum-squad is a murderous puncher whatever other shortcomings he might have, but if he did win it would in my opinion be by knockout or stoppage and it would be early in the fight.

candyslim wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
He definitely got nailed by Molina. I'm not sure he was groggy though. I could see Wilder losing every round to Joshua and then winning with 1 punch, but he'd probably just lose.

I can't see Deontay sticking around to lose every round. Groggy might have been overstating it, but Wilder doesn't seem very durable to me. I'm not saying he can't beat Joshua because bum-squad is a murderous puncher whatever other shortcomings he might have, but if he did win it would in my opinion be by knockout or stoppage and it would be early in the fight.

I think Deontay has good wind, so I can see him winning late. His stamina, heart, and power are very good. We don't know a whole hell of a lot about his chin because he has never been tested by a good puncher. But I understand his critics. He has ducked good fighters for as long as he's been a pro and even though he's undefeated, you get the impression he never learned to really box.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:John Ruiz was better than Wilder and he was terrible.

Ruiz was more accomplished than vitali.

LOL...This is the current scene -- and out of the blue, you have to compare Vitali Klitschko negatively to one of the worst champions in Boxing History. Vitali Klitschko is a 3-time Heavyweight Champion who was never knocked down in his entire career -- and was winning on points or by KO victory after every one of his pro fights.. He lost one fight on cuts caused by foul blows when he was beating Lennox Lewis on all scorecards -- and lost one fight to Chris Byrd when he was miles ahead, because of a fully separated left rotator cuff assembly. He won 15 World Heavyweight Championship Fights, beat 6 undefeated Heavyweight contenders and beat 6 World Champions.

He was never leveled with a shot like Jack Johnson, Max Schmeling, Joe Louis, George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, or John Ruiz.

Wilder should fight Fury ...

... and if both wore big, red, clown-noses and over-sized clown shoes, that would make it really fun ...

Tony1244 wrote:
I think Deontay has good wind, so I can see him winning late. His stamina, heart, and power are very good. We don't know a whole hell of a lot about his chin because he has never been tested by a good puncher. But I understand his critics. He has ducked good fighters for as long as he's been a pro and even though he's undefeated, you get the impression he never learned to really box.

To win late Wilder would need to keep well clear of Joshua. If AJ lands clean and often then Wilder wouldn't survive (this is deliberately discounting the more likely scenario where either fighter wins early, in order to explore your late win for Deontay theory). That is not beyond the imagination as Wilder is fast, mobile and has a long left lead. I'm certain he can't absorb a shot like Breazeale but then he is way harder to hit. l'd bank on AJ having the abiility though to close him down, slip the shots coming back at him, to blast Wilder out of whereever he runs to. My advice to Wilder would be "Keep on your bicycle, use your jab to keep him off balance, use feints while boxing on the back foot, and be ready to quickly set yourself to throw heavy artillery and catch him on the way in. If you must stand toe to toe with him let your hands go to keep him in defense mode while you extracate yourself because he throws shorter more correct punches and he will be better balanced and get more leverage hence more power and you'll be in trouble".

I dont think since Tommy Burns have we seen a heavyweight champion who has fought such a weak array of opponents as has Deontay Wilder.... at least with Burns he had excuses to make himself look better (he was so fucking short!) than he was, but with Wilder he's a giant bowling over mediocrity after mediocrity which makes him worse than Burns.

Vitali is up there, his resume is crap.

Apparently this is the Vitali's resume thread now

His resume is lackluster, but he got in the ring with far better opposition than Wilder has.

crusader wrote:Apparently this is the Vitali's resume thread now

His resume is lackluster, but he got in the ring with far better opposition than Wilder.

That he did, he lost to the two best he fought. His resume is better than wilders, but nobody talks about all of his rancid challengers. Though to be fair, the division was very weak.

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:
He definitely got nailed by Molina. I'm not sure he was groggy though. I could see Wilder losing every round to Joshua and then winning with 1 punch, but he'd probably just lose.

I can't see Deontay sticking around to lose every round. Groggy might have been overstating it, but Wilder doesn't seem very durable to me. I'm not saying he can't beat Joshua because bum-squad is a murderous puncher whatever other shortcomings he might have, but if he did win it would in my opinion be by knockout or stoppage and it would be early in the fight.

I think Deontay has good wind, so I can see him winning late. His stamina, heart, and power are very good. We don't know a whole hell of a lot about his chin because he has never been tested by a good puncher. But I understand his critics. He has ducked good fighters for as long as he's been a pro and even though he's undefeated, you get the impression he never learned to really box.

Just curious.........can you name any heavyweight that Wilder has ducked? I mean, who has offered a fight to him that he turned down? His resume is weak, but as far as I know he has not ducked anyone. Maybe that is what the top guys should put out there instead of blowing smoke. Has Joshua, Wlad, Ortiz, Parker, Fury ever made a legitimate offer to Wilder?

Badhusker wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

candyslim wrote:
I can't see Deontay sticking around to lose every round. Groggy might have been overstating it, but Wilder doesn't seem very durable to me. I'm not saying he can't beat Joshua because bum-squad is a murderous puncher whatever other shortcomings he might have, but if he did win it would in my opinion be by knockout or stoppage and it would be early in the fight.

I think Deontay has good wind, so I can see him winning late. His stamina, heart, and power are very good. We don't know a whole hell of a lot about his chin because he has never been tested by a good puncher. But I understand his critics. He has ducked good fighters for as long as he's been a pro and even though he's undefeated, you get the impression he never learned to really box.

Just curious.........can you name any heavyweight that Wilder has ducked? I mean, who has offered a fight to him that he turned down? His resume is weak, but as far as I know he has not ducked anyone. Maybe that is what the top guys should put out there instead of blowing smoke. Has Joshua, Wlad, Ortiz, Parker, Fury ever made a legitimate offer to Wilder?

He ducked Ortiz a few weeks ago.

I found the Wilder-Washington fight was interesting. Washington harassed DW with his height, physical size, strength, reach, and jab... Washington is a very good athlete, but has poor coaching... and weak experience for a man his age... and no stance... no footwork... and he can't put together power punches to save his life... He couldn't stay in there and trade with Wilder. He'd get crushed – because he doesn't get under punches adroitly fighting off his back foot and having no inside defense but grabbing.

Wilder is fairly well coached and it was a matter of time until he got a KO shot on Washington, who ducked into a big right. Deontay neglected his whole game looking for the finishing punch for 5 rounds. That opportunity probably won’t come versus much more experienced and skilled Heavyweights like Fury, Joshua, Povetkin, Ortiz, and Haye. However, things don’t look that bad for Wilder even with the top Heavyweights. It’s taken so many years to make these fights that these guys all having problems.

Possibly Haye is done at only 36 years of age. With Fury’s mental illness he might be screwed as well. Povetkin needs a much stronger legal team. How he came up with his crappy US lawyer is a puzzle. And Ortiz is aging rapidly. The top Heavyweights have been studiously avoiding Ortiz. How good is LO going to be at 38 or 39??? You can't say.. Klitschko looked great at 38 and sh!tty at 39 so you never can tell when the age bomb is going to hit.

So all these circumstances could whittle down was seemed to be an explosion of great Heavyweight fights 2 years ago – to a division where none of those big money fights ever happened.. And with the problems everybody is having except Joshua and Wilder you wonder how many of those fights actually will happen now.

Wilder can beat Parker and the guys ranked lower than the above Heavyweights. So if Wilder can box around AJ, he might be undefeated for another 9 years.