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world ranked wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Jacobs fought just two opponents above C level, Pirog and Quillin. He was stopped by one and fought the other one for less than 3 minutes. In other words, Jacobs is unproven. His trainer is no good and so is his chin. I am not even sure that he could beat motivated in shape BJS or Eubank Jr.

Lemieux fucks up BJS, CEJ and Jacobs. Dude is dynamite.

https://youtu.be/lBDiXMTr360

that KO was brutal.

Where was dynamite vs Alcine or Rubio

He was 23 with no experience and was punching himself out in 3-4 rounds.

He's clearly a better fighter since then (more jabbing and better pacing when called for), and has beaten opponents superior to Alcine and Rubio.

Many very good fighters have suffered early defeats or seriously struggled when they were young and inexperienced. Pacman was stopped a few times, should've arguably been counted out from a Nedal Hussein jab, and in his early 20s failed to beat Agapito Sanchez; David Haye lost to old Carl Thompson, but a few years later was the world's best cruiser; Jack was flattened by a journeyman; Mikey Garcia got put on his ass by Walter Estrada and barely won the fight, and so on.

crusader wrote:He's clearly a better fighter since then (more jabbing and better pacing when called for), and has beaten opponents superior to Alcine and Rubio.

Many very good fighters have suffered early defeats or seriously struggled when they were young and inexperienced. Pacman was stopped a few times, should've arguably been counted out from a Nedal Hussein jab, and in his early 20s failed to beat Agapito Sanchez; David Haye lost to old Carl Thompson, but a few years later was the world's best cruiser; Jack was flattened by a journeyman; Mikey Garcia got put on his ass by Walter Estrada and barely won the fight, and so on.

His power has got him out of all situations he has always struggled with everyone he's fought but he's power had got him out most of the time. Its not about him getting better the question is can he land if he does he wins pretty simple he hasn't really got better his power has just bailed him out.

He was up 5-0 against Rubio and was winning easily until he gassed. That loss was largely a matter of not pacing himself, which is something he's worked on.

Acting like he's the same fighter is just plain stupid, and kind of funny that it's coming from a guy who picked Thomas Williams to beat Stevenson, even after Tommy's crybaby job against Campillo.

fanman wrote:I dont think anyone serious is calling golovkin a hype job....

Are you being serious?

The various boxing forums are littered with posts claiming GGG is a hype job

apollo creed wrote:If GGG beats Jacobs then Jacobs was a chiny bum and if Jacobs beats GGG then GGG was a hypejob who was previously 'exposed' by a welterweight - haters common sense.

Haters like to ensure no matter what the result they don't have to offer any credit to the fighter they hate, and the above is typical of how they go about it.

Refer Hater 101.

world ranked wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
One-legged Lemieux wouldn't beat Jacobs. A healthy one definitely will.

TBH I'd favor Lemieux over Saunders and Jacobs. I think he would blast out both.

Fans love the knockouts but forget he was outboxed twice buy guys he had no business losing to.

He wasn't outboxed at all. He was not in shape to fight 12 rounds. He was his usual dominant self in both of those fights but just ran out of gas because he was young and thought he could KO everyone.

Even with this last fight against Curtis, you could tell that there was no way Lemieux would be able to keep that pace up. Thanks god he got the knockout because that fight was starting to turn as well.

Most people are fickle

Can't stick by what they say and want to look "in the know" all the time.

And as mentioned above never truly satisfied. Think it's pathetic tbh

caldo2025 wrote:

world ranked wrote:

apollo creed wrote: TBH I'd favor Lemieux over Saunders and Jacobs. I think he would blast out both.

Fans love the knockouts but forget he was outboxed twice buy guys he had no business losing to.

He wasn't outboxed at all. He was not in shape to fight 12 rounds. He was his usual dominant self in both of those fights but just ran out of gas because he was young and thought he could KO everyone.

Even with this last fight against Curtis, you could tell that there was no way Lemieux would be able to keep that pace up. Thanks god he got the knockout because that fight was starting to turn as well.

His power saves him not his boxing skills like some suggested.

lmao

He was outboxed by Rubio? I take it that you haven't actually seen the fight and thus aren't a good person to be giving an analysis of it. Lemieux was easily up 5-0, but he didn't pace himself well and gassed out.

crusader wrote:lmao

He was outboxed by Rubio? I take it that you haven't actually seen the fight and thus aren't a good person to be giving an analysis of it. Lemieux was easily up 5-0, but he didn't pace himself well and gassed out.

So I guess the same thing happen with Alcine too. I saw the fight and couldn't believe he lost to either guy. He nothing more than a puncher.

If you saw the fight, why are you spreading nonsense like that? Lemieux wasn't being outboxed at all, and Rubio hadn't won more than a single round at the time of the stoppage. It was a gas tank and pacing issue, and he's doing better not to punch himself out these days. When he took the Alcine fight (right after the Rubio loss) he was having problems with his team and wasn't in shape, and since that point he's beaten multiple fighters who are better than Alcine, and held up well to clean shots from guys who punch harder than Rubio.

If only you gave him as much credit as you were giving Thomas Williams Jr. Bizarre that you'd hold Lemieux's losses against him like this when you suggested that Williams was superior to Stevenson, even after Tommy was literally in tears against shopworn Campillo. That pick was even odder considering your assertions in other threads that the strength of one's record is what should be used to rate how good a fighter is; I guess you apply that quite selectively!