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Boxing Prospect wrote:Gonzalez loses to a former champion....and that's a nobody...oh the idiots who don't know the lower weights...

http://boxrec.com/boxer/528191

His resume is far from impressive.

BitPlayer wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:Gonzalez loses to a former champion....and that's a nobody...oh the idiots who don't know the lower weights...

http://boxrec.com/boxer/528191

His resume is far from impressive.

His complete destruction of Salgado and Sato, as well as well as his performance again Cuadras, and all the footage of him, certainly make him more than a nobody. People didn't look further than his stay busy fights and that's on them.

Jip wrote:1. Lomachenko
2. Inoue
3. Crawford
4. Kovalev
5. Jacobs
6. GGG
7. Thurman
8. Spence
9. Canelo
10. Santa Cruz

° rigo out cause of inactivity

° ward retired from boxing to me, not accepting a rematch, also he lost the k fight

* gonzales lost against a nobody, out of the top 10

° jacobs won, infront of GGG

Here we go. If you had GGG losing last night then you were just a GGG hater. He CLEARLY won the fight and in much dominant fashion than the score would indicate. Watch it again impartially if you want people to take you seriously.

GGG is and has been #1 P4P fighter in the world. But people will fabricate a new #1 somehow and perhaps it will be Inoue...and he'll get popular and finally get on tv and then he'll lose like every other manufacturered #1.

Just have a little more pride in what you push out for comments about this sport.

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:1. Lomachenko
2. Inoue
3. Crawford
4. Kovalev
5. Jacobs
6. GGG
7. Thurman
8. Spence
9. Canelo
10. Santa Cruz

° rigo out cause of inactivity

° ward retired from boxing to me, not accepting a rematch, also he lost the k fight

* gonzales lost against a nobody, out of the top 10

° jacobs won, infront of GGG

Here we go. If you had GGG losing last night then you were just a GGG hater. He CLEARLY won the fight and in much dominant fashion than the score would indicate. Watch it again impartially if you want people to take you seriously.

GGG is and has been #1 P4P fighter in the world. But people will fabricate a new #1 somehow and perhaps it will be Inoue...and he'll get popular and finally get on tv and then he'll lose like every other manufacturered #1.

Just have a little more pride in what you push out for comments about this sport.

For someone not on TV Inoue draws bloody amazing numbers, 7 figure viewing for every fight...

diddy wrote:Please get these little midgets out of the rankings. Inoue, Roman Gonzalez. People try to outsmart themselves putting these dudes on the lists. Let's keep it to dudes who are adult sized.

Lomo, Ward, Kovalev are a pretty clear 1-2-3 for me right now. Crawford and GGG at 4-5.

So gonzales and Inoue are midgets but Lomo is "adult" size in your world ? would love to hear how you worked that one out

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Hitman Jr.
3G
Krusher
Lomassiah
Once Upon A Time
Planquiao
TBoKB (The Battle of Kell Brook)
Mikey
LSC

Boxing Prospect wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:1. Lomachenko
2. Inoue
3. Crawford
4. Kovalev
5. Jacobs
6. GGG
7. Thurman
8. Spence
9. Canelo
10. Santa Cruz

° rigo out cause of inactivity

° ward retired from boxing to me, not accepting a rematch, also he lost the k fight

* gonzales lost against a nobody, out of the top 10

° jacobs won, infront of GGG

Here we go. If you had GGG losing last night then you were just a GGG hater. He CLEARLY won the fight and in much dominant fashion than the score would indicate. Watch it again impartially if you want people to take you seriously.

GGG is and has been #1 P4P fighter in the world. But people will fabricate a new #1 somehow and perhaps it will be Inoue...and he'll get popular and finally get on tv and then he'll lose like every other manufacturered #1.

Just have a little more pride in what you push out for comments about this sport.

For someone not on TV Inoue draws bloody amazing numbers, 7 figure viewing for every fight...

Let's keep the P4P discussions about the REAL divisions in boxing and not these weight classes that only circus freaks can get down to. Grown ass men do not weight 115 pounds. This is a sideshow division and I'm sick of people giving it too much attention.

caldo2025 wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Here we go. If you had GGG losing last night then you were just a GGG hater. He CLEARLY won the fight and in much dominant fashion than the score would indicate. Watch it again impartially if you want people to take you seriously.

GGG is and has been #1 P4P fighter in the world. But people will fabricate a new #1 somehow and perhaps it will be Inoue...and he'll get popular and finally get on tv and then he'll lose like every other manufacturered #1.

Just have a little more pride in what you push out for comments about this sport.

For someone not on TV Inoue draws bloody amazing numbers, 7 figure viewing for every fight...

Let's keep the P4P discussions about the REAL divisions in boxing and not these weight classes that only circus freaks can get down to. Grown ass men do not weight 115 pounds. This is a sideshow division and I'm sick of people giving it too much attention.

so which are the real divisions in your opinion ?

1. Joshua-Klitschko winner
2. Usyk
3. Ward-Kovalev winner
4. Lomachenko
5. Golovkin
6. Canelo
7. Crawford
8. M. Garcia
9. Rigondeaux
10. Thurman

Spence and T. Fury will be soon on this list.........

1. Andre Ward
2. Sergey Kovalev (scored the AW-SK fight a draw, better overall resume just about breaks the tie)
3. Terence Crawford (feels high but he keeps performing while others fall off)
4. Vasyl Lomachenko (likewise)
5. Naoya Inoue
6. Gennady Golovkin (still riding quite high, though really laid an egg last night. Seemed so... tamed)
7. Mikey Garcia (gets some credit for pre-layoff run)
8. Keith Thurman
9. Danny Jacobs
10. Leo Santa Cruz

Just outside (no order): Alvarez, Yamanaka, Pacquiao, Frampton, Usyk, Gonzalez

Thought Gonzo might have nicked the fight last night but his footwork just didn't seem to be where it was a year or so ago.

littlepug wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
For someone not on TV Inoue draws bloody amazing numbers, 7 figure viewing for every fight...

Let's keep the P4P discussions about the REAL divisions in boxing and not these weight classes that only circus freaks can get down to. Grown ass men do not weight 115 pounds. This is a sideshow division and I'm sick of people giving it too much attention.

so which are the real divisions in your opinion ?

Any division that weighs more than the amount of weight i typically use for arm curls at the gym. 8 year old girls are 115 pounds on average.

caldo2025 wrote:

littlepug wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Let's keep the P4P discussions about the REAL divisions in boxing and not these weight classes that only circus freaks can get down to. Grown ass men do not weight 115 pounds. This is a sideshow division and I'm sick of people giving it too much attention.

so which are the real divisions in your opinion ?

Any division that weighs more than the amount of weight i typically use for arm curls at the gym. 8 year old girls are 115 pounds on average.

The average weight of eight year old girls is about half of that. Stop inflating your weight lifting prowess, Caldumbell.

I don't see how people are putting Jacobs in their top 10 P4P, it's comical. He lost last night and was no where near the top 10 P4P before the fight. He's not a bad fighter, easily a top 3 at MW...but a top 10 P4P guy? Come on now.....

Any P4P list starts with Ward and Kovalev ...
Thurman is now clearly top 5. Garcia should be top 10 too.
Gonzalez is what I've been saying he was, top 10, but definitely not #1.

GGG's stock should drop a little.
Why? Because no one had Jacobs top 20 p4p.

Lomachenko is above Crawford and Canelo.

Naoye Inoue would KO Gonzalez, Cuadras and Wangek.

1. Ward
2. Kovalev
3. Thurman
4. Lomachenko
5. Rigondeaux
6. GGG
7. Inoue
8. Crawford
9. Gonzalez
10. Garcia

Canelo has been a side show for almost 2 years.
Hasn't fought any real fighter since Cotto.
May 5th under Floyd read like Manny, Maidana, Guerrero, Cotto, Mosley. All coming off career wins, except Manny being Manny.
So far, May 5th under Alvarez has been Kirkland, Khan, and Chavez Jr.

I think Crawford and Spence are the two best in the world. Ggg, kovalev, Loma, NB Gonzalez right behind them.

caldo2025 wrote:

Jip wrote:1. Lomachenko
2. Inoue
3. Crawford
4. Kovalev
5. Jacobs
6. GGG
7. Thurman
8. Spence
9. Canelo
10. Santa Cruz

° rigo out cause of inactivity

° ward retired from boxing to me, not accepting a rematch, also he lost the k fight

* gonzales lost against a nobody, out of the top 10

° jacobs won, infront of GGG

Here we go. If you had GGG losing last night then you were just a GGG hater. He CLEARLY won the fight and in much dominant fashion than the score would indicate. Watch it again impartially if you want people to take you seriously.

GGG is and has been #1 P4P fighter in the world. But people will fabricate a new #1 somehow and perhaps it will be Inoue...and he'll get popular and finally get on tv and then he'll lose like every other manufacturered #1.

Just have a little more pride in what you push out for comments about this sport.

even if ggg won the fight, cause it was very very close, couldve gone each way.

but even if he won the close fight, there is no way you can put him at the #1 spot.

compared to mr. everything (thats how i call loma, cause he can do everything in a ring: speed, footwork, technique, upper body movemant, power, timing, reflexes) he looks b class. looks like a heavy handed puncher with an elite chin, but far from being a boxer like loma who is near perfect when you talking about a boxer being COMPLET

the jacobs fight showed gggs limits, limits in skill, limits to deal with an athletic opponent, limits in footwork, limits in speed, limits simply to addapt. imagine p4p a 5'11 lomachenko, jacobs wouldnt have won more than 3 rounds!

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Any P4P list starts with Ward and Kovalev ...
Thurman is now clearly top 5. Garcia should be top 10 too.
Gonzalez is what I've been saying he was, top 10, but definitely not #1.

GGG's stock should drop a little.
Why? Because no one had Jacobs top 20 p4p.

Lomachenko is above Crawford and Canelo.

Naoye Inoue would KO Gonzalez, Cuadras and Wangek.

1. Ward
2. Kovalev
3. Thurman
4. Lomachenko
5. Rigondeaux
6. GGG
7. Inoue
8. Crawford
9. Gonzalez
10. Garcia

Canelo has been a side show for almost 2 years.
Hasn't fought any real fighter since Cotto.
May 5th under Floyd read like Manny, Maidana, Guerrero, Cotto, Mosley. All coming off career wins, except Manny being Manny.
So far, May 5th under Alvarez has been Kirkland, Khan, and Chavez Jr.

i dont aggree with everything, but. good post

littlepug wrote:

diddy wrote:Please get these little midgets out of the rankings. Inoue, Roman Gonzalez. People try to outsmart themselves putting these dudes on the lists. Let's keep it to dudes who are adult sized.

Lomo, Ward, Kovalev are a pretty clear 1-2-3 for me right now. Crawford and GGG at 4-5.

So gonzales and Inoue are midgets but Lomo is "adult" size in your world ? would love to hear how you worked that one out

no shit, Loma is a warm up bench set and I'm almost 50.

I like all the weight lifting shout outs in this thread

punchoutsb wrote:I like all the weight lifting shout outs in this thread

I had a partial bicep tear last summer and have become a lazy bum. I've no room to jest. The fact that I haven't gotten fat makes me lazier.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:I like all the weight lifting shout outs in this thread

I had a partial bicep tear last summer and have become a lazy bum. I've no room to jest. The fact that I haven't gotten fat makes me lazier.

I didn't think you were jesting, Saad, just laughed that there's been references to bicep curls and bench presses in this thread. Hope the bicep is healing, tears can really slow you down.

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:I like all the weight lifting shout outs in this thread

I had a partial bicep tear last summer and have become a lazy bum. I've no room to jest. The fact that I haven't gotten fat makes me lazier.

I didn't think you were jesting, Saad, just laughed that there's been references to bicep curls and bench presses in this thread. Hope the bicep is healing, tears can really slow you down.

I know you weren't, the joke just saddened me that I stopped lifting after a real bounce back year after a decade off.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I had a partial bicep tear last summer and have become a lazy bum. I've no room to jest. The fact that I haven't gotten fat makes me lazier.

I didn't think you were jesting, Saad, just laughed that there's been references to bicep curls and bench presses in this thread. Hope the bicep is healing, tears can really slow you down.

I know you weren't, the joke just saddened me that I stopped lifting after a real bounce back year after a decade off.

I hope you get it back, man. 50 definitely isn't "too old" to make a full recovery

No doubt age is nothing. I still get rapid gains. Just have to take the first step. Maybe tomorrow. I've lost about 15 pounds in 9 months. Not the good kind. Lol, haven't been under 200 in decades.

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

littlepug wrote: so which are the real divisions in your opinion ?

Any division that weighs more than the amount of weight i typically use for arm curls at the gym. 8 year old girls are 115 pounds on average.

The average weight of eight year old girls is about half of that. Stop inflating your weight lifting prowess, Caldumbell.

I'm sure that you have more experience with 8 year old girls than most of us Tanzio so i won't argue with you on this one. Your first win.