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Re: The Ring Magazine is the biggest joke
Posted: 23 Mar 2017, 05:28
by RScarf1
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:RScarf1 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:They also may feel that Roman is fighting above his weight class. That's valid for a p4p ranking.
He was at minimumweight and light flyweight most of his career. He won the flyweight title in 2014 and his last two fights were at super flyweight. Maybe he would be better suited for flyweight, but I just think that division ratings should be considered in the P4P ratings.
I honestly couldn't care less how anyone wants to do p4p.
Ring's ratings in general are poor in my opinion and also biased. I think BoxRec has better ratings than Ring's "experts" could ever come up with. The Ring championship belt had much more prestige in the past.
Re: The Ring Magazine is the biggest joke
Posted: 23 Mar 2017, 06:13
by SaadOffTheDeck
I haven't looked at the rings rating in many years. I don't look at any ratings anymore. P4p is silly anyway.
Re: The Ring Magazine is the biggest joke
Posted: 23 Mar 2017, 09:30
by Mexi-Box
RScarf1 wrote:Jip wrote:Mexi-Box wrote:I think they're going by official, but I do think, since I thought (and several others) Kovalev won that fight, he should go right next to Ward. I actually agree with that.
but they are contradicting themselves.
if the ring only goes by official descisions than ward is over kovalev cause he won and the thai guy is over roman cause he won, right?
but the ring have ward over kovalev and roman over wangek. makes no sense.
Ring has Rungvisai No.2 and Gonzalez No. 3 when they are rated in the division. Ring has Gonzalez rated No. 4 pound for pound and Rungvisai not rated at all pound for pound. Ring rates Rungvisai ahead of Gonzalez for division ratings, so Ring is following the results of the fight when they rate boxers within the division. For pound for pound, it seems they are going by who they felt won the fight and so they keep Gonzalez rated on their pound for pound list and do not rate Rungvisai as if he did not really deserve to win in their opinion.
Ward defeated Kovalev by decision and Ring rates Ward ahead of Kovalev in their division. The pound for pound ratings currently have Ward No. 1 and Kovalev No. 2, so Ward is ahead of Kovalev on the P4P list as well. Ring is not being consistent. If they are supposed to consider the official decisions in their ratings, then Rungvisai should be ahead of Gonzalez on the P4P list
or Rungvisai should be rated and they can remove Gonzalez from the P4P list
or not rate Rungvisai and Gonzalez on the P4P list.
No, you don't take out a fighter that's #1 from the p4p list and replace him. Rungvisai is a damn good fighter, but he doesn't quite have the resume that Gonzalez does. Plus, Gonzalez lost in a fight that could've gone either way. If I had to think about it, I'd probably have Rungvisai top 20 p4p with that win.
I'd probably have Gonzalez is still top 5 p4p, but he probably drops to about #3 under Kovalev and Ward.
Re: The Ring Magazine is the biggest joke
Posted: 23 Mar 2017, 10:40
by world ranked
RScarf1 wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:RScarf1 wrote:
He was at minimumweight and light flyweight most of his career. He won the flyweight title in 2014 and his last two fights were at super flyweight. Maybe he would be better suited for flyweight, but I just think that division ratings should be considered in the P4P ratings.
I honestly couldn't care less how anyone wants to do p4p.
Ring's ratings in general are poor in my opinion and also biased. I think BoxRec has better ratings than Ring's "experts" could ever come up with. The Ring championship belt had much more prestige in the past.
definitely not buying that boxrec ranking sometimes is just as bad.