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Riddick Blowe wrote:the idea of face in the air, no head movement, clumsy Pulev being underated is ridiculous.

Kubrat Pulev is at rank 3 by Ring Magazine Ratings and Anthony Joshua at 5 , particularly therefore he is overrated as fu**.
Pulev is by no means underrated , that is really ridiculous

I think Joshua is generally rated above Pulev, and I'd expect a sizable majority to consider AJ the better fighter. From discussions on various forums, I don't think Pulev is usually considered to be in the top tier with guys like Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder and AJ. Even Parker seems to get rated higher, but Pulev's resume is probably stronger and I think he could do well against JP.

If Pulev only fights absolute chumps, who doesn't?

crusader wrote:I think Joshua is generally rated above Pulev, and I'd expect a sizable majority to consider AJ the better fighter. From discussions on various forums, I don't think Pulev is usually considered to be in the top tier with guys like Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder and AJ. Even Parker seems to get rated higher, but Pulev's resume is probably stronger and I think he could do well against JP.

If Pulev fights absolute chumps, who doesn't?

Deontay Wilder fights only Chumps , but he knocks them out , he nearly kills them
Anthony Joshua will fight against Wlad, but before that Fight , he knocked every Chump out in dominate Fashion.

But Pulev knocks only 52 % of these Chumps out , he couldnt knock anybody from the Top 5 out ,he have to win on Points against them
and i dont think he can

When you compare their Abilities , Pulev is a Chump himself against Wilder,Joshua or Klitschko.
Wilder would put him on a Stretcher , with his Wife holding his Hand and begging for his Life.

You have to judge them by their Talent and Athletic abilities , not only by their Opponents

Niko1209 wrote:

crusader wrote:I think Joshua is generally rated above Pulev, and I'd expect a sizable majority to consider AJ the better fighter. From discussions on various forums, I don't think Pulev is usually considered to be in the top tier with guys like Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder and AJ. Even Parker seems to get rated higher, but Pulev's resume is probably stronger and I think he could do well against JP.

If Pulev fights absolute chumps, who doesn't?

Deontay Wilder fights only Chumps , but he knocks them out , he nearly kills them
Anthony Joshua will fight against Wlad, but before that Fight , he knocked every Chump out in dominate Fashion.

But Pulev knocks only 52 % of these Chumps out , he couldnt knock anybody from the Top 5 out ,he have to win on Points against them
and i dont think he can

When you compare their Abilities , Pulev is a Chump himself against Wilder,Joshua or Klitschko.
Wilder would put him on a Stretcher , with his Wife holding his Hand and begging for his Life.

You have to judge them by their Talent and Athletic abilities , not only by their Opponents

First of all, no need to be so graphic in your descriptions of fighters on stretchers, it is very disrespectful.

Second of all, in this very thread you've made shite judgements based on fights you haven't seen that have already occurred...why would anyone trust you to accurately predict fights that haven't?

Finally, there is more to talent and athletic ability than knock out percentage...or I'm guessing you'd have picked Lamar Clark over Clay?

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:

crusader wrote:I think Joshua is generally rated above Pulev, and I'd expect a sizable majority to consider AJ the better fighter. From discussions on various forums, I don't think Pulev is usually considered to be in the top tier with guys like Wlad, Povetkin, Wilder and AJ. Even Parker seems to get rated higher, but Pulev's resume is probably stronger and I think he could do well against JP.

If Pulev fights absolute chumps, who doesn't?

Deontay Wilder fights only Chumps , but he knocks them out , he nearly kills them
Anthony Joshua will fight against Wlad, but before that Fight , he knocked every Chump out in dominate Fashion.

But Pulev knocks only 52 % of these Chumps out , he couldnt knock anybody from the Top 5 out ,he have to win on Points against them
and i dont think he can

When you compare their Abilities , Pulev is a Chump himself against Wilder,Joshua or Klitschko.
Wilder would put him on a Stretcher , with his Wife holding his Hand and begging for his Life.

You have to judge them by their Talent and Athletic abilities , not only by their Opponents

First of all, no need to be so graphic in your descriptions of fighters on stretchers, it is very disrespectful.

Second of all, in this very thread you've made shite judgements based on fights you haven't seen that have already occurred...why would anyone trust you to accurately predict fights that haven't?

Finally, there is more to talent and athletic ability than knock out percentage...or I'm guessing you'd have picked Lamar Clark over Clay?

Come on ,dont be so humorless, i dont care about Pulev , i have seen that Fight now and corrected it , i thought it was a close Fight because some People told me that , Pulev was better than Chisora but he was still nothing special , more like a poor mans Wladimir Klitschko with all the jabbing and grabbing , he is a second-tier hugmachine.

Dont be so serious about it ,maybe you are a Fan of him ,but i made this Topic ,to discuss which Fighters are overrated and which underrated and in my opinion Pulev is slightly overrated.
Everybody says Wilder is overrated and nobody gives a Sh**, but when i say Pulev is overrated , some People defends him like he is the greatest of all Time.

Wilder would put him to sleep in my opinion and there is nothing disrespectful about it , maybe that part with his wife , but come on , everybody talks crap sometimes , have a little bit Fun

Niko1209 wrote:
Come on ,dont be so humorless, i dont care about Pulev , i have seen that Fight now and corrected it , i thought it was a close Fight because some People told me that , Pulev was better than Chisora but he was still nothing special , more like a poor mans Wladimir Klitschko with all the jabbing and grabbing , he is a second-tier hugmachine.

Dont be so serious about it ,maybe you are a Fan of him ,but i made this Topic ,to discuss which Fighters are overrated and which underrated and in my opinion Pulev is slightly overrated.
Everybody says Wilder is overrated and nobody gives a Sh**, but when i say Pulev is overrated , some People defends him like he is the greatest of all Time.

Wilder would put him to sleep in my opinion and there is nothing disrespectful about it , maybe that part with his wife , but come on , everybody talks crap sometimes , have a little bit Fun

I'm far from humorless. I don't find tasteless words about a boxers wife crying for his health funny.

On the flipside I think it's hilarious that you comment so freely on fights you've never seen and rely on boxrec stats to form your weak arguments. You're a slightly less annoying kalan

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:
Come on ,dont be so humorless, i dont care about Pulev , i have seen that Fight now and corrected it , i thought it was a close Fight because some People told me that , Pulev was better than Chisora but he was still nothing special , more like a poor mans Wladimir Klitschko with all the jabbing and grabbing , he is a second-tier hugmachine.

Dont be so serious about it ,maybe you are a Fan of him ,but i made this Topic ,to discuss which Fighters are overrated and which underrated and in my opinion Pulev is slightly overrated.
Everybody says Wilder is overrated and nobody gives a Sh**, but when i say Pulev is overrated , some People defends him like he is the greatest of all Time.

Wilder would put him to sleep in my opinion and there is nothing disrespectful about it , maybe that part with his wife , but come on , everybody talks crap sometimes , have a little bit Fun

I'm far from humorless. I don't find tasteless words about a boxers wife crying for his health funny.

On the flipside I think it's hilarious that you comment so freely on fights you've never seen and rely on boxrec stats to form your weak arguments. You're a slightly less annoying kalan

I dont know who or what a Kalan is , but i dont rely usually on boxrec stats , i know the Fighters that i talk about , only i didnt seen that particularly Fight .

I have seen enough from Pulev to know what i am talking about and i watched nearly every Fight from Deontay Wilder to know that he is a very,very dangerous Opponent and not really overrated, only his Chin is questionable , because he didnt really got tested.

You are one of these Guys who says that Wilder and Haye are overrated because they didnt fought good opponents, but is defending Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin who fought barely better opponents and have mediocre athletic Ability at best.

Athleticism is one of the most important Things in Boxing today, especially in the Heavyweight Division , Povetkin cant fight 12 Rounds at full power, he never did , therefore i have to say he is overrated , so is Kubrat Pulev.

People say Wladimir Klitschko is overrated, what is then Pulev , he has the same Fighting Style without Klitschkos Athleticism and without Titles.
If Klitschko is overrated , Pulev has to be criminally overrated, because the most prominent Fighting Magazine has him as a Top 3 Heavyweight.

Niko1209 wrote:I dont know who or what a Kalan is , but i dont rely usually on boxrec stats , i know the Fighters that i talk about , only i didnt seen that particularly Fight .

He's another crap poster here, you'll probably get along well. You say you don't rely on boxrec stats yet so far the only criticisms you've levied against Pulev is that he struggled in a fight you hadn't seen, has a 52% KO percentage (that's a boxrec stat...), and is a hug machine which you would know is untrue if you'd seen him fight.

Niko1209 wrote:I have seen enough from Pulev to know what i am talking about and i watched nearly every Fight from Deontay Wilder to know that he is a very,very dangerous Opponent and not really overrated, only his Chin is questionable , because he didnt really got tested.

You've seen enough to talk about his struggles with Chisora

Niko1209 wrote:You are one of these Guys who says that Wilder and Haye are overrated because they didnt fought good opponents, but is defending Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin who fought barely better opponents and have mediocre athletic Ability at best.

Am I? Because I'm pretty sure neither Wilder or Haye made my overrated list in this very thread.

Niko1209 wrote:Athleticism is one of the most important Things in Boxing today, especially in the Heavyweight Division , Povetkin cant fight 12 Rounds at full power, he never did , therefore i have to say he is overrated , so is Kubrat Pulev.

Seth Mitchell outghta come get that belt then!

Niko1209 wrote:People say Wladimir Klitschko is overrated, what is then Pulev , he has the same Fighting Style without Klitschkos Athleticism and without Titles.
If Klitschko is overrated , Pulev has to be criminally overrated, because the most prominent Fighting Magazine has him as a Top 3 Heavyweight.

Pulev and Klitschko's styles are not comparable, and I've actually watched both of them fight.

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:I dont know who or what a Kalan is , but i dont rely usually on boxrec stats , i know the Fighters that i talk about , only i didnt seen that particularly Fight .

He's another crap poster here, you'll probably get along well. You say you don't rely on boxrec stats yet so far the only criticisms you've levied against Pulev is that he struggled in a fight you hadn't seen, has a 52% KO percentage (that's a boxrec stat...), and is a hug machine which you would know is untrue if you'd seen him fight.

Niko1209 wrote:I have seen enough from Pulev to know what i am talking about and i watched nearly every Fight from Deontay Wilder to know that he is a very,very dangerous Opponent and not really overrated, only his Chin is questionable , because he didnt really got tested.

You've seen enough to talk about his struggles with Chisora

Niko1209 wrote:You are one of these Guys who says that Wilder and Haye are overrated because they didnt fought good opponents, but is defending Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin who fought barely better opponents and have mediocre athletic Ability at best.

Am I? Because I'm pretty sure neither Wilder or Haye made my overrated list in this very thread.

Niko1209 wrote:Athleticism is one of the most important Things in Boxing today, especially in the Heavyweight Division , Povetkin cant fight 12 Rounds at full power, he never did , therefore i have to say he is overrated , so is Kubrat Pulev.

Seth Mitchell outghta come get that belt then!

Niko1209 wrote:People say Wladimir Klitschko is overrated, what is then Pulev , he has the same Fighting Style without Klitschkos Athleticism and without Titles.
If Klitschko is overrated , Pulev has to be criminally overrated, because the most prominent Fighting Magazine has him as a Top 3 Heavyweight.

Pulev and Klitschko's styles are not comparable, and I've actually watched both of them fight.

1.I knew that he is not a great Puncher , i wanted to post the accurate Numbers and he gets very often in the clinch , to much for me , i dont like that at all
2.As i said i didnt watch that Fight , somebody told me that he struggled
3.These two Fighters were only an Example
4.I said Athleticism is very important, but it is not all , if you put Usain Bolt in a Boxing Ring, even Audley Harrison would knock him out in the first Round
5.Surely they are comparable , both have a Fighting Style ,that relies heavily on the Jab.

Niko1209 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:I dont know who or what a Kalan is , but i dont rely usually on boxrec stats , i know the Fighters that i talk about , only i didnt seen that particularly Fight .

He's another crap poster here, you'll probably get along well. You say you don't rely on boxrec stats yet so far the only criticisms you've levied against Pulev is that he struggled in a fight you hadn't seen, has a 52% KO percentage (that's a boxrec stat...), and is a hug machine which you would know is untrue if you'd seen him fight.

Niko1209 wrote:I have seen enough from Pulev to know what i am talking about and i watched nearly every Fight from Deontay Wilder to know that he is a very,very dangerous Opponent and not really overrated, only his Chin is questionable , because he didnt really got tested.

You've seen enough to talk about his struggles with Chisora

Niko1209 wrote:You are one of these Guys who says that Wilder and Haye are overrated because they didnt fought good opponents, but is defending Kubrat Pulev and Alexander Povetkin who fought barely better opponents and have mediocre athletic Ability at best.

Am I? Because I'm pretty sure neither Wilder or Haye made my overrated list in this very thread.

Niko1209 wrote:Athleticism is one of the most important Things in Boxing today, especially in the Heavyweight Division , Povetkin cant fight 12 Rounds at full power, he never did , therefore i have to say he is overrated , so is Kubrat Pulev.

Seth Mitchell outghta come get that belt then!

Niko1209 wrote:People say Wladimir Klitschko is overrated, what is then Pulev , he has the same Fighting Style without Klitschkos Athleticism and without Titles.
If Klitschko is overrated , Pulev has to be criminally overrated, because the most prominent Fighting Magazine has him as a Top 3 Heavyweight.

Pulev and Klitschko's styles are not comparable, and I've actually watched both of them fight.

1.I knew that he is not a great Puncher , i wanted to post the accurate Numbers and he gets very often in the clinch , to much for me , i dont like that at all
2.As i said i didnt watch that Fight , somebody told me that he struggled
3.These two Fighters were only an Example
4.I said Athleticism is very important, but it is not all , if you put Usain Bolt in a Boxing Ring, even Audley Harrison would knock him out in the first Round
5.Surely they are comparable , both have a Fighting Style ,that relies heavily on the Jab.

Well now that you've back tracked on pretty much everything you've said, perhaps it's time to move on.

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
He's another crap poster here, you'll probably get along well. You say you don't rely on boxrec stats yet so far the only criticisms you've levied against Pulev is that he struggled in a fight you hadn't seen, has a 52% KO percentage (that's a boxrec stat...), and is a hug machine which you would know is untrue if you'd seen him fight.



You've seen enough to talk about his struggles with Chisora



Am I? Because I'm pretty sure neither Wilder or Haye made my overrated list in this very thread.



Seth Mitchell outghta come get that belt then!



Pulev and Klitschko's styles are not comparable, and I've actually watched both of them fight.

1.I knew that he is not a great Puncher , i wanted to post the accurate Numbers and he gets very often in the clinch , to much for me , i dont like that at all
2.As i said i didnt watch that Fight , somebody told me that he struggled
3.These two Fighters were only an Example
4.I said Athleticism is very important, but it is not all , if you put Usain Bolt in a Boxing Ring, even Audley Harrison would knock him out in the first Round
5.Surely they are comparable , both have a Fighting Style ,that relies heavily on the Jab.

Well now that you've back tracked on pretty much everything you've said, perhaps it's time to move on.

No i didnt, i only tried to explain to you, but you don't understand , i don't need to justify my opinion to you , but i have tried to , seems like you live in an illusion now , where you think that you won our verbal Battle , when you wanna call it that way.
Seems like you don't understand english , i don't know from which Country you are , but english is not my Native Tongue.
I don't know in which Point i have back tracked in your opinion from my Original view , i am very interested my friend

Niko1209 wrote:No i didnt, i only tried to explain to you, but you don't understand , i don't need to justify my opinion to you , but i have tried to , seems like you live in an illusion now , where you think that you won our verbal Battle , when you wanna call it that way.
Seems like you don't understand english , i don't know from which Country you are , but english is not my Native Tongue.
I don't know in which Point i have back tracked in your opinion from my Original view , i am very interested my friend

We've had no verbal battle, and there is no need for you to justify your opinion to me as I simply don't care.

If you think Pulev is overrated, that's fine by me I literally could not care less. I think comparing styles because two fighters jab ( ) is a bit silly, as is commenting on fights you've never seen. The only reason I even replied to you in the first place is because I don't think joking about fighters dying in the ring is funny.

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:No i didnt, i only tried to explain to you, but you don't understand , i don't need to justify my opinion to you , but i have tried to , seems like you live in an illusion now , where you think that you won our verbal Battle , when you wanna call it that way.
Seems like you don't understand english , i don't know from which Country you are , but english is not my Native Tongue.
I don't know in which Point i have back tracked in your opinion from my Original view , i am very interested my friend

We've had no verbal battle, and there is no need for you to justify your opinion to me as I simply don't care.

If you think Pulev is overrated, that's fine by me I literally could not care less. I think comparing styles because two fighters jab ( ) is a bit silly, as is commenting on fights you've never seen. The only reason I even replied to you in the first place is because I don't think joking about fighters dying in the ring is funny.

I didn't joked about him dying , I joked about him landing on a stretcher which is far away from dying .
When Deontay Wilder is coming in the Ring with his Mask on , Pulev will sh** himself , so he has to jab with a chunk in his pants ,that doesn't make it easier for him

I disagree with pretty much everything, I think I'll write a bigger post later.

Niko1209 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:No i didnt, i only tried to explain to you, but you don't understand , i don't need to justify my opinion to you , but i have tried to , seems like you live in an illusion now , where you think that you won our verbal Battle , when you wanna call it that way.
Seems like you don't understand english , i don't know from which Country you are , but english is not my Native Tongue.
I don't know in which Point i have back tracked in your opinion from my Original view , i am very interested my friend

We've had no verbal battle, and there is no need for you to justify your opinion to me as I simply don't care.

If you think Pulev is overrated, that's fine by me I literally could not care less. I think comparing styles because two fighters jab ( ) is a bit silly, as is commenting on fights you've never seen. The only reason I even replied to you in the first place is because I don't think joking about fighters dying in the ring is funny.

I didn't joked about him dying , I joked about him landing on a stretcher which is far away from dying .
When Deontay Wilder is coming in the Ring with his Mask on , Pulev will sh** himself , so he has to jab with a chunk in his pants ,that doesn't make it easier for him

Dude why you are hating Pulev so much? It is like he f**ked your girl or something.....
I think he is a top heavyweight with really nice and dominant wins. His KO ratio is not great, but in the end other things are more important. He is a technician and his jab is second to none... just after Klitchko's one.

Cheers!

asdfjkl wrote:I disagree with pretty much everything, I think I'll write a bigger post later.

Thank God, then we'll get to the bottom of this! If I was a betting man I'd expect wilder to be overrated.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I disagree with pretty much everything, I think I'll write a bigger post later.

Thank God, then we'll get to the bottom of this!.

AJ overrated with casuals and underrated with hardcore fans.
Povetkin underrated his loss to wlad was the worst case of holding I've ever seen

Niko1209 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:No i didnt, i only tried to explain to you, but you don't understand , i don't need to justify my opinion to you , but i have tried to , seems like you live in an illusion now , where you think that you won our verbal Battle , when you wanna call it that way.
Seems like you don't understand english , i don't know from which Country you are , but english is not my Native Tongue.
I don't know in which Point i have back tracked in your opinion from my Original view , i am very interested my friend

We've had no verbal battle, and there is no need for you to justify your opinion to me as I simply don't care.

If you think Pulev is overrated, that's fine by me I literally could not care less. I think comparing styles because two fighters jab ( ) is a bit silly, as is commenting on fights you've never seen. The only reason I even replied to you in the first place is because I don't think joking about fighters dying in the ring is funny.

I didn't joked about him dying , I joked about him landing on a stretcher which is far away from dying .
When Deontay Wilder is coming in the Ring with his Mask on , Pulev will sh** himself , so he has to jab with a chunk in his pants ,that doesn't make it easier for him

A fighter lying on a stretcher with his wife "begging for his life" is not so far away from dying or at the best from serious injury. It is not humorous, it is not funny, it is not appropriate. These aren't soldiers, these are athletes that compete for money and a chance to entertain people. Maybe this is something I'm too sensitive about; maybe it's because I know people affected by in ring tragedy. Maybe it's because I suffered a pretty terrible concussion in my last fight and realized how dangerous the sport can be. I don't care if you think Pulev is overrated or not, that's immaterial. But it is disrespectful to joke about potentially life changing injuries or death for someone who is simply chasing their dreams in the ring.

world ranked wrote:Overrated: Big Baby Miller, Wilder, Hughie Fury
Underrated: Pulev

How is Miller overrated? I barely see his name mentioned at all.

punchoutsb wrote:Overrated: Ruiz Jr., Whyte, Breazeale, Chisora, Ortiz

Underrated: Wach, Pulev, Jennings, Hammer

Some interesting picks there. I can't see how Jennings is underrated and Ortiz is Overrated based on the nature of how Ortiz dealt with Jennings. Wach and Hammer are interesting ones aswell. Wach barely scraped past Teper who is no longer filled with chemical enhancers and he barely beat Nascimento who is terrible.

The Hammer choice is equally intriguing. His two best wins are again a declawed Teper and secondly a Price who was never any good to begin and lost against every significant opponent he faced.

Sagaroth wrote:

Niko1209 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
We've had no verbal battle, and there is no need for you to justify your opinion to me as I simply don't care.

If you think Pulev is overrated, that's fine by me I literally could not care less. I think comparing styles because two fighters jab ( ) is a bit silly, as is commenting on fights you've never seen. The only reason I even replied to you in the first place is because I don't think joking about fighters dying in the ring is funny.

I didn't joked about him dying , I joked about him landing on a stretcher which is far away from dying .
When Deontay Wilder is coming in the Ring with his Mask on , Pulev will sh** himself , so he has to jab with a chunk in his pants ,that doesn't make it easier for him

Dude why you are hating Pulev so much? It is like he f**ked your girl or something.....
I think he is a top heavyweight with really nice and dominant wins. His KO ratio is not great, but in the end other things are more important. He is a technician and his jab is second to none... just after Klitchko's one.

Cheers!

I don't hate him , i simply don't like him as a Boxer, i think he is boring.
And I think he couldn't win against one of the top Guys , I know that he is a good Boxer , but i can't simply see him as a World Champion.

asdfjkl wrote:I disagree with pretty much everything, I think I'll write a bigger post later.

Finally we have a Genius here , who disagrees , with pretty much everything , im interested about your Picks.
I think i explained very clear why i think that
Pulev and Povetkin are overrated and Wilder,Fury and Haye are underrated.
I will read your bigger post later , maybe you can convince me , and i have to disagree with my Post , but i don't think so

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I disagree with pretty much everything, I think I'll write a bigger post later.

Thank God, then we'll get to the bottom of this! If I was a betting man I'd expect wilder to be overrated.

Wilder can't be overrated, because he isn't accepted as a great Fighter by the majority
of Boxing Fans .
Everybody says he is overrated , maybe the
Media in the USA is overrating him, but the
general opinion is that he is overrated and
not good , i hope you can see my point
No matter what he does , it is not good enough
for the most boxing Fans.
The Guy is an entertaining, charismatic Fighter
with great Power and underrated boxing skills,
he still gets better , give the Man some Respect

To answer the original dual question;

Wlad.