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Mexi-Box wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Rances and Dejan probably do in Linares. Crazy that Dejan was getting touted as a huge favorite across forums against Linares. After getting KO'd by a p4p-caliber fighter like Mikey, it's like he doesn't exist. If Mikey didn't ruin him, I think Dejan can still beat some credible opponents.

I would probably pick Barthelemy over Linares, but as pointed out by others, Rances has relocated to 140. I don't think Zlaticanin is on Linares level though

Zlaticanin is on Linares' level. People had him rated as the #1 lightweight for a while, and when they were in talks, he was touted as a heavy favorite over Linares. I don't think Linares and Zlaticanin are on Mikey's level is what it is. I think Mikey beats everyone from 135 lbs. and down.

I agree Linares had the chance to fight Dejan and choose not to. Dejan lost to Garcia which make people discredit him. Dejan-Linares to me is more competitive than Garcia-Linares.

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:

jujigatame wrote:I think Barthelemy vacated his title at 135 to move to 140, which is why Easter and Commey fought for the vacant title. But BoxRec still ranks him at 135 because he hasn't fought at 140 yet.

Garcia/Linares is a huge fight that has P4P implications. Flanagan/Petrov is interesting, too. That's gotta be Flanagan's toughest defense yet.

so with rances leaving there aint no clear #1 since easter is new and garcia got a comeback....

rances is for real, hope him or dongo fight crawford. as far as 135, easter and garcia should fight, think they the 2 best in the division, linares, cant take a guy serious who lost to demarco.

The Demarco loss was nearly six years ago. Demarco may have lost six fights but most of those were to quality opponents. He put forth a relatively super human effort to defeat Linares that night.

Who besides Mikey can you definitively pick to defeat present day Linares?

easter and gamboa

I still think Zlat has a realistic chance of beating Linares, though Linares is definitely faster and more skillful. Linares does not have the KO firepower or stiff jab that Mikey has, and I think it would be harder for him to keep Zlat at bay. Zlat has decent timing on his power shots, and I think he has more pop on them than Crolla does. Crolla is a very tough guy, but he is quite basic and doesn't really have a notable physical talent.

Let's not forget that a few bouts ago Linares went life and death with Kevin Mitchell, going down and needing to come from behind to win in the 10th. Jorge is a very good fighter with some really impressive talents, but I can see him losing to multiple guys at 135.

The Mitchell that fought Linares was offensively sharper and more skilled than Zlat, though. Albeit Zlat may be physically tougher than Mitchell. I'd probably back Linares against him but not fulsomely

I would go with Linares too, probably by clear decision, but I still see him as a fairly vulnerable guy when matched at a high level. In Crolla he had someone who is very tough, but stylistically basic, not notably fast or hard hitting, and in Joe G fashion not willing to let his hands go for large stretches. Zlat is also limited compared to Linares, but I do think he punches harder than Crolla and unleashes his power more freely, and in my view he'd have a realistic chance of catching up to Linares with something big; that could be anything from scoring a knockdown in a losing effort, to getting a KO.

Similarly, it wouldn't remotely surprise me if someone like Robert Easter KOd Linares, though I have to admit that I often find it hard to move on from a fighter repeatedly showing signs of fragility, and I've probably underrated Linares's toughness a bit in the past.

Mikey Garcia is P4P #1

Lomachenko would get stopped by Garcia.
Garcia is more skilled.
Garcia is too big.

caldo2025 wrote:IT will be a good fight between Linares and Garcia but I think that Garcia wins that one and possibly wins by KO. We'll never see Lomachenko and Garcia fight so let's not even talk about it. I'm wondering if we'll even see Garcia get in there with Linares as Garcia is a cherry picker so far. 3 division champion and i can't think of one big fight he's had.

I would think Garcia is chomping at the bit to get in there with Linares.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:IT will be a good fight between Linares and Garcia but I think that Garcia wins that one and possibly wins by KO. We'll never see Lomachenko and Garcia fight so let's not even talk about it. I'm wondering if we'll even see Garcia get in there with Linares as Garcia is a cherry picker so far. 3 division champion and i can't think of one big fight he's had.

I would think Garcia is chomping at the bit to get in there with Linares.

We shall see. I hope that i'm wrong about Mike Garcia's second act of his boxing career . Up until now, he's played it as safe as he possibly could.

caldo2025 wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:IT will be a good fight between Linares and Garcia but I think that Garcia wins that one and possibly wins by KO. We'll never see Lomachenko and Garcia fight so let's not even talk about it. I'm wondering if we'll even see Garcia get in there with Linares as Garcia is a cherry picker so far. 3 division champion and i can't think of one big fight he's had.

I would think Garcia is chomping at the bit to get in there with Linares.

We shall see. I hope that i'm wrong about Mike Garcia's second act of his boxing career . Up until now, he's played it as safe as he possibly could.

No way. Mikey got in there with Salido with very little experience at a high level. IIRC, Salido was considered the #1 featherweight at the time coming off those dual upsets of Juanma. Then he fights Burgos who was tall, long skillful fighter at 130 lbs. Finally, after only taking one tuneup, he goes right after the former #1 lightweight in the world, Zlatcanin.

I don't know how you think that's playing it safe. Now, Mikey's in talks with the #1 LW in the world and very skillful boxer, Jorge Linares.

If Mikey beats Linares, he'd have been #1 across two weigh divisions and #1-3 at SFW.

People keep talking about Linares offensively but his defense is his downfail. Crolla didn't have the varied attack to really deter Linares. Garcia will have no such issue.

world ranked wrote:People keep talking about Linares offensively but his defense is his downfail. Crolla didn't have the varied attack to really deter Linares. Garcia will have no such issue.

Crolla is extremely tough, but he's pretty basic. It was a pointless rematch. Now, don't get me wrong, Crolla deserves props because getting past heavy-handed Barroso surprised the hell out of me.

Mexi-Box wrote:

world ranked wrote:People keep talking about Linares offensively but his defense is his downfail. Crolla didn't have the varied attack to really deter Linares. Garcia will have no such issue.

Crolla is extremely tough, but he's pretty basic. It was a pointless rematch. Now, don't get me wrong, Crolla deserves props because getting past heavy-handed Barroso surprised the hell out of me.

His style was taylor made for Linares. Come forward style, basic like you said with not a lot of power credit to hearn and Crolla for getting as far as they got.

Dejan getting a little too much hype on this thread. The guy is pretty good, but he's damn near 33 and has only had 1 meaningful win in his entire career, and Garcia absolutely annihilated him.

jujigatame wrote:Dejan getting a little too much hype on this thread. The guy is pretty good, but he's damn near 33 and has only had 1 meaningful win in his entire career, and Garcia absolutely annihilated him.

Fighters get caught. Linares got (annihilated) caught just like Dejan did. Matter a fact a few times lets not act like guys can't comeback from being caught.

jujigatame wrote:Dejan getting a little too much hype on this thread. The guy is pretty good, but he's damn near 33 and has only had 1 meaningful win in his entire career, and Garcia absolutely annihilated him.

I think Garcia would stop Linares pretty heavily too. How did you rate Kevin Mitchell? Just a few fights ago he dropped Linares and was ahead on the cards late in the contest.

I'd favour Linares to win a clear decision over Zlat, but I think the latter has a better chance of landing a game changing punch than Crolla did. Linares is still a vulnerable fighter in my opinion...

Heard Linares looked good this weekend not seen it yet.
Face of it yeah Garcia v Linares is an appealing bout and partial unification buys it juice.

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

I would think Garcia is chomping at the bit to get in there with Linares.

We shall see. I hope that i'm wrong about Mike Garcia's second act of his boxing career . Up until now, he's played it as safe as he possibly could.

No way. Mikey got in there with Salido with very little experience at a high level. IIRC, Salido was considered the #1 featherweight at the time coming off those dual upsets of Juanma. Then he fights Burgos who was tall, long skillful fighter at 130 lbs. Finally, after only taking one tuneup, he goes right after the former #1 lightweight in the world, Zlatcanin.

I don't know how you think that's playing it safe. Now, Mikey's in talks with the #1 LW in the world and very skillful boxer, Jorge Linares.

If Mikey beats Linares, he'd have been #1 across two weigh divisions and #1-3 at SFW.

Zlatcanin was a midget and Garcia cherrypicked that fight and belt. Anyone that didn't see how fluffed up Zlatcanin's resume was definitely fell for the promotion of the fight being way better than it was. Salido though, I will give to you however. One big win. Salido is as tough as they come so I can't say anything bad about that man.

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
We shall see. I hope that i'm wrong about Mike Garcia's second act of his boxing career . Up until now, he's played it as safe as he possibly could.

No way. Mikey got in there with Salido with very little experience at a high level. IIRC, Salido was considered the #1 featherweight at the time coming off those dual upsets of Juanma. Then he fights Burgos who was tall, long skillful fighter at 130 lbs. Finally, after only taking one tuneup, he goes right after the former #1 lightweight in the world, Zlatcanin.

I don't know how you think that's playing it safe. Now, Mikey's in talks with the #1 LW in the world and very skillful boxer, Jorge Linares.

If Mikey beats Linares, he'd have been #1 across two weigh divisions and #1-3 at SFW.

Zlatcanin was a midget and Garcia cherrypicked that fight and belt. Anyone that didn't see how fluffed up Zlatcanin's resume was definitely fell for the promotion of the fight being way better than it was. Salido though, I will give to you however. One big win. Salido is as tough as they come so I can't say anything bad about that man.

If Zlatcanin was so terrible, then why did so many favor him to beat Linares? I don't think you can cherrypick the former #1 LW in the world. The fact that you just said that shows you don't know anything.

Linares is a great fighter, puts his punches together so well, fast hands, slick. A very good operator

But Garcia would have too much for him, a classy fighter in his own right, would stop Linares I reckon

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: No way. Mikey got in there with Salido with very little experience at a high level. IIRC, Salido was considered the #1 featherweight at the time coming off those dual upsets of Juanma. Then he fights Burgos who was tall, long skillful fighter at 130 lbs. Finally, after only taking one tuneup, he goes right after the former #1 lightweight in the world, Zlatcanin.

I don't know how you think that's playing it safe. Now, Mikey's in talks with the #1 LW in the world and very skillful boxer, Jorge Linares.

If Mikey beats Linares, he'd have been #1 across two weigh divisions and #1-3 at SFW.

Zlatcanin was a midget and Garcia cherrypicked that fight and belt. Anyone that didn't see how fluffed up Zlatcanin's resume was definitely fell for the promotion of the fight being way better than it was. Salido though, I will give to you however. One big win. Salido is as tough as they come so I can't say anything bad about that man.

If Zlatcanin was so terrible, then why did so many favor him to beat Linares? I don't think you can cherrypick the former #1 LW in the world. The fact that you just said that shows you don't know anything.

Vacuums are what vacuums do.

crusader wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Dejan getting a little too much hype on this thread. The guy is pretty good, but he's damn near 33 and has only had 1 meaningful win in his entire career, and Garcia absolutely annihilated him.

I think Garcia would stop Linares pretty heavily too. How did you rate Kevin Mitchell? Just a few fights ago he dropped Linares and was ahead on the cards late in the contest.

I'd favour Linares to win a clear decision over Zlat, but I think the latter has a better chance of landing a game changing punch than Crolla did. Linares is still a vulnerable fighter in my opinion...

Linares can be fragile, and before his first fight with Crolla I thought he'd end up losing late like he often does against tough opponents. I still won't be shocked if it happens against Garcia, but Dejan? I'm just not seeing it.

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: No way. Mikey got in there with Salido with very little experience at a high level. IIRC, Salido was considered the #1 featherweight at the time coming off those dual upsets of Juanma. Then he fights Burgos who was tall, long skillful fighter at 130 lbs. Finally, after only taking one tuneup, he goes right after the former #1 lightweight in the world, Zlatcanin.

I don't know how you think that's playing it safe. Now, Mikey's in talks with the #1 LW in the world and very skillful boxer, Jorge Linares.

If Mikey beats Linares, he'd have been #1 across two weigh divisions and #1-3 at SFW.

Zlatcanin was a midget and Garcia cherrypicked that fight and belt. Anyone that didn't see how fluffed up Zlatcanin's resume was definitely fell for the promotion of the fight being way better than it was. Salido though, I will give to you however. One big win. Salido is as tough as they come so I can't say anything bad about that man.

If Zlatcanin was so terrible, then why did so many favor him to beat Linares? I don't think you can cherrypick the former #1 LW in the world. The fact that you just said that shows you don't know anything.

So you don't think that you could cherry pick world title belts? There's a bunch of that going on these days so the fact you don't know that makes you not smart. Zlatcanin was junk. You saw the fight. The guy was a midget and a very limited boxer. He'll never have another world title belt around his waist again.

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Zlatcanin was a midget and Garcia cherrypicked that fight and belt. Anyone that didn't see how fluffed up Zlatcanin's resume was definitely fell for the promotion of the fight being way better than it was. Salido though, I will give to you however. One big win. Salido is as tough as they come so I can't say anything bad about that man.

If Zlatcanin was so terrible, then why did so many favor him to beat Linares? I don't think you can cherrypick the former #1 LW in the world. The fact that you just said that shows you don't know anything.

So you don't think that you could cherry pick world title belts? There's a bunch of that going on these days so the fact you don't know that makes you not smart. Zlatcanin was junk. You saw the fight. The guy was a midget and a very limited boxer. He'll never have another world title belt around his waist again.

You can't cherry pick guys in the top 3, especially if they are the former #1 in the division. Yeah, I saw that fight. It was more that Mikey was just that great than Zlatcanin being "junk". Man, I'm surprised so many people who don't know anything about the sport hangs around this forum. It's rather crazy.

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: If Zlatcanin was so terrible, then why did so many favor him to beat Linares? I don't think you can cherrypick the former #1 LW in the world. The fact that you just said that shows you don't know anything.

So you don't think that you could cherry pick world title belts? There's a bunch of that going on these days so the fact you don't know that makes you not smart. Zlatcanin was junk. You saw the fight. The guy was a midget and a very limited boxer. He'll never have another world title belt around his waist again.

You can't cherry pick guys in the top 3, especially if they are the former #1 in the division. Yeah, I saw that fight. It was more that Mikey was just that great than Zlatcanin being "junk". Man, I'm surprised so many people who don't know anything about the sport hangs around this forum. It's rather crazy.

I know a limited boxer when i see one. Mark my words and watch what happens to Zlatcanin's career from here on out. I'm not claiming to be a genius, other people do that for me. It's very frustrating.

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
So you don't think that you could cherry pick world title belts? There's a bunch of that going on these days so the fact you don't know that makes you not smart. Zlatcanin was junk. You saw the fight. The guy was a midget and a very limited boxer. He'll never have another world title belt around his waist again.

You can't cherry pick guys in the top 3, especially if they are the former #1 in the division. Yeah, I saw that fight. It was more that Mikey was just that great than Zlatcanin being "junk". Man, I'm surprised so many people who don't know anything about the sport hangs around this forum. It's rather crazy.

I know a limited boxer when i see one. Mark my words and watch what happens to Zlatcanin's career from here on out. I'm not claiming to be a genius, other people do that for me. It's very frustrating.

Zlatićanin is a very solid fighter...Mikey is an excellent one...