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straali wrote:Much talk in mainstream media of Crolla moving up and fighting Ricky Burns.
While this may make sense to Eddie Hearn (Crolla seems to be a big ticket seller, possibly due to Mancunians seeking a new generation Ricky Hatton) it is insulting to Burns. What possible legitimacy is there with Crolla having no light welter credentials and Burns being a world titleholder (double belt holder if he defeats Indongo)?
It's crap like this, along with Sky's house-fighter cheerleading, that annoys me.

crolla in the 80s and 90s would have been domestic level....like a steve foster, a kid milo or johhny melfah,.....but in this day and age he was sold as main event world champion......and it stinks..............

Bricks wrote:crolla in the 80s and 90s would have been domestic level....like a steve foster, a kid milo or johhny melfah,.....but in this day and age he was sold as main event world champion......and it stinks..............

Wrong.

I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

If Burns was to lose I'd hate to see him used as cannon fodder to domestic up and comers or ticket sellers coming up in weight.

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

Is Indongo even that big of a puncher?

3 of his last 6 opponents have managed to go the full 12 rounds distance with him.

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

Is Indongo even that big of a puncher?

3 of his last 6 opponents have managed to go the full 12 rounds distance with him.

I just feel that Burns has lost some of his punch resistance.
He's had one of the best chins I've ever seen but I think Indongo hits hard enough to trouble him. Even in his distance wins I've been impressed with Indongos power. He throws unorthodox loopy shots that I feel will trouble Burns. Really hope I'm wrong but that's how I see it.

Bricks wrote:

straali wrote:Much talk in mainstream media of Crolla moving up and fighting Ricky Burns.
While this may make sense to Eddie Hearn (Crolla seems to be a big ticket seller, possibly due to Mancunians seeking a new generation Ricky Hatton) it is insulting to Burns. What possible legitimacy is there with Crolla having no light welter credentials and Burns being a world titleholder (double belt holder if he defeats Indongo)?
It's crap like this, along with Sky's house-fighter cheerleading, that annoys me.

crolla in the 80s and 90s would have been domestic level....like a steve foster, a kid milo or johhny melfah,.....but in this day and age he was sold as main event world champion......and it stinks..............

Burns is in the same boat. He's nowhere near world level yet we get fed this absurd sky hype that he's a triple weight world champion.

Poppycock.

I think Burns get KO'd too.

If he gets offered the Corolla fight then he should take it. Easy points decision....

CaptainSpacerod wrote:Burns is in the same boat. He's nowhere near world level yet we get fed this absurd sky hype that he's a triple weight world champion.

Poppycock.

Burns is world level.

He's a three weight world champion.

Matching promotional stablemates to keep the title in house is hardly a move unique to Matchroom.

It seems a fairly obvious match-up.

Ricky Burns is a world level fighter.. I don't believe he will ever be elite but how anyone can say he's not world level is crazy.. Boxing is all about getting the right fights. This fight against Indongo is interesting because he's a southpaw but in my opinion he's a poor southpaw. He is very open for burns Jab cross then body shot.. its a hard fight but I feel Ricky will win wide on points.. I think Burns would beat Linares.. The crops fight makes good money but is a very easy fight for Ricky

I don't see why Crolla should be giving up on a world title shot at lightweight.

Easter Jr. & Flanagan don't seem like unbeatable world champions.

Is Burns vs Crolla big enough to risk his lightweight future over?

Would be a good fight

Horse wrote:I don't see why Crolla should be giving up on a world title shot at lightweight.

Easter Jr. & Flanagan don't seem like unbeatable world champions.

Is Burns vs Crolla big enough to risk his lightweight future over?

He doesn't have a lightweight future. He's not getting Flaningan. Easter is on a different level to me. More explosive Linares to me. Crolla has had his lightweight run. Move on

Stuarty30 wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
Crawford isn't a bigger fight than Crolla? Eh

Broner over here or in the US is bigger than Crolla. I like Crolla, I'm a fan but you're being a bit too kind to him. If Burns loses against Indongo then Crolla makes sense.

Broner-Burns or Burns-Crawford 2 doesn't even sell 5k in the USA. There's not many drawers in the US. Crawford in Omaha. But for a rematch for a fight nobody claiming for no good. HBO wouldn't even buy Crawford-Burns 2. Broner-Porter didn't sell that well or even Maidana so Burns is going to sell

From Burns perspective Broner and Crawford are far bigger. If they can't get the money they want over the water then it's up to Hearn to bring em here.

All due respect to Crolla but he's coming off two defeats at the weight class below. Broner is a big draw and Crawford is one of the p4p best. There's no comparison. Crolla would be a decent fight but it's not something I see Burns going for.

How are they bigger draws. If they sell less tickets than Burns does in Glascow or Crolla in Manchester. Broner is only bigger in name. The money would be similar and a chance to keep the title In house with both guys thinking they have legit chance to win and extend there careers its no brainer
than to go over to US and fight in and half empty Arena for the same money. Nobody in the US is interested in Burns to fight here. Hearn understands this that why he brought it up.

world ranked wrote:He doesn't have a lightweight future. He's not getting Flaningan. Easter is on a different level to me. More explosive Linares to me. Crolla has had his lightweight run. Move on

Move on to a division that he's probably too small for? Seems pretty daft.

Easter Jr is fairly unproven and might not be that great. Flanagan has looked pretty unimpressive recently and looks beatable.

Crolla should attempt to force a mandatory fight if necessary. I don't see why he can't be fighting and possibly beating either Easter Jr or Flanagan within 18 months, if he hasn't lost too much after his last two fights.

Horse wrote:

world ranked wrote:He doesn't have a lightweight future. He's not getting Flaningan. Easter is on a different level to me. More explosive Linares to me. Crolla has had his lightweight run. Move on

Move on to a division that he's probably too small for? Seems pretty daft.

Easter Jr is fairly unproven and might not be that great. Flanagan has looked pretty unimpressive recently and looks beatable.

Crolla should attempt to force a mandatory fight if necessary. I don't see why he can't be fighting and possibly beating either Easter Jr or Flanagan within 18 months, if he hasn't lost too much after his last two fights.

If Crolla-Flaningan didn't get made as a unification its not getting made now. What reason would Flaningan need to fight Crolla. He has a belt that's worth a unification knowing that what Garcia wants to do. Even Verdejo is going to get his shot really soon. Be realistic!

world ranked wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

world ranked wrote:
Broner-Burns or Burns-Crawford 2 doesn't even sell 5k in the USA. There's not many drawers in the US. Crawford in Omaha. But for a rematch for a fight nobody claiming for no good. HBO wouldn't even buy Crawford-Burns 2. Broner-Porter didn't sell that well or even Maidana so Burns is going to sell

From Burns perspective Broner and Crawford are far bigger. If they can't get the money they want over the water then it's up to Hearn to bring em here.

All due respect to Crolla but he's coming off two defeats at the weight class below. Broner is a big draw and Crawford is one of the p4p best. There's no comparison. Crolla would be a decent fight but it's not something I see Burns going for.

How are they bigger draws. If they sell less tickets than Burns does in Glascow or Crolla in Manchester. Broner is only bigger in name. The money would be similar and a chance to keep the title In house with both guys thinking they have legit chance to win and extend there careers its no brainer
than to go over to US and fight in and half empty Arena for the same money. Nobody in the US is interested in Burns to fight here. Hearn understands this that why he brought it up.

If you think Crolla coming off two defeats and having never fought at 140 is a bigger fight for Burns than pound for pounder Crawford or multi-weight world champion Broner then you need your head looked at

Stuarty30 wrote:

world ranked wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:
From Burns perspective Broner and Crawford are far bigger. If they can't get the money they want over the water then it's up to Hearn to bring em here.

All due respect to Crolla but he's coming off two defeats at the weight class below. Broner is a big draw and Crawford is one of the p4p best. There's no comparison. Crolla would be a decent fight but it's not something I see Burns going for.

How are they bigger draws. If they sell less tickets than Burns does in Glascow or Crolla in Manchester. Broner is only bigger in name. The money would be similar and a chance to keep the title In house with both guys thinking they have legit chance to win and extend there careers its no brainer
than to go over to US and fight in and half empty Arena for the same money. Nobody in the US is interested in Burns to fight here. Hearn understands this that why he brought it up.

If you think Crolla coming off two defeats and having never fought at 140 is a bigger fight for Burns than pound for pounder Crawford or multi-weight world champion Broner then you need your head looked at

Please get the Crawford fight out of your mind. That fight isn't an option. Broner is only bigger in name. There money will be a little more with Broner. Its all about what Burns wants. Does he want to lose his titles just to say he fought the big names then go for it. Take that loss but UK fans will remember him for the domestic dust ups. Nobody will remember he lost to Crawford or Figueroa but his other great night winning and defending his title. There no fun in remembering Ricky Hatton near loss to Luis Collazo or getting stopped by FLoyd or Manny but they all will remember his crowning moment vs Tsyzu.

world ranked wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

world ranked wrote:
How are they bigger draws. If they sell less tickets than Burns does in Glascow or Crolla in Manchester. Broner is only bigger in name. The money would be similar and a chance to keep the title In house with both guys thinking they have legit chance to win and extend there careers its no brainer
than to go over to US and fight in and half empty Arena for the same money. Nobody in the US is interested in Burns to fight here. Hearn understands this that why he brought it up.

If you think Crolla coming off two defeats and having never fought at 140 is a bigger fight for Burns than pound for pounder Crawford or multi-weight world champion Broner then you need your head looked at

Please get the Crawford fight out of your mind. That fight isn't an option. Broner is only bigger in name. There money will be a little more with Broner. Its all about what Burns wants. Does he want to lose his titles just to say he fought the big names then go for it. Take that loss but UK fans will remember him for the domestic dust ups. Nobody will remember he lost to Crawford or Figueroa but his other great night winning and defending his title. There no fun in remembering Ricky Hatton near loss to Luis Collazo or getting stopped by FLoyd or Manny but they all will remember his crowning moment vs Tsyzu.

Crawford has said he wants the winner of Burns Indongo. Burns (if he wins) would rather have a chance at avenging his loss to Crawford. A very slim chance admittedly but that's the way Burns is. If the money isn't there in the US then Crawford or Broner over here is far bigger than Crolla. It's not even close.

It's got feck all to do with what people remember it's about your options at the time. If Burns loses next Crolla makes sense. If he wins he has more options available to him.

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

Is Indongo even that big of a puncher?

3 of his last 6 opponents have managed to go the full 12 rounds distance with him.

I have it on good authority he can't punch at all

bigped wrote:

Horse wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

Is Indongo even that big of a puncher?

3 of his last 6 opponents have managed to go the full 12 rounds distance with him.

I have it on good authority he can't punch at all

He knocked the IBF world champion out in 30 seconds!!

It's an exaggeration to say he can't punch at all, but that KO seems anomalous when looking at his other results. First round blowouts can be very misleading when taken on their own, and Indongo is still somewhat of a mystery man to me.

Would anyone really want to see a Crawford-Burns rematch? Crawford would absolutely hammer him this time.

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

He's left-handed

Counter-puncher wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:I think it will prove irrelevant. Can't see Burns avoiding Indingos right hand for 12 rounds.

He's left-handed

But if the left misses he swings back full torque with the right. Think it was Mabuza he caught with it and stunned him.