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Ossyrules wrote:So a gym buddy says the other is the hardest working guy he knows...

I said on another thread, if only I had a pound for every time I've heard that said.

The same people who rave about Spence mock Brook for not having fought anyone other than Porter. The irony is off the scale. They're probably the same who say GGG is nothing as he hasn't fought good opposition.

We'll see fight night what Spence is all about. But until then. This guy is just a prospect. Says he works hard is the same as 90% of boxers who take it seriously.

I like Brook, said he would be GGG's toughest test. I think Errol is better. Sorry.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:So a gym buddy says the other is the hardest working guy he knows...

I said on another thread, if only I had a pound for every time I've heard that said.

The same people who rave about Spence mock Brook for not having fought anyone other than Porter. The irony is off the scale. They're probably the same who say GGG is nothing as he hasn't fought good opposition.

We'll see fight night what Spence is all about. But until then. This guy is just a prospect. Says he works hard is the same as 90% of boxers who take it seriously.

I like Brook, said he would be GGG's toughest test. I think Errol is better. Sorry.

No apology needed? You pick who you like!

I'm a Brook fan and no offense to his ability or heart but he's going to take a beating in this one. There's no other way I can see this one going when I picture it in my mind.

This is Spence's coming out party and he's knows that if he wins it, the world cannot duck him any longer. With a strap, he can begin dictating his future and not only does Brook stand in his way but it appears that Brook and his team are going to try to get under his skin and now make him angry.

We aren't talking about a Shawn Porter type talent here. Brook won't be able to manhandle Spence like he did Porter. Spence's chances lower if the fight goes to the cards so Spence is going for a KO and I think he gets it.

anyone offering odds on Brook missing weight?

Counter-puncher wrote:anyone offering odds on Brook missing weight?

Do you know something? I'd be surprised if he misses weight he's a good professional and knows what he's doing

Counter-puncher wrote:anyone offering odds on Brook missing weight?

No, what odds would you want on Brook using weight as the reason for why he lost though?

Spence by KO/TKO or Brook by judges.

IT wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:anyone offering odds on Brook missing weight?

No, what odds would you want on Brook using weight as the reason for why he lost though?

Accumulator on both

If brook says he didn't feel strong at the weight, or making 147 after the 160 fight drained himself too much it shouldn't be viewed or used as an excuse. He's agreed to the fight as he's a proud 147 champion.

If people want to seek out excuses to hate on someone they can, but you also have to be realistic. When Roy Jones came back down in weight the boxing world said it was too draining for his body to do heavy then straight back to 175. Why did floyd set Canelo a catch weight below his fighting weight? Why did cotto set restrictions on weight when he was defending 160 belt? Weight is important, and it's a real threat to brook how he will be at 147 after bulking up. History proves this.

However it absolutely shouldn't go against Spence if he wins. There should be no * against his w over brook as brook struggled with weight. I have every respect for him to come over to England to challenge. Just like I did lacy, mcclennan, Bradley etc. As far as I'm concerned he's taking on the biggest challenge at his weight and if he wins, his achievement outweighs anything Thurman the other champion has achieved.

Yeah you have to love Spence's willingness to take the tough one away from home. Could call it an ominous confidence. You have to love both of them for giving us the fight I guess.

I'm making no judgments on the weight making excuse, by the way, just saying it's 100% guaranteed it will be brought up, and a move to 154 confirmed, if he does lose.

Counter-puncher wrote:Yeah you have to love Spence's willingness to take the tough one away from home. Could call it an ominous confidence. You have to love both of them for giving us the fight I guess.

I'm making no judgments on the weight making excuse, by the way, just saying it's 100% guaranteed it will be brought up, and a move to 154 confirmed, if he does lose.

You'll be able to tell, the legs is where it hits you. Roy seemed fine to me. Hearns after the andries fight had spaghetti legs vs roldan. Either way, Kell is going to lose and move up.

Tanzio wrote:

SFW wrote:

Tanzio wrote: What happens if Spence just gets his ass kicked and loses a legit, unanimous, wide decision?

Loses a legit decision? By far the least likely of outcomes? Well then Kell finally has that 2nd legit win to go along with the laundry list of cab drivers and ass wipers.

Why is it the least likely of outcomes?

Because the word "legit" is in there. Get handed a bogus unearned decision is much more likely, so is Spence beating him every round or busting that eye again to force a stoppage, hell even Brook landing a bomb and getting a lol knockout is more likely and we all know that is not happening.

SFW wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

SFW wrote:
Loses a legit decision? By far the least likely of outcomes? Well then Kell finally has that 2nd legit win to go along with the laundry list of cab drivers and ass wipers.

Why is it the least likely of outcomes?

Because the word "legit" is in there. Get handed a bogus unearned decision is much more likely, so is Spence beating him every round or busting that eye again to force a stoppage, hell even Brook landing a bomb and getting a lol knockout is more likely and we all know that is not happening.

Spence beat Brook every round is more likely Brook winning a decision?

If Spence wins a shut out decision I'd be absolutely amazed. That simply won't happen. Do you have a serious prediction? Spence is marginal favourite with British bookies so I accept people thinking Spence wins btw. But brook gets underrated on these forums imo

Ossyrules wrote:

SFW wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Why is it the least likely of outcomes?

Because the word "legit" is in there. Get handed a bogus unearned decision is much more likely, so is Spence beating him every round or busting that eye again to force a stoppage, hell even Brook landing a bomb and getting a lol knockout is more likely and we all know that is not happening.

Spence beat Brook every round is more likely Brook winning a decision?

If Spence wins a shut out decision I'd be absolutely amazed. That simply won't happen. Do you have a serious prediction? Spence is marginal favourite with British bookies so I accept people thinking Spence wins btw. But brook gets underrated on these forums imo

A LEGIT decision yes.. There's no way in hell Spence wins a shut out decision even if he dropped Brook every round, it simply won't be scored fairly. Golovkin fight had atrocious scorecards favoring the hometown fighter who was clearly getting beaten. It will happen again, guaranteed. You want a serious prediction, ok.

Kell EARNS 3-4 rounds, gets HANDED 7 rounds, and he gets to pretend he won. His eye socket gets broken again, with a broken rib on top. Spence laughs at the scorecards, because everyone saw who really won. We get to hear their built in excuse about the weight drop affecting Kell's performance, the blah blah blah he's tougher than I thought crap, and always be referred back to that one round he won against GGG as undeniable proof Kell Brook is the second coming of Christ.

I'd much prefer a knockout either way, a true ending completely out of the hands of the three blind mice scoring ringside. But I don't see either guy getting knocked out. This is likely a distance fight. So predicting what these judges are, without consequence, going to do is hard. Let's revisit this topic after the fight.

Ossyrules wrote:So a gym buddy says the other is the hardest working guy he knows...

I said on another thread, if only I had a pound for every time I've heard that said.

The same people who rave about Spence mock Brook for not having fought anyone other than Porter. The irony is off the scale. They're probably the same who say GGG is nothing as he hasn't fought good opposition.

We'll see fight night what Spence is all about. But until then. This guy is just a prospect. Says he works hard is the same as 90% of boxers who take it seriously.

The difference is Spence hasnt been a pro 12+ years like Brook has, in relation to opposition.

SFW wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SFW wrote:
Because the word "legit" is in there. Get handed a bogus unearned decision is much more likely, so is Spence beating him every round or busting that eye again to force a stoppage, hell even Brook landing a bomb and getting a lol knockout is more likely and we all know that is not happening.

Spence beat Brook every round is more likely Brook winning a decision?

If Spence wins a shut out decision I'd be absolutely amazed. That simply won't happen. Do you have a serious prediction? Spence is marginal favourite with British bookies so I accept people thinking Spence wins btw. But brook gets underrated on these forums imo

A LEGIT decision yes.. There's no way in hell Spence wins a shut out decision even if he dropped Brook every round, it simply won't be scored fairly. Golovkin fight had atrocious scorecards favoring the hometown fighter who was clearly getting beaten. It will happen again, guaranteed. You want a serious prediction, ok.

Kell EARNS 3-4 rounds, gets HANDED 7 rounds, and he gets to pretend he won. His eye socket gets broken again, with a broken rib on top. Spence laughs at the scorecards, because everyone saw who really won. We get to hear their built in excuse about the weight drop affecting Kell's performance, the blah blah blah he's tougher than I thought crap, and always be referred back to that one round he won against GGG as undeniable proof Kell Brook is the second coming of Christ.

I'd much prefer a knockout either way, a true ending completely out of the hands of the three blind mice scoring ringside. But I don't see either guy getting knocked out. This is likely a distance fight. So predicting what these judges are, without consequence, going to do is hard. Let's revisit this topic after the fight.

Don't say Spence wins beats brook every round is more likely than a Brook legit decision then?

GGG fight wasn't scored great, but there was only 4 rounds to score. If you've gave brook one round, then your only a round out from 2 of the 3 judges. Have some perspective. That fight was never going to need the judges either. And there were no Brits scoring that fight fyi.

Not bad prediction. Think you need a little more brook hate, second coming of Christ just isn't enough.

IT wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:So a gym buddy says the other is the hardest working guy he knows...

I said on another thread, if only I had a pound for every time I've heard that said.

The same people who rave about Spence mock Brook for not having fought anyone other than Porter. The irony is off the scale. They're probably the same who say GGG is nothing as he hasn't fought good opposition.

We'll see fight night what Spence is all about. But until then. This guy is just a prospect. Says he works hard is the same as 90% of boxers who take it seriously.

The difference is Spence hasnt been a pro 12+ years like Brook has, in relation to opposition.

It's a fair point, but it's not the exact point people are making. It's being said that spence is "the goods" and brook hasn't fought anyone. But he has, Porter, Spence is the one not fought anyone.

There is no answer to your point though brook took too long to get to the top.

I had often wondered if Spence would get any credit for destroying Algieri, and I was right. It was a step up, but still not a great win most say. If you look back though, Algieri beat the mighty Provo, took his best shots and ended on his feet. Pacquiao couldn't stop him. Khan called him an A class opponent, and went life and death eeking out a win.
Although common opponents aren't always good to gauge by, it should raise some eyebrows, when a prospect does better than so called elite guys. Same with Bundu. Thurman couldn't stop him, but Spence did. (The Bundu fight was after the #1 ranked guy Ponomarev declined to fight Spence if I remember right) Spence's win over Bundu wasn't great because of his age I guess.

Brook could have a great resume, if he would have followed through with the following fights: Bradley, Alexander, Rios, Chavez, Vargas. His pattern of not fighting top competition makes me wonder.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Yeah you have to love Spence's willingness to take the tough one away from home. Could call it an ominous confidence. You have to love both of them for giving us the fight I guess.

I'm making no judgments on the weight making excuse, by the way, just saying it's 100% guaranteed it will be brought up, and a move to 154 confirmed, if he does lose.

You'll be able to tell, the legs is where it hits you. Roy seemed fine to me. Hearns after the andries fight had spaghetti legs vs roldan. Either way, Kell is going to lose and move up.

You mean if the weight is badly affecting brook we will know earlyish? yeah I'd definitely agree

Ossyrules wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:anyone offering odds on Brook missing weight?

Do you know something? I'd be surprised if he misses weight he's a good professional and knows what he's doing

I probably wouldn't bet on it at evens but offer me 3/1 I'd have a think about it