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If Canelo can successfully retain his power at 160lbs, then he has the tools to defeat Danny Jacobs.

The Mexican would have to use the jab as his primary weapon and also set-up traps to create counter-punching opportunities against the constantly retreating American, who seemed to tire down the home stretch against Golovkin, despite retaining a fairly decent work-rate during those final few rounds.

Jacobs isn’t as elusive as Mayweather, Lara or Trout, which means he would provide ample opportunity for Alvarez to land hurtful shots.

However, the great unknown question that needs answered relates to the robustness of Canelo’s chin, which was surprisingly tested heavily at times against Mayweather. So this makes me wonder if the blows from a 180lb heavy-handed Jacobs would be too much for him.

Canelo has the strength, youth and conditioning to out-work, out-jab and box his way to a decision victory against Jacobs, but in order to do so, he’d have to be durable and elusive enough to withstand and avoid the American’s biggest blows... and I personally have my doubts as to whether he is able to do this.

Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

boxing_rocks wrote:Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

Golovkin’s most effective weapon against Jacobs was the jab and Canelo is about the same height as GGG… or at least he looks that way from the various photos that I’ve seen of the pair together, as well as other fighters of a similar height.





I personally feel it’s a bit farfetched to lay claim that “Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs”, especially when you consider the fact that Golovkin almost certainly wasn’t dwarfed by the American.

In terms of reach, Canelo’s is half an inch longer than Golovkin’s… and GGG’s jab was extremely effective against the American.

By the way, the camera angles of these photos weren’t taken from misleading camera angles, since there are also videos that concur with the vast majority of these photos (barring the Canelo-GGG training camp photos).

Golovkin is only very slightly taller than Canelo and Jacobs would not make the Mexican look like a midget. That’s a preposterous exaggeration.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

Golovkin’s most effective weapon against Jacobs was the jab and Canelo is about the same height as GGG… or at least he looks that way from the various photos that I’ve seen of the pair together, as well as other fighters of a similar height.





I personally feel it’s a bit farfetched to lay claim that “Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs”, especially when you consider the fact that Golovkin almost certainly wasn’t dwarfed by the American.

In terms of reach, Canelo’s is half an inch longer than Golovkin’s… and GGG’s jab was extremely effective against the American.

By the way, the camera angles of these photos weren’t taken from misleading camera angles, since there are also videos that concur with the vast majority of these photos (barring the Canelo-GGG training camp photos).

Golovkin is only very slightly taller than Canelo and Jacobs would not make the Mexican look like a midget. That’s a preposterous exaggeration.

There's not much in it, but talking from a general physical aspect, Canelo is smaller by virtue of fighting at a lower weight. He's a light middle come middle. GGG is a career middle

Canelo desperately tries to hide his short height. Jacobs has at least 3 inches of height and reach advantage.

Ossyrules wrote:There's not much in it, but talking from a general physical aspect, Canelo is smaller by virtue of fighting at a lower weight. He's a light middle come middle. GGG is a career middle

I agree with your sentiments, but the discrepancy would not be significant, since Canelo’s youth has allowed him to “allegedly” rehydrate as much as 20lbs between the official weigh-in and when he steps foot inside the ring on fight night.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:There's not much in it, but talking from a general physical aspect, Canelo is smaller by virtue of fighting at a lower weight. He's a light middle come middle. GGG is a career middle

I agree with your sentiments, but the discrepancy would not be significant, since Canelo’s youth has allowed him to “allegedly” rehydrate as much as 20lbs between the official weigh-in and when he steps foot inside the ring on fight night.

No there wouldn't be any significant differences. Except golovkin is more versed to fighting bigger men. Though Canelo is fighting a big guy in his next fight...

As for the jab, I guess the question is, is canelos jab as good as the golovkin jab? Or better? Reach is not everything as I'm sure you know

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:There's not much in it, but talking from a general physical aspect, Canelo is smaller by virtue of fighting at a lower weight. He's a light middle come middle. GGG is a career middle

I agree with your sentiments, but the discrepancy would not be significant, since Canelo’s youth has allowed him to “allegedly” rehydrate as much as 20lbs between the official weigh-in and when he steps foot inside the ring on fight night.

No there wouldn't be any significant differences. Except golovkin is more versed to fighting bigger men. Though Canelo is fighting a big guy in his next fight...

As for the jab, I guess the question is, is canelos jab as good as the golovkin jab? Or better? Reach is not everything as I'm sure you know

Canelo’s jab is excellent and in terms of skill-set, he has more weapons at his disposal than Golovkin does… or at least what he has shown inside the ring in recent years. So I feel that Alvarez has a greater capacity to adapt his gameplan than GGG does.

That’s not to say that Gennady can’t box, because he really can, it’s just that he rarely alters his fighting style from fight-to-fight, whereas we've all seen Canelo playing the role of the counter-puncher and the aggressive stalker.

That being said, the two main advantages that GGG possesses over Canelo are his punching power and durability, which are both extraordinary.

Whilst I reckon that Alvarez will have enough power to gain Jacob’s respect, which means his jab can be effective if he employs it correctly… I’m not so sure about what will happen to Canelo if the American returns fire and lands one of his own heavy blows flush on the target.

In terms of Canelo not facing “bigger” men as often as Golovkin has, that might be negated by the fact that neither Jacobs or Golovkin has mixed with opposition anywhere near as good as he has... and nor have they competed in as many big occasion marquee bouts.

What a f*cking idiot. Canelo skills, especially footwork and jab are nowhere near Golovkin's. Every time he has a good boxer in front of him (Trout, Mayweather, Lara), his lack of skill shows.

boxing_rocks wrote:What a f*cking idiot. Canelo skills, especially footwork and jab are nowhere near Golovkin's. Every time he has a good boxer in front of him (Trout, Mayweather, Lara), his lack of skill shows.

The problem is… Golovkin hasn’t fought anyone anywhere near as accomplished or as skillful as Lara and Mayweather... and when he faced Jacobs, who only had vaguely comparable skills to those guys, GGG struggled.

I also believe that Canelo beat Trout comfortably and earned his close victory over Lara.

So my comments are in the context of calibre of opposition.

Why do you keep reading and responding to my posts, since all you do is swear and become over-emotional?

Enlightened-One wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: I agree with your sentiments, but the discrepancy would not be significant, since Canelo’s youth has allowed him to “allegedly” rehydrate as much as 20lbs between the official weigh-in and when he steps foot inside the ring on fight night.

No there wouldn't be any significant differences. Except golovkin is more versed to fighting bigger men. Though Canelo is fighting a big guy in his next fight...

As for the jab, I guess the question is, is canelos jab as good as the golovkin jab? Or better? Reach is not everything as I'm sure you know

Canelo’s jab is excellent and in terms of skill-set, he has more weapons at his disposal than Golovkin does… or at least what he has shown inside the ring in recent years. So I feel that Alvarez has a greater capacity to adapt his gameplan than GGG does.

That’s not to say that Gennady can’t box, because he really can, it’s just that he rarely alters his fighting style from fight-to-fight, whereas we've all seen Canelo playing the role of the counter-puncher and the aggressive stalker.

That being said, the two main advantages that GGG possesses over Canelo are his punching power and durability, which are both extraordinary.

Whilst I reckon that Alvarez will have enough power to gain Jacob’s respect, which means his jab can be effective if he employs it correctly… I’m not so sure about what will happen to Canelo if the American returns fire and lands one of his own heavy blows flush on the target.

In terms of Canelo not facing “bigger” men as often as Golovkin has, that might be negated by the fact that neither Jacobs or Golovkin has mixed with opposition anywhere near as good as he has... and nor have they competed in as many big occasion marquee bouts.

I'm not sold his jab is better tbh. I'd concede Canelo has better speed, and has fought more varied. But golovkin plan a hasn't failed yet, so we're yet to find out if he has plan b

Canelo has faced better opposition (Lara, mayweather) so whilst he has experienced the difficulties of facing high class operators, it's not the same as facing bigger men. The physical challenge is different

They would both be semi-elusive (Jacobs is a bit of a matador, and Alvarez moves his head a lot). I don't think either fighter would get hit too much, and it would easily go to a decision. There's a decent chance that Jacobs would unofficially outpoint Alvarez, due to fairly substantial height and reach advantages. But I think it's unlikely that Jacobs would get the official decision.

Lackeos wrote:They would both be semi-elusive (Jacobs is a bit of a matador, and Alvarez moves his head a lot). I don't think either fighter would get hit too much, and it would easily go to a decision. There's a decent chance that Jacobs would unofficially outpoint Alvarez, due to fairly substantial height and reach advantages. But I think it's unlikely that Jacobs would get the official decision. Jacobs' best chance of victory is to go to the body a lot like he did against Golovkin, because that would completely negate Alvarez's active head movement.

Jacobs went to Golovkin's body A LOT ? I must have seen some other fight where Jacobs was hitting Golovkin's arms a lot.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Lackeos wrote:They would both be semi-elusive (Jacobs is a bit of a matador, and Alvarez moves his head a lot). I don't think either fighter would get hit too much, and it would easily go to a decision. There's a decent chance that Jacobs would unofficially outpoint Alvarez, due to fairly substantial height and reach advantages. But I think it's unlikely that Jacobs would get the official decision. Jacobs' best chance of victory is to go to the body a lot like he did against Golovkin, because that would completely negate Alvarez's active head movement.

Jacobs went to Golovkin's body A LOT ? I must have seen some other fight where Jacobs was hitting Golovkin's arms a lot.

My bad. I recently watched Walters - Sosa and Jacobs - Golovkin and I mixed them up. But just in case someone asks... Walters went to Sosa's body a lot.

Lackeos wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Lackeos wrote:They would both be semi-elusive (Jacobs is a bit of a matador, and Alvarez moves his head a lot). I don't think either fighter would get hit too much, and it would easily go to a decision. There's a decent chance that Jacobs would unofficially outpoint Alvarez, due to fairly substantial height and reach advantages. But I think it's unlikely that Jacobs would get the official decision. Jacobs' best chance of victory is to go to the body a lot like he did against Golovkin, because that would completely negate Alvarez's active head movement.

Jacobs went to Golovkin's body A LOT ? I must have seen some other fight where Jacobs was hitting Golovkin's arms a lot.

My bad. I recently watched Walters - Sosa and Jacobs - Golovkin and I mixed them up. But just in case someone asks... Walters went to Sosa's body a lot.

IKSRTFO wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: You really think Canelo will be able to overcome the gigantic reach and height advantage? Also, I'm laughing at you thinking Jacobs will sit in the pocket. Canelo will get jabbed to death. Canelo didn't even hurt tiny Cotto, but you think he's going to KO Jacobs who took Golovkin 12? Put whatever your smoking down, man.

Honestly man, I think Canelo is pumping in some PEDS now. To me, he looks like a completely different person since the Lara fight. He's ripped up, faster hand speed and his power has become very dangerous. I get your point, he didn't knock out Cotto after landing some big shots. But his last two KO were pretty spectacular (Khan to sleep with one shot and a body shot to KO Smith). Not many people win a world title on a body shot.

I don't think it's natural though and I'm not a fan of Canelo, just my opinion. I think he saw how bad he was in that Lara fight and how embarrassingly slow he looked and that's when i think people decide to cheat. When their backs are against the wall. I hope that i'm wrong.

A middleweight putting Khan to sleep isn't impressive. Jacobs would've done the same thing.

Everyone is pumping Jacobs tires now. I'm not buying into it. I think that fight had more to do about how badly GGG fought than how well Jacobs did. GGG had a horrible night and still won. How Jacobs switching to a southpaw stance caused GGG and Sanchez so many problems surprises me, but GGG demolishes him in a rematch. Jacobs had a great gameplay and his sneak attack and weight gain worked and fooled GGG but he needed gadgets to stay in that fight and barely made it through it. Big Deal

caldo2025 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
Honestly man, I think Canelo is pumping in some PEDS now. To me, he looks like a completely different person since the Lara fight. He's ripped up, faster hand speed and his power has become very dangerous. I get your point, he didn't knock out Cotto after landing some big shots. But his last two KO were pretty spectacular (Khan to sleep with one shot and a body shot to KO Smith). Not many people win a world title on a body shot.

I don't think it's natural though and I'm not a fan of Canelo, just my opinion. I think he saw how bad he was in that Lara fight and how embarrassingly slow he looked and that's when i think people decide to cheat. When their backs are against the wall. I hope that i'm wrong.

A middleweight putting Khan to sleep isn't impressive. Jacobs would've done the same thing.

Everyone is pumping Jacobs tires now. I'm not buying into it. I think that fight had more to do about how badly GGG fought than how well Jacobs did. GGG had a horrible night and still won. How Jacobs switching to a southpaw stance caused GGG and Sanchez so many problems surprises me, but GGG demolishes him in a rematch. Jacobs had a great gameplay and his sneak attack and weight gain worked and fooled GGG but he needed gadgets to stay in that fight and barely made it through it. Big Deal

The worst Jacobs would still knock Khan out cold.

Jacobs would give Canelo a belting and knock him out in 8 round's easy work for tha Miracle Man

Canelo fans are the worst.
Canelo barely eeked out a win against Lara and Trout.
Fights he used his weight advantage (170+) to apply pressure.

Against Jacobs, he would finally be the smaller man/equal sized.
Jacobs is a better fighter and stronger and faster.

Canelo never takes a fight like this.
He'll just load up and weigh 180+ versus GGG and hope to make it 12 rounds for a BS decision.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Canelo fans are the worst.
Canelo barely eeked out a win against Lara and Trout.
Fights he used his weight advantage (170+) to apply pressure.

Against Jacobs, he would finally be the smaller man/equal sized.
Jacobs is a better fighter and stronger and faster.

Canelo never takes a fight like this.
He'll just load up and weigh 180+ versus GGG and hope to make it 12 rounds for a BS decision.

He will also bribe crooked VADA to administer only urine and no blood tests which is happening now.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

Golovkin’s most effective weapon against Jacobs was the jab and Canelo is about the same height as GGG… or at least he looks that way from the various photos that I’ve seen of the pair together, as well as other fighters of a similar height.





I personally feel it’s a bit farfetched to lay claim that “Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs”, especially when you consider the fact that Golovkin almost certainly wasn’t dwarfed by the American.

In terms of reach, Canelo’s is half an inch longer than Golovkin’s… and GGG’s jab was extremely effective against the American.

By the way, the camera angles of these photos weren’t taken from misleading camera angles, since there are also videos that concur with the vast majority of these photos (barring the Canelo-GGG training camp photos).

Golovkin is only very slightly taller than Canelo and Jacobs would not make the Mexican look like a midget. That’s a preposterous exaggeration.

The photos of Canelo and GGG together are misleading, as GGG is clearly the taller of the two. By listed heights he is 1.5 inches taller, but in reality the difference is more like 3 inches. I'd say 5'10.5" is accurate for GGG, whereas Canelo is really more like 5'7.5", as he looked shorter than the 5'8" Mayweather and barely taller than the 5'7" Cotto. No way is Canelo more than 5'8". That said, he's no lighter than GGG and there's nothing in their reach.

jezzamundo wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

Golovkin’s most effective weapon against Jacobs was the jab and Canelo is about the same height as GGG… or at least he looks that way from the various photos that I’ve seen of the pair together, as well as other fighters of a similar height.





I personally feel it’s a bit farfetched to lay claim that “Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs”, especially when you consider the fact that Golovkin almost certainly wasn’t dwarfed by the American.

In terms of reach, Canelo’s is half an inch longer than Golovkin’s… and GGG’s jab was extremely effective against the American.

By the way, the camera angles of these photos weren’t taken from misleading camera angles, since there are also videos that concur with the vast majority of these photos (barring the Canelo-GGG training camp photos).

Golovkin is only very slightly taller than Canelo and Jacobs would not make the Mexican look like a midget. That’s a preposterous exaggeration.

The photos of Canelo and GGG together are misleading, as GGG is clearly the taller of the two. By listed heights he is 1.5 inches taller, but in reality the difference is more like 3 inches. I'd say 5'10.5" is accurate for GGG, whereas Canelo is really more like 5'7.5", as he looked shorter than the 5'8" Mayweather and barely taller than the 5'7" Cotto. No way is Canelo more than 5'8". That said, he's no lighter than GGG and there's nothing in their reach.

Like I said before, I believe that Golovkin is actually taller than Canelo and unfortunately I can’t find any other photos of the two together to provide a more accurate perspective.

Enlightened-One wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs. I doubt that his jabs will be reaching the target. Getting close and going to the body is his only hope, but will Jacobs let him get close? I doubt.

Golovkin’s most effective weapon against Jacobs was the jab and Canelo is about the same height as GGG… or at least he looks that way from the various photos that I’ve seen of the pair together, as well as other fighters of a similar height.





I personally feel it’s a bit farfetched to lay claim that “Hight/reach wise, Canelo is a midget compared to Jacobs”, especially when you consider the fact that Golovkin almost certainly wasn’t dwarfed by the American.

In terms of reach, Canelo’s is half an inch longer than Golovkin’s… and GGG’s jab was extremely effective against the American.

By the way, the camera angles of these photos weren’t taken from misleading camera angles, since there are also videos that concur with the vast majority of these photos (barring the Canelo-GGG training camp photos).

Golovkin is only very slightly taller than Canelo and Jacobs would not make the Mexican look like a midget. That’s a preposterous exaggeration.

Canelo uses pumps because he's about the same height as Cotto, maybe half an inch taller. I think Canelo is more 5'7" even while Cotto is around 5' 6.5".

Mexi-Box wrote:Canelo uses pumps because he's about the same height as Cotto, maybe half an inch taller. I think Canelo is more 5'7" even while Cotto is around 5' 6.5".

I never claimed that Canelo was the same height or even taller than Golovkin. I simply claimed that Canelo won't look like a "midget" or a "pigmy" compared to Danny Jacobs.

I also personally doubt that Canelo would have trained in "pumps" for the photos that was taken of himself and Golovkin in the gym, since I can only imagine it being rather impractical to work-out wearing a pair of platform boots.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:Canelo uses pumps because he's about the same height as Cotto, maybe half an inch taller. I think Canelo is more 5'7" even while Cotto is around 5' 6.5".

I never claimed that Canelo was the same height or even taller than Golovkin. I simply claimed that Canelo won't look like a "midget" or a "pigmy" compared to Danny Jacobs.

I also personally doubt that Canelo would have trained in "pumps" for the photos that was taken of himself and Golovkin in the gym, since I can only imagine it being rather impractical to work-out wearing a pair of platform boots.

The picture with them doing the double biceps has Canelo up in front of GGG. Could explain the height thing. The other looks like Canelo just arrived or something. The guy's like a chameleon with his height. It changes so damn much.