BoxRec

Its incredible game and I mighty like it...

Wilde
LaBarba
Villa
Perez
Barry
Lynch
Kane
Bhorkhasor
Newsboy
Genaro

Here's mine:

1 Jimmy Wilde
2 Pancho Villa
3 Fidel LaBarba
4 Pascual Perez
5 Frankie Genaro
6 Rinty Monaghan
7 Benny Lynch
8 Jackie Paterson
9 Peter Kane
10 Dado Marino

And with everything updated, things are lokking like this;

Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (12 Members have voted)

1st - 112 pts Jimmy Wilde
2nd - 87 pts Pascual Perez
3rd - 82 pts Pancho Villa
4th - 60 pts Benny Lynch
Tied 5th - 57 pts Miguel Canto
Tied 5th - 57 pts Fidel LaBarba
7th - 31 pts Frankie Genaro
8th - 27 pts Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9th - 18 pts Newsboy Brown
10th - 17 pts Peter Kane

11th - 16 pts Santos Laciar
12th - 14 pts Pone Kingpetch
13th - 13 pts Venice Borkhorsor
14th - 12 pts Horacio Accavallo
Tied 15th - 9 pts Betulio Gonzalez
Tied 15th - 9 pts Jimmy Barry
Tied 17th - 8 pts Midget Wolgast
Tied 17th - 8 pts Masao Ohba
Tied 19th - 5 pts Emil Pladner
Tied 19th - 5 pts Rinty Monaghan
21st - 4 pts Jackie Paterson
22nd - 3 pts Chartchai Chionoi
Tied 23rd - 2 pts Shoji Oguma
Tied 23rd - 2 pts Small Montana
Tied 25th - 1 pts Hiroyuki Ebihara
Tied 25th - 1 pts Dado Marino

Crease, with the end of the flyweight list and the end of the game imminent I just thought I would suggest something to you that might be fun and away from the kind of lists that contain the usual suspects. I was thinking what would be cool was the same kind of game with contenders - or those who did not win a world title at a particular weight class. I would take this on but to tell you the truth I don't have the kind of time that this requires to do properly, but primarily, because you're pretty damn good at this. Anyways, just a thought if you want to do a new game.

scartissue wrote:Crease, with the end of the flyweight list and the end of the game imminent

This is the second last thread... There's one more to go. And everyone will be free to have their final say in it...
All will be revealed in the next 12 or 13 days.

Crease wrote:

scartissue wrote:Crease, with the end of the flyweight list and the end of the game imminent

This is the second last thread... There's one more to go. And everyone will be free to have their final say in it...
All will be revealed in the next 12 or 13 days.

Sounds good!

Tomasino wrote:Sounds good!

Wait and see, Sir. It could be a cracker.

No more takers? Only a couple of days left to go...

Crease wrote:And with everything updated, things are lokking like this;

Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (12 Members have voted)

1st - 112 pts Jimmy Wilde
2nd - 87 pts Pascual Perez
3rd - 82 pts Pancho Villa
4th - 60 pts Benny Lynch
Tied 5th - 57 pts Miguel Canto
Tied 5th - 57 pts Fidel LaBarba
7th - 31 pts Frankie Genaro
8th - 27 pts Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9th - 18 pts Newsboy Brown
10th - 17 pts Peter Kane

11th - 16 pts Santos Laciar
12th - 14 pts Pone Kingpetch
13th - 13 pts Venice Borkhorsor
14th - 12 pts Horacio Accavallo
Tied 15th - 9 pts Betulio Gonzalez
Tied 15th - 9 pts Jimmy Barry
Tied 17th - 8 pts Midget Wolgast
Tied 17th - 8 pts Masao Ohba
Tied 19th - 5 pts Emil Pladner
Tied 19th - 5 pts Rinty Monaghan
21st - 4 pts Jackie Paterson
22nd - 3 pts Chartchai Chionoi
Tied 23rd - 2 pts Shoji Oguma
Tied 23rd - 2 pts Small Montana
Tied 25th - 1 pts Hiroyuki Ebihara
Tied 25th - 1 pts Dado Marino

It'd be a shame if Peter Kane and Frankie Genaro pushed Santos Laciar out of a deserved top 10 place, but it looks like the mob has spoken.

Looking through the list, is Flyweight a weaker division greatness-wise than Heavyweight? Ali, Louis, Johnson, Holmes and Foreman seem to me a stronger top five than the above at the very least. And there aren't too many on that whole list I'd have over Holyfield, Frazier or Lewis. Bantamweight was frickin' amazingly deep by comparison.

- BTW, Thomas Hauser drafted 30 "boxing experts" to pick the top 20 heavies. Using my system of #1 yielding 1 point, #2 yielding 2 points, ect, Ali ended up #1 with an average ranking of 1.58 or near there with Joe Louis a hundredth fractional point behind him......Hauser in the House!


1. Jimmy Wilde--a truly great fighter getting stiffed in the end when bashed in from behind by thugs in a train station in his elder years. Give anything to lay my hands on those two bit punks face to face in the afterlife.

2. Pancho Villa--Bad mistake fighting after getting a couple of molars yanked on the day of the fight against Jimmy McLarnin, but the macho cockfighting Filipino credo yields a never say die macho fighter earning an esteemed place in Valhalla.

3. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 26-2 WBC title record, 90-5-2, 47 KO record damned hard to top.

4. Jimmy Barry-- Outstanding knockout power in the early Queensbury days proved impossible to beat.

5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Pascual Perez
7. Fidel LaBarba
8. Benny Lynch
9. Frankie Genaro
10. Miguel Canto
11. Johnny Buff--Michael Buffer is reputed to related to Buff, I'm guessing through his father that at some point went thru a spelling revision.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- BTW, Thomas Hauser drafted 30 "boxing experts" to pick the top 20 heavies. Using my system of #1 yielding 1 point, #2 yielding 2 points, ect, Ali ended up #1 with an average ranking of 1.58 or near there with Joe Louis a hundredth fractional point behind him......Hauser in the House!


1. Jimmy Wilde--a truly great fighter getting stiffed in the end when bashed in from behind by thugs in a train station in his elder years. Give anything to lay my hands on those two bit punks face to face in the afterlife.

2. Pancho Villa--Bad mistake fighting after getting a couple of molars yanked on the day of the fight against Jimmy McLarnin, but the macho cockfighting Filipino credo yields a never say die macho fighter earning an esteemed place in Valhalla.

3. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 26-2 WBC title record, 90-5-2, 47 KO record damned hard to top.

4. Jimmy Barry-- Outstanding knockout power in the early Queensbury days proved impossible to beat.

5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Pascual Perez
7. Fidel LaBarba
8. Benny Lynch
9. Frankie Genaro
10. Miguel Canto
11. Johnny Buff--Michael Buffer is reputed to related to Buff, I'm guessing through his father that at some point went thru a spelling revision.

Quite a mainstream pick for a change Broughty

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:1. Jimmy Wilde--a truly great fighter getting stiffed in the end when bashed in from behind by thugs in a train station in his elder years. Give anything to lay my hands on those two bit punks face to face in the afterlife.

2. Pancho Villa--Bad mistake fighting after getting a couple of molars yanked on the day of the fight against Jimmy McLarnin, but the macho cockfighting Filipino credo yields a never say die macho fighter earning an esteemed place in Valhalla.

3. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 26-2 WBC title record, 90-5-2, 47 KO record damned hard to top.

4. Jimmy Barry-- Outstanding knockout power in the early Queensbury days proved impossible to beat.

5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Pascual Perez
7. Fidel LaBarba
8. Benny Lynch
9. Frankie Genaro
10. Miguel Canto

Thank you. And this will be our final contribution to this weight class. Our final scoreboard will be tallied up soon.

Our FINAL scoreboard looks like this;

Crease wrote:FINAL Scoreboard: (13 Members have voted)

1st - 122 pts Jimmy Wilde
2nd - 92 pts Pascual Perez
3rd - 91 pts Pancho Villa
4th - 63 pts Benny Lynch
5th - 61 pts Fidel LaBarba
6th - 58 pts Miguel Canto
7th - 35 pts Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8th - 33 pts Frankie Genaro
9th - 18 pts Newsboy Brown
10th - 17 pts Peter Kane

Tied 11th - 16 pts Santos Laciar
Tied 11th - 16 pts Jimmy Barry
13th - 14 pts Pone Kingpetch
14th - 13 pts Venice Borkhorsor
15th - 12 pts Horacio Accavallo
16th - 9 pts Betulio Gonzalez
Tied 17th - 8 pts Midget Wolgast
Tied 17th - 8 pts Masao Ohba
19th - 6 pts Ricardo Lopez
Tied 20th - 5 pts Emil Pladner
Tied 20th - 5 pts Rinty Monaghan
22nd - 4 pts Jackie Paterson
23rd - 3 pts Chartchai Chionoi
Tied 24th - 2 pts Shoji Oguma
Tied 24th - 2 pts Small Montana
Tied 26th - 1 pts Hiroyuki Ebihara
Tied 26th - 1 pts Dado Marino

JIMMY WILDE IS VOTED OUR GREATEST EVER FLYWEIGHT!!!

GAME CLOSED!!!

Overview:

Jimmy Wilde was voted Number One 11 times.
Pancho Villa Wilde was voted Number One 1 time.
Venice Borkhorsor was voted Number One 1 time.

Crease wrote:Overview:

Jimmy Wilde was voted Number One 11 times.
Pancho Villa Wilde was voted Number One 1 time.
Venice Borkhorsor was voted Number One 1 time.

It was the right call. To me, the great Jimmy Wilde, p4p was an all time top 20 great boxer. No doubt about it. A terrific Welshman boxer. By looking at his record I can see why. He was a phenomenal fighting machine that sometimes had to scrap with bantamweights and also featherweights. A true great boxer.

His resume is not overly impressive, same with pep. Two obviously great fighters that I find overrated. Not as much as Chavez, finito, Dempsey or foster, but overrated all the same.