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TheGingerBomber wrote:

ValMar wrote:If he move up at 135 and defeat Garcia and become undisputed LW champion - he would be better than Floyd and Manny.
He has a lot of potential, SFW is pretty weak division right now, but he is not guilty because of that.

He won't. Because people who hate on him will move the goalposts, saying Mikey isn't the real deal or some poo. It's like Floyd beating Pac, they gave him no credit, or Ward against Kovalev.

Mikey is really a "real deal", but, unfortunately, he is the only challenge for Loma at the divisions from 126 to 135...Maybe LInares, but I am not sure for him. Crawford is too big, and I think Lomachenko shouldn't go over the 135, simply, he is too tiny for LWW.

Something told me that we'd start hearing ridiculous assertions like this today. An 8-1 fighter is now better than two of the all time P4P greats in the sport. I've heard it all.

caldo2025 wrote:Something told me that we'd start hearing ridiculous assertions like this today. An 8-1 fighter is now better than two of the all time P4P greats in the sport. I've heard it all.

I know this is going to shock, caldoh, but X10.

Loma is the best 8-1 boxer that I have ever seen. That is all.

From an eye test, he looks to be better than Floyd, Manny , and Roy... As I stated a few months ago, he is best fighter I've ever witnessed live. Possibly, the best overall. I understand that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of observers at this point in time. But, in time I'm fairly certain he will prove it in his resume.

Funny thing is, I always find myself pulling for Loma's opponents... lol

Jip wrote:Lomachenko is better than Floyd & Manny

No

TheGingerBomber wrote:

ValMar wrote:If he move up at 135 and defeat Garcia and become undisputed LW champion - he would be better than Floyd and Manny.
He has a lot of potential, SFW is pretty weak division right now, but he is not guilty because of that.

He won't. Because people who hate on him will move the goalposts, saying Mikey isn't the real deal or some poo. It's like Floyd beating Pac, they gave him no credit, or Ward against Kovalev.

I agree with this except the floyd vs pacquaio reference. Obviously it was difficult negotiations, but as ever with mayweather there's always an angle that's makes me question the opponent and the circs. Long story short pacquaio was 5 years past his best and had been sparked by Marquez by the time floyd took him on

Impractical Poster wrote:From an eye test, he looks to be better than Floyd, Manny , and Roy... As I stated a few months ago, he is best fighter I've ever witnessed live. Possibly, the best overall. I understand that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of observers at this point in time. But, in time I'm fairly certain he will prove it in his resume.

Funny thing is, I always find myself pulling for Loma's opponents... lol

9 fights, including a loss. His biggest W v a highly gifted and skilled featherweight with TRex arms. His second biggest W v a good, not great fighter whose greatest asset did not transfer up to SFW, and who proved to have no heart after being inactive for a year. His third biggest W is against a limited but lion hearted tough man who started boxing at 21 and his main claim to fame was a gift draw against the heartless bully of the FW yard.

He has in no way faced his version of Barrera, Morales, and JMM. TRex Jr., Heartless, and Sosa are not in that solar system let alone on that level.

I think that Lomassiah has great talent but he has not proven himself against elite competition yet.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:From an eye test, he looks to be better than Floyd, Manny , and Roy... As I stated a few months ago, he is best fighter I've ever witnessed live. Possibly, the best overall. I understand that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of observers at this point in time. But, in time I'm fairly certain he will prove it in his resume.

Funny thing is, I always find myself pulling for Loma's opponents... lol

9 fights, including a loss. His biggest W v a highly gifted and skilled featherweight with TRex arms. His second biggest W v a good, not great fighter whose greatest asset did not transfer up to SFW, and who proved to have no heart after being inactive for a year. His third biggest W is against a limited but lion hearted tough man who started boxing at 21 and his main claim to fame was a gift draw against the heartless bully of the FW yard.

He has in no way faced his version of Barrera, Morales, and JMM. TRex Jr., Heartless, and Sosa are not in that solar system let alone on that level.

I think that Lomassiah has great talent but he has not proven himself against elite competition yet.

I understand your position. I rate Russell Jr and Walters pretty damn high and he was dominate against both. Like I said, I feel that he'll pass the test once he gets an elite opponent in front of him. BTW, at the time they faced each other, I felt Walters was on his way to the elite status. It's just me judging by the eye test at this point. I understand he has not had a lot of pro fights yet. But, the fights he has had this early in his pro career have shown me all I need to know to comfortably say he's the best fighter I've seen live. An incredible talent. His ring IQ is like non other I've seen before.

I may be proven wrong. It's happened plenty before. But, I have a feeling he will prove to be the best p4p fighter in the sport within the next year or two.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:From an eye test, he looks to be better than Floyd, Manny , and Roy... As I stated a few months ago, he is best fighter I've ever witnessed live. Possibly, the best overall. I understand that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of observers at this point in time. But, in time I'm fairly certain he will prove it in his resume.

Funny thing is, I always find myself pulling for Loma's opponents... lol

9 fights, including a loss. His biggest W v a highly gifted and skilled featherweight with TRex arms. His second biggest W v a good, not great fighter whose greatest asset did not transfer up to SFW, and who proved to have no heart after being inactive for a year. His third biggest W is against a limited but lion hearted tough man who started boxing at 21 and his main claim to fame was a gift draw against the heartless bully of the FW yard.

He has in no way faced his version of Barrera, Morales, and JMM. TRex Jr., Heartless, and Sosa are not in that solar system let alone on that level.

I think that Lomassiah has great talent but he has not proven himself against elite competition yet.

I understand your position. I rate Russell Jr and Walters pretty damn high and he was dominate against both. Like I said, I feel that he'll pass the test once he gets an elite opponent in front of him. BTW, at the time they faced each other, I felt Walters was on his way to the elite status. It's just me judging by the eye test at this point. I understand he has not had a lot of pro fights yet. But, the fights he has had this early in his pro career have shown me all I need to know to comfortably say he's the best fighter I've seen live. An incredible talent. His ring IQ is like non other I've seen before.

I may be proven wrong. It's happened plenty before. But, I have a feeling he will prove to be the best p4p fighter in the sport within the next year or two.

Walters had been fvcked around and left inactive. Furthermore, he had proven next to nothing at SFW. True, he was on the buttend of a gift draw. However, Sosa gave him a tough go.

TRex Jr.'s main claim to fame so far is a lopsided loss to Lomassiah. It may end up being his defining moment if he does not get off his entitled ass and start earning his way.

The Salido loss is not going away no matter the missed weight and dirty tactics. It is an L against a less than elite boxer. He should not have been in there with an animal like Salido that early but that is just an excuse. He chose to take the fight and he lost.

There are no JMMs on his resume. That is not a criticism of Lomassiah himself, given that he has less than 10 fights. It is an indictment of his worshippers, who embarrass themselves at the alter daily.

Lomachenko has never beaten a top 10 p4p opponent, Pacquiao has beaten 5 distinct top 10 p4p opponents (multiple times each in some cases).

Lackeos wrote:Lomachenko has never beaten a top 10 p4p opponent, Pacquiao has beaten 5 distinct top 10 p4p opponents (multiple times each in some cases).

loma would have made easy work of morales and barrera

morales didnt like akward styles, like against braheem and barerra didnt like super fast combo punchers like manny. you cant hit loma and he does combos as fast/variaty as pac. dont have to be a rocket scientest to see that loma would be a nightmare opponent for anybody at super featherweight ever

Jip wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Lomachenko has never beaten a top 10 p4p opponent, Pacquiao has beaten 5 distinct top 10 p4p opponents (multiple times each in some cases).

loma would have made easy work of morales and barrera

morales didnt like akward styles, like against braheem and barerra didnt like super fast combo punchers like manny. you cant hit loma and he does combos as fast/variaty as pac. dont have to be a rocket scientest to see that loma would be a nightmare opponent for anybody at super featherweight ever

Your argument is based on subjective conjecture. Mine is based on actual achievements.

Pac, FMJ, JMM, Barrera, and Morales have achieved their status. Lomassiah is in the process of constructing his legacy. In the end he may deserve to be in that list.

Not yet.

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Lomachenko has never beaten a top 10 p4p opponent, Pacquiao has beaten 5 distinct top 10 p4p opponents (multiple times each in some cases).

loma would have made easy work of morales and barrera

morales didnt like akward styles, like against braheem and barerra didnt like super fast combo punchers like manny. you cant hit loma and he does combos as fast/variaty as pac. dont have to be a rocket scientest to see that loma would be a nightmare opponent for anybody at super featherweight ever

Your argument is based on subjective conjecture. Mine is based on actual achievements.

Pac, FMJ, JMM, Barrera, and Morales have achieved their status. Lomassiah is in the process of constructing his legacy. In the end he may deserve to be in that list.

Not yet.

Nobody is saying that Loma FORMALLY qualifies to be considered better than Floyd or Manny. I think what OP meant that skill wise he is better. We just need to wait and see whether he proves it. I hope he doesn't continue to jump divisions too quickly, as 135 may be the last division he could dominate. At 140, it will be very competitive due to huge size and power disadvantage.

I already feel fine saying that he is more skilled than Manny was, although Pac was a far greater offensive force.

People are going way over the top here.

Loma is very good and p4p top 5 by most experts id imagine. But come on

Pacquaio has had an exceptional career and is highly skilled. It's an insult at this stage to suggest otherwise

And make light work be MAB and Morales... 2 HoFers but generally at a lower weight, but infinitely better than salido, with respect.

Calm down people he's very good loma, but still much more to do

Manny was a physical beast at 130 with exceptional speed, power, and tenacity. Give him Loma's skills and he would've been an even better fighter IMO...

Floyd is another story, because he's easily an ATG skill-wise.

I would love to see Manny vs Lomo at 135 or 140. Both Roach and Manny claim they can make 135 no problem. They claim 140 is Manny's best fighting weight, so I am sure the amount of $$$ would lure Lomo to move up.

to all the non experts. i talk about physical atributes and skills, when talking about loma, not about record. like everybody with common sense we see what loma is capable of doing inside the ring, exceptional, rare, very rare, just one of the best boxer ever. and for the 1000000 time, no he has not a great record, but i dont talk about "best record in boxing", i talk about "best boxer in boxing". manny has the best record in boxing right now, but that doesnt make him a better boxer than lomachenko right now. gonzales had a better record than lomachenko, he was and is miles away from being as good of the version of lomachenko we seing right now. so if you dont want to be totaly stupid, just think before you write!

Jip wrote:to all the non experts. i talk about physical atributes and skills, when talking about loma, not about record. like everybody with common sense we see what loma is capable of doing inside the ring, exceptional, rare, very rare, just one of the best boxer ever. and for the 1000000 time, no he has not a great record, but i dont talk about "best record in boxing", i talk about "best boxer in boxing". manny has the best record in boxing right now, but that doesnt make him a better boxer than lomachenko right now. gonzales had a better record than lomachenko, he was and is miles away from being as good of the version of lomachenko we seing right now. so if you dont want to be totaly stupid, just think before you write!

#1 - Manny does not have the best record in boxing.
#2 - Lomo has had about 400 more fights than Sosa, so lets all remember that. Sosa was cooking pizza while Lomo was winning olympics.
#3 - Lets get Lomo against an experienced, seasoned, elite fighter before we put him in the hall of fame.

Jip wrote:to all the non experts. i talk about physical atributes and skills, when talking about loma, not about record. like everybody with common sense we see what loma is capable of doing inside the ring, exceptional, rare, very rare, just one of the best boxer ever. and for the 1000000 time, no he has not a great record, but i dont talk about "best record in boxing", i talk about "best boxer in boxing". manny has the best record in boxing right now, but that doesnt make him a better boxer than lomachenko right now. gonzales had a better record than lomachenko, he was and is miles away from being as good of the version of lomachenko we seing right now. so if you dont want to be totaly stupid, just think before you write!

Become a bit more condescending and you might be able to give enlightened one some competition you melt

Loma is very gifted and skilled. But to prove the level requires a career of competition

..of course he's gifted, talented etc..like this commentator said the other day "he's mesmerising to watch"..he's two-time olympic champ after all...however, if you compare him with the best of the best you want to see how his skills come across fighting the very best..you are usually as good as your opponent allows you to.. 9 fights in paid ranks are just not enough..but it's a great start..

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Something told me that we'd start hearing ridiculous assertions like this today. An 8-1 fighter is now better than two of the all time P4P greats in the sport. I've heard it all.

I know this is going to shock, caldoh, but X10.

Loma is the best 8-1 boxer that I have ever seen. That is all.

Well, this doesn't feel right at all. I MUST be wrong if you agree with something that I'm thinking.

This LomaLoveAffair is just ridiculous now. I had to turn the volume off Saturday night because I couldn't listen to it anymore. They were so busy telling us that we've never and will never see anyone as good as Loma that they missed a very good round Sosa was having. I actually gave Sosa 2 rounds.

Loma's hands are great but all this stepping aside movement garbage is all steak and no sizzle. Not only that, Loma did a lot of crying to the ref that night and some showboating that i didn't like much. I think that Mikey Garcia is overrated but if Loma can do the same to him then i'll consider him P4P but you can't just hand someone that because he has cool step around moves to knockout bums. Please.

Badhusker wrote:

Jip wrote:to all the non experts. i talk about physical atributes and skills, when talking about loma, not about record. like everybody with common sense we see what loma is capable of doing inside the ring, exceptional, rare, very rare, just one of the best boxer ever. and for the 1000000 time, no he has not a great record, but i dont talk about "best record in boxing", i talk about "best boxer in boxing". manny has the best record in boxing right now, but that doesnt make him a better boxer than lomachenko right now. gonzales had a better record than lomachenko, he was and is miles away from being as good of the version of lomachenko we seing right now. so if you dont want to be totaly stupid, just think before you write!

#1 - Manny does not have the best record in boxing.
#2 - Lomo has had about 400 more fights than Sosa, so lets all remember that. Sosa was cooking pizza while Lomo was winning olympics.
#3 - Lets get Lomo against an experienced, seasoned, elite fighter before we put him in the hall of fame.

manny has the best record in boxing. to say otherwise is stupid.

sosa was a champion and was considered #1 by boxrec at sf, loma made him look like a hobby boxer

loma has now the same problem roy had back than. loma looks near perfect at the division he is right now and just like roy back than at lh there werent no top light heavyweight out there like today, same at sf, there arent no seasoned elite fighters. even at light weight there arent no seasoned elite boxers. linares fought good opponents, but his skills are far from elite. verdejao is new and so is easter. only mikey comes to my mind.

but like i often said, i dont care and talk about hall of fame or record, i focus and physical atributes and skills and you wont find a lot of hofers who have the total package like loma does.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote: 9 fights, including a loss. His biggest W v a highly gifted and skilled featherweight with TRex arms. His second biggest W v a good, not great fighter whose greatest asset did not transfer up to SFW, and who proved to have no heart after being inactive for a year. His third biggest W is against a limited but lion hearted tough man who started boxing at 21 and his main claim to fame was a gift draw against the heartless bully of the FW yard.

He has in no way faced his version of Barrera, Morales, and JMM. TRex Jr., Heartless, and Sosa are not in that solar system let alone on that level.

I think that Lomassiah has great talent but he has not proven himself against elite competition yet.

I understand your position. I rate Russell Jr and Walters pretty damn high and he was dominate against both. Like I said, I feel that he'll pass the test once he gets an elite opponent in front of him. BTW, at the time they faced each other, I felt Walters was on his way to the elite status. It's just me judging by the eye test at this point. I understand he has not had a lot of pro fights yet. But, the fights he has had this early in his pro career have shown me all I need to know to comfortably say he's the best fighter I've seen live. An incredible talent. His ring IQ is like non other I've seen before.

I may be proven wrong. It's happened plenty before. But, I have a feeling he will prove to be the best p4p fighter in the sport within the next year or two.

Walters had been fvcked around and left inactive. Furthermore, he had proven next to nothing at SFW. True, he was on the buttend of a gift draw. However, Sosa gave him a tough go.

TRex Jr.'s main claim to fame so far is a lopsided loss to Lomassiah. It may end up being his defining moment if he does not get off his entitled ass and start earning his way.

The Salido loss is not going away no matter the missed weight and dirty tactics. It is an L against a less than elite boxer. He should not have been in there with an animal like Salido that early but that is just an excuse. He chose to take the fight and he lost.

There are no JMMs on his resume. That is not a criticism of Lomassiah himself, given that he has less than 10 fights. It is an indictment of his worshippers, who embarrass themselves at the alter daily.

end of story

Boxing has to be the strangest sport.

We get a boxer who is willing to take on the best and actively seek out top opponents. Not expecting catch weights. Not waiting for them to get old. Not stipulating the judges. Or the referee. He fights in an offensive crowd pleasing style and all anyone wants to do is run him down.