Usyk's rather average

[crusader]

Maybe even top 3? He's easily top 3...

You're picking away at his supposed shortcomings, but you can do the same about the other top guys. Gassiev isn't very fast, doesn't have a jab, only fights going forward, and didn't up the pace when he had Lebedev hurt; Briedis was getting tagged repeatedly by Durodola right hands during the first three rounds, got hit flush a couple times by mediocre Simon Valily, etc.

[victor-romeo]

I would say he is above average. He is not my cup of tea yet. But for some reason he reminds as a cruiser weight version Pernell Whitaker with slight less defence . I have respect for Whitaker as a great fighter but he wasn't much of puncher either although he could punch when he be had to . I think Usyk is similar. I saw Usyk fight Beteribiev on youtube. I think it was the Olympics, and he beat Beterbiev, Usyk had to bite down hard to win that fight but showed what a great thoroughbred he was to me in that fight.
I think Hunter is a lot better than I knew, and that was a fun fight for the first 2/3 probably should have been stopped in the last round but it all worked out.

[boxing_rocks]

Maybe even top 3? He's easily top 3...

You're picking away at his supposed shortcomings, but you can do the same about the other top guys. Gassiev isn't very fast, doesn't have a jab, only fights going forward, and didn't up the pace when he had Lebedev hurt; Briedis was getting tagged repeatedly by Durodola right hands during the first three rounds, got hit flush a couple times by mediocre Simon Valily, etc.

Easily ? How easily ? What makes you so sure that he beats Gassiev, Briedis, Lebedev, Dorticos ?

[jamesmcdonnell]

He's still using the olympic "touch" style, is content to arm punch, is overly cautious, and often can't get out of his own way to let his punches go.

At the moment he's winning because his youth which allows him to boil down a great deal of weight, as he seems a full division above his opponents.

The guy can fight but he's a big bore and he might not remain at the top for very long.

A bore?

FFS!

[caldo2025]

Usyk average? Nah, he's an above average CW. That doesn't say much about the CW division really but it's never been packed with talent.

Last week, I got bombarded with messages from people promoting this guy here. Some calling him a top P4P guy. After calling them crazy, I promised them that i would watch him fight this past weekend. I saw his last fight and wasn't impressed but i'm a man of my word. Usyk's energy for the division is huge. Guys that size normally don't throw and move like that for 12 rounds non stop so he's in amazing shape. Can't NOT give that to him. But i agree with most, the amateur style of paddy cake punches has to go and someone needs to teach him to sit on some shots and protect his mug. He got hit way too much by those slow looping punches by Hunter.

P4P fighter? NO! Can he be? Yeah. I saw enough to say that he's got some great tools. But he's got a lot of work to do before i would even utter P4P in this guys direction. I was impressed with his energy and conditioning though.

[claudevsq]

OK, Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev... But what does everybody think of unbeaten interim WBA titlist Yunier Dorticós, the KO monster from Cuba? He'll fight Shumenov at the end of the month for Shumenov's regular belt... Is Dorticós a force to be reckoned with? I never saw him fight...

[Oiky]

I don't see any of that about usyk

Maybe hes slightly overrated at this point, but that's about it

[RScarf1]

OK, Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev... But what does everybody think of unbeaten interim WBA titlist Yunier Dorticós, the KO monster from Cuba? He'll fight Shumenov at the end of the month for Shumenov's regular belt... Is Dorticós a force to be reckoned with? I never saw him fight...

Dorticos knocked out all of his opponents except Edison Miranda which Dorticos won by decision. Dorticos has not fought anyone good. I think Shumenov is going to win. There is video of Dorticos on YouTube. I watched the highlights. He knocks out a lot of boxers, but they are not world-class.

[Oiky]

OK, Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev... But what does everybody think of unbeaten interim WBA titlist Yunier Dorticós, the KO monster from Cuba? He'll fight Shumenov at the end of the month for Shumenov's regular belt... Is Dorticós a force to be reckoned with? I never saw him fight...

Dorticos knocked out all of his opponents except Edison Miranda which Dorticos won by decision. Dorticos has not fought anyone good. I think Shumenov is going to win. There is video of Dorticos on YouTube. I watched the highlights. He knocks out a lot of boxers, but they are not world-class.

from what ive seen i'd go with shumenov aswell

[Mexi-Box]

Anyone saying Usyk is average is an idiot. Usyk is not a top 3 cruiserweight. Usyk is the #1 crusierweight in the world. He has a deeper resume than Gassiev and Briedis. Gassiev has the best win of the three, but he has no depth. Usyk has tremendous depth in his last 3 fights.

[Oiky]

Anyone saying Usyk is average is an idiot. Usyk is not a top 3 cruiserweight. Usyk is the #1 crusierweight in the world. He has a deeper resume than Gassiev and Briedis. Gassiev has the best win of the three, but he has no depth. Usyk has tremendous depth in his last 3 fights.

agreed, usyk is a very good boxer

calculated, picks shots well

[boxing_rocks]

OK, Usyk, Briedis and Gassiev... But what does everybody think of unbeaten interim WBA titlist Yunier Dorticós, the KO monster from Cuba? He'll fight Shumenov at the end of the month for Shumenov's regular belt... Is Dorticós a force to be reckoned with? I never saw him fight...

Dorticos knocked out all of his opponents except Edison Miranda which Dorticos won by decision. Dorticos has not fought anyone good. I think Shumenov is going to win. There is video of Dorticos on YouTube. I watched the highlights. He knocks out a lot of boxers, but they are not world-class.

from what ive seen i'd go with shumenov aswell

You said it all demonstrating total incompetence. Shumenov is a fraud who didn't beat any B level fighter in his life. He got gifts against Campillo and Flores. He isn't even top 20 CW.

[boxing_rocks]

Anyone saying Usyk is average is an idiot. Usyk is not a top 3 cruiserweight. Usyk is the #1 crusierweight in the world. He has a deeper resume than Gassiev and Briedis. Gassiev has the best win of the three, but he has no depth. Usyk has tremendous depth in his last 3 fights.

Do you think his "deep" resume will help him against Gassiev's power punches?

[ValMar]

If he is an average....then, I am William Shakespeare...

[marvelous marv]

Usyk is good, maybe one of the best in his division. But he isn't perfect either. When Max Kellerman says things like he is the top guy above 175 pounds before he even throws a punch in the fight, it sets the expectation way too high. It's ridiculous to think Joshua is up at night thinking about the threat Usyk poses to his title.

[crow]

He's still using the olympic "touch" style, is content to arm punch, is overly cautious, and often can't get out of his own way to let his punches go.

At the moment he's winning because his youth which allows him to boil down a great deal of weight, as he seems a full division above his opponents.

The guy can fight but he's a big bore and he might not remain at the top for very long.

A bore?

FFS!

Tell me, who would you rather watch: Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Kudryashov, Gassiev, or Usyk ?

What would have the first 4 done to Hunter yesterday?

Kud would have decapitated him in 2 to 4; Beterbiev/Gassiev in 5 to 7, and Gvozdyk in 8 or 9.

And with all his youth, fitness and size, Usyk couldn't close the show when Hunter was ready to go. To the' contrary, Gvozdyk got his man out of there when the moment came.

[Baby Face Finster]

He's still using the olympic "touch" style, is content to arm punch, is overly cautious, and often can't get out of his own way to let his punches go.

At the moment he's winning because his youth which allows him to boil down a great deal of weight, as he seems a full division above his opponents.

The guy can fight but he's a big bore and he might not remain at the top for very long.

A bore?

FFS!

Tell me, who would you rather watch: Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Kudryashov, Gassiev, or Usyk ?

What would have the first 4 done to Hunter yesterday?

Kud would have decapitated him in 2 to 4; Beterbiev/Gassiev in 5 to 7, and Gvozdyk in 8 or 9.

And with all his youth, fitness and size, Usyk couldn't close the show when Hunter was ready to go. To the' contrary, Gvozdyk got his man out of there when the moment came.

Wow, are you dumb!

[TheGingerBomber]

Madness...he has a win over Glowacki, who KO'd Huck. Sounds like he figured Hunter out and smashed him late. Also waltzed past Mchunu.

Before Huck/Breidis & Usyk/Hunter, the general consensus was Usyk would walk past everyone, now he & Breidis are equals. It's funny, I believed this fight would be competitive before these two fights.

[boxing_rocks]

Madness...he has a win over Glowacki, who KO'd Huck. Sounds like he figured Hunter out and smashed him late. Also waltzed past Mchunu.

Before Huck/Breidis & Usyk/Hunter, the general consensus was Usyk would walk past everyone, now he & Breidis are equals. It's funny, I believed this fight would be competitive before these two fights.

Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

[TheGingerBomber]

Madness...he has a win over Glowacki, who KO'd Huck. Sounds like he figured Hunter out and smashed him late. Also waltzed past Mchunu.

Before Huck/Breidis & Usyk/Hunter, the general consensus was Usyk would walk past everyone, now he & Breidis are equals. It's funny, I believed this fight would be competitive before these two fights.

Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

Respect your opinion and I agree if Usyk stands there gloves up, Gassiev can hurt him. But my prediction would be an Usyk masterclass.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Usky isn't average at all. He's clearly a world class fighter. He takes a while to get going, and he can be outboxed by someone more mobile, but he puts his shots together very well, and has excellent stamina. His footwork is never going to be his strong suit, but that doesn't make him average.

Average is a sub national champion level fighter, you should choose your words more carefully.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He's still using the olympic "touch" style, is content to arm punch, is overly cautious, and often can't get out of his own way to let his punches go.

At the moment he's winning because his youth which allows him to boil down a great deal of weight, as he seems a full division above his opponents.

The guy can fight but he's a big bore and he might not remain at the top for very long.

A bore?

FFS!

Tell me, who would you rather watch: Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, Kudryashov, Gassiev, or Usyk ?

What would have the first 4 done to Hunter yesterday?

Kud would have decapitated him in 2 to 4; Beterbiev/Gassiev in 5 to 7, and Gvozdyk in 8 or 9.

And with all his youth, fitness and size, Usyk couldn't close the show when Hunter was ready to go. To the' contrary, Gvozdyk got his man out of there when the moment came.

Hunter is a good fighter, that's why, could would shoulda, none of those guys fought Hunter.

He is not a full division above his opponents, that's a crock of shit. What is a full division at cruiser anyway, - 1 pound is a division away as anybody over 200 is a heavyweight. Usyk wasn't much bigger at all than hunter. Did you even watch the fight?

[crusader]

Madness...he has a win over Glowacki, who KO'd Huck. Sounds like he figured Hunter out and smashed him late. Also waltzed past Mchunu.

Before Huck/Breidis & Usyk/Hunter, the general consensus was Usyk would walk past everyone, now he & Breidis are equals. It's funny, I believed this fight would be competitive before these two fights.

Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

Huck looked fine until Glowacki KO'd him. If we're going down that route, wasn;t Leb 37 when Gassiev beat him?

[punchoutsb]

Madness...he has a win over Glowacki, who KO'd Huck. Sounds like he figured Hunter out and smashed him late. Also waltzed past Mchunu.

Before Huck/Breidis & Usyk/Hunter, the general consensus was Usyk would walk past everyone, now he & Breidis are equals. It's funny, I believed this fight would be competitive before these two fights.

Catching shot Huck doesn't say much about Glowacki. Against Gassiev, Usyk will not have time to figure him out. If Usyk covers up and lets Gassiev push himself like he allowed Hunter to do, Gassiev will take him out early.

Huck looked fine until Glowacki KO'd him. If we're going down that route, wasn;t Leb 37 when Gassiev beat him?

This. Huck had/has more left in the tank than Lebedev does and I like both.

[crow]

From another forum:

"He looked pretty sloppy and lacking in sharpness, though he's long had a tendency to look like this. Hunter managed to shut him down with a rudimentary jab and workrate alone, but faded after four and started to get tagged more and more. Still managed to have success against him in stretches, but Usyk was ultimately able to figure him out and should have been awarded a TKO in the 12th after he unleashed a savage Froch vs Taylor style beating on Hunter against the ropes.

It was definitely not a performance to sell you on Usyk if you've never seen him before. Looked distinctly average for way too much of the fight. "