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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The PBC isn't a dime cheaper than HBO for me. It would be $10 less if I wanted to skip their best fights on Showtime. Of my 1,000 channels I don't get Bounce. The whole free thing is laughable.

You're right, the PBC isn't free on Showtime.

TV isn't free.

Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: You're right, the PBC isn't free on Showtime.

TV isn't free.

Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

I wouldn't know, I just got mine down to $155 a month and was thrilled.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
TV isn't free.

Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

I wouldn't know, I just got mine down to $155 a month and was thrilled.

You should be able to find something more expensive. Do some research

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
TV isn't free.

Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

I wouldn't know, I just got mine down to $155 a month and was thrilled.

Cut the cord. My bill was about that much. Cut the cord and went with Roku, HBO Now, Showtime on Hulu, Hulu, and Netflix. Cut my bill more than half.

boxing_rocks wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

I wouldn't know, I just got mine down to $155 a month and was thrilled.

You should be able to find something more expensive. Do some research

Huh? I've been paying close to $300!

Mexi-Box wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Basic cable (which doesn't include ESPN) is $10-15/month, and most of people pay for cable or dish anyway.

I wouldn't know, I just got mine down to $155 a month and was thrilled.

Cut the cord. My bill was about that much. Cut the cord and went with Roku, HBO Now, Showtime on Hulu, Hulu, and Netflix. Cut my bill more than half.

I'm lazy, too much effort. Anything around $200 with a PPV is fine. Yes, sad days.

Here's an update on the PBC-Spike situation:

"Spike TV: Still Talking With Haymon, 'Very Satisfied' With PBC Fights"

According to David Schwarz of Spike, they are not done with boxing and not done with the PBC brand - but they are going to be more selective with the programming they purchase.

Schwarz told The New York Post “...We want to make it clear we’re still talking to Al, and we were very satisfied with the fights from PBC. If the right situation and right fight comes up, we’re all ears."

A PBC spokesman told the paper that Spike's decision should not viewed as a sign of trouble for the PBC brand.

“We continue to have a good relationship with all our broadcast partners as we determine what fights work best for all parties involved,” the spokesman said.

Here's an updated list of PBC/Showtime fight cards involving Al Haymon's stable of fighters:

• Date = 22/04/17; Network = Showtime; Berto vs. Porter; Title = final eliminator for the WBC welterweight title
• Date = 22/04/17; Network = Showtime; Charlo vs. Hatley; Title = WBC World super welterweight title
• Date = 25/04/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Barrios vs. Lara; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 29/04/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Shumenov vs. Dorticos; Title = WBA World cruiserweight title
• Date = 02/05/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Redkach vs. Mendez; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 02/05/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Santa Cruz vs. TBC; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Russell vs. Escandon; Title = WBC World featherweight title
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Andre Dirrell vs. Uzcátegui; Title = IBF Super Middleweight Interim World title
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Davis vs. Walsh; Title = IBF Super Featherweight World title
• Date = 27/05/17; Network = Showtime; Brook vs. Spence Jr.; Title = IBF World welterweight title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Stevenson vs. Fonfara; Title = WBC Light Heavyweight World title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Alvarez vs. Pascal; Title = WBC Silver Light Heavyweight title
• Date = 11/06/17; Network = TBC; Selby vs. Barros; Title = IBF World featherweight title
• Date = 23/06/17; Network = Bounce TV; TBC; Title = TBC
• Date = 23/09/17; Network = NBC; TBC; Title = TBC

Showtime also announced that they intend to televise fights involving Adrien Broner & Mikey Garcia (both Al Haymon/PBC fighters) in Summer, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

In May, HBO/TR/GBP is showing
Alvarez/Chavez Jr ($70+)
Crawford/Diaz (-1700 on Crawford)
All of that for $85

In May, Showtime will show
Davis/Walsh (-500 on Davis in Walsh's home country)
Brook/Spence Jr
All for $10

In June, HBO/TR/GBP is showing,
Ward/Kovalev II
You get it for $70+

In June, Showtime is giving
Stevenson/Fonfara
Alvarez/Pascal
$10

So for May/June ...
HBO/TR/GBP ($155)
Showtime/PBC ($20)

Showtime is killing HBO this year. What's your point?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Showtime is killing HBO this year. What's your point?

That's the point itself dickhead.

And the situation has been similar since the inception of the PBC.

Now let's compare the # of negative topics/posts about the PBC,
and the # of negative topics/posts about HBO/TR/GBP.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Showtime is killing HBO this year. What's your point?

That's the point itself dickhead.

And the situation has been similar since the inception of the PBC.

Now let's compare the # of negative topics/posts about the PBC,
and the # of negative topics/posts about HBO/TR/GBP.

Showtime.Pays for​ the fights, dickhead, as I've told your dumb ass countless times HBO & pbc are not like organizations. And while you bitch and whine a out shit that doesn't exist, your agenda is quite clear.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Showtime is killing HBO this year. What's your point?

That's the point itself dickhead.

And the situation has been similar since the inception of the PBC.

Now let's compare the # of negative topics/posts about the PBC,
and the # of negative topics/posts about HBO/TR/GBP.

Showtime.Pays for​ the fights, dickhead, as I've told your dumb ass countless times HBO & pbc are not like organizations. And while you bitch and whine a out poo that doesn't exist, your agenda is quite clear.

What is a boxing promoter these days?
How about Arum and Manny?
How about Floyd and Haymon?

Dickheads such as yourself keep making points not relevant to the modern boxing landscape.
Regardless of what you or anyone want to believe, boxing matches are made by MONEY POWER.
So I talk about where the MONEY POWER is.

Regarding who technically is the network and who is the promoter shows a simplistic understand of the world,
and the real economic influences in boxing. The Ali Act is like a joke.
People constantly reference actions that violate it and NO ONE CARES.
There have been numerous allegations against all the major players in boxing violating their respective roles.
No investigations. Nothing.

You understand more than the basics.
Since your return , you're just playing this one-liner role based on inconclusive comments about nothing.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote: That's the point itself dickhead.

And the situation has been similar since the inception of the PBC.

Now let's compare the # of negative topics/posts about the PBC,
and the # of negative topics/posts about HBO/TR/GBP.

Showtime.Pays for​ the fights, dickhead, as I've told your dumb ass countless times HBO & pbc are not like organizations. And while you bitch and whine a out poo that doesn't exist, your agenda is quite clear.

What is a boxing promoter these days?
How about Arum and Manny?
How about Floyd and Haymon?

Dickheads such as yourself keep making points not relevant to the modern boxing landscape.
Regardless of what you or anyone want to believe, boxing matches are made by MONEY POWER.
So I talk about where the MONEY POWER is.

Regarding who technically is the network and who is the promoter shows a simplistic understand of the world,
and the real economic influences in boxing. The Ali Act is like a joke.
People constantly reference actions that violate it and NO ONE CARES.
There have been numerous allegations against all the major players in boxing violating their respective roles.
No investigations. Nothing.

You understand more than the basics.
Since your return , you're just playing this one-liner role based on inconclusive comments about nothing.

You're a buffoon.i pity your life that you could be so angry over nothing but bullshit.

HBO has a budget for boxing, when it's cut boxers still have to box, assface.

PBC is great. Free boxing kicks ass

Here's an updated list of PBC/Showtime fight cards involving Al Haymon's stable of fighters:

• Date = 27/05/17; Network = Showtime; Brook vs. Spence Jr.; Title = IBF World welterweight title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Stevenson vs. Fonfara; Title = WBC Light Heavyweight World title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Alvarez vs. Pascal; Title = WBC Silver Light Heavyweight title
• Date = 11/06/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Rios vs. Herrera; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 20/06/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Dulorme vs. Ugas; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 27/06/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; TBC; Title = TBC
• Date = 30/06/17; Network = Bounce TV; Easter Jr. vs. Shafikov; Title = IBF World lightweight title
• Date = 15/07/17; Network = Fox; Figueroa vs. Guerrero; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 23/09/17; Network = NBC; TBC; Title = TBC
• Date = TBC; Network = TBC; Selby vs. Barros; Title = IBF World featherweight title

Showtime also announced that they intend to televise fights involving Adrien Broner & Mikey Garcia (both Al Haymon/PBC fighters) in Summer, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

crusader wrote:Uh oh? Gone from Spike and ESPN, and Chris Manix has apparently suggested that it will be dropped from other networks too.

Does this mean fewer fights for the huge Haymon stable? Could we see more guys jumping ship?

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crusader wrote:Uh oh? Gone from Spike and ESPN, and Chris Manix has apparently suggested that it will be dropped from other networks too.

Does this mean fewer fights for the huge Haymon stable? Could we see more guys jumping ship?

ESPN have monetary issues and Spike’s two-year contract with the PBC has expired, but is apparently being renegotiated.

We are seeing more PBC fight cards on Fox & Showtime... and Al Haymon's company seems to be staging the same volume of fight cards as he did last year, but using fewer networks.

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Enlightened-One wrote:Here's an update on the PBC-Spike situation:

"Spike TV: Still Talking With Haymon, 'Very Satisfied' With PBC Fights"

According to David Schwarz of Spike, they are not done with boxing and not done with the PBC brand - but they are going to be more selective with the programming they purchase.

Schwarz told The New York Post “...We want to make it clear we’re still talking to Al, and we were very satisfied with the fights from PBC. If the right situation and right fight comes up, we’re all ears."

A PBC spokesman told the paper that Spike's decision should not viewed as a sign of trouble for the PBC brand.

“We continue to have a good relationship with all our broadcast partners as we determine what fights work best for all parties involved,” the spokesman said.

Here's an updated list of PBC/Showtime fight cards involving Al Haymon's stable of fighters:

• Date = 22/04/17; Network = Showtime; Berto vs. Porter; Title = final eliminator for the WBC welterweight title
• Date = 22/04/17; Network = Showtime; Charlo vs. Hatley; Title = WBC World super welterweight title
• Date = 25/04/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Barrios vs. Lara; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 29/04/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Shumenov vs. Dorticos; Title = WBA World cruiserweight title
• Date = 02/05/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Redkach vs. Mendez; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 02/05/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Santa Cruz vs. TBC; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Russell vs. Escandon; Title = WBC World featherweight title
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Andre Dirrell vs. Uzcátegui; Title = IBF Super Middleweight Interim World title
• Date = 20/05/17; Network = Showtime; Davis vs. Walsh; Title = IBF Super Featherweight World title
• Date = 27/05/17; Network = Showtime; Brook vs. Spence Jr.; Title = IBF World welterweight title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Stevenson vs. Fonfara; Title = WBC Light Heavyweight World title
• Date = 03/06/17; Network = Showtime; Alvarez vs. Pascal; Title = WBC Silver Light Heavyweight title
• Date = 11/06/17; Network = TBC; Selby vs. Barros; Title = IBF World featherweight title
• Date = 23/06/17; Network = Bounce TV; TBC; Title = TBC
• Date = 23/09/17; Network = NBC; TBC; Title = TBC

Showtime also announced that they intend to televise fights involving Adrien Broner & Mikey Garcia (both Al Haymon/PBC fighters) in Summer, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

Thanks for linking the article...that sheds a lot of light on the issue.

Here's an updated list of PBC fight cards involving Al Haymon's stable of fighters during the current month of July:

• Date = 15/07/17; Network = Fox; Figueroa vs. Guerrero; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 18/07/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Flores vs. Alvalos; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 29/07/17; Network = Showtime; Broner vs. Garcia; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 30/07/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Ortiz vs. Corral; Title = Non-title bout

PBC is a protected minor league in house boxing club. In over two years now PBC has failed to manufacture even one transcending star or even a star period. PBC is just a minor league of B fighters fancily packaged by a very ambitious choreographer. Fans want to see the best vs the best not minor league boxing. Haymon refuses to risk his "best" fighters against the best competition and that's why PBC is destined to fail.

montrealsuper wrote:PBC is a protected minor league in house boxing club. In over two years now PBC has failed to manufacture even one transcending star or even a star period. PBC is just a minor league of B fighters fancily packaged by a very ambitious choreographer. Fans want to see the best vs the best not minor league boxing. Haymon refuses to risk his "best" fighters against the best competition and that's why PBC is destined to fail.

I guess if you’re American and you want to cite “major league” “A fighters”, then you’d probably boast about HBO’s pound-for-pound roster, since they’re Al Haymon’s only real competition.

However, apart from Canelo Alvarez, the vast majority of them are far removed from their respective primes, whilst also on the verge of retirement.

Even the likes of Terence Crawford & Vasyl Lomachenko are likely to be on the decline in the next couple of years, since they’re both almost 30 years of age.

In the last couple of years, apart from Anthony Joshua, how many promoters and TV networks (excluding Al Haymon’s PBC) have actually manufactured a proverbial “star” whose popularity transcends into the mainstream?

Enlightened-One wrote:

crusader wrote:Uh oh? Gone from Spike and ESPN, and Chris Manix has apparently suggested that it will be dropped from other networks too.

Does this mean fewer fights for the huge Haymon stable? Could we see more guys jumping ship?

We had this long debate more than a year ago, with people from this forum joyfully and bizarrely celebrating its rumoured demise. Even the HBO pundits seemed to be revelling in its alleged failure... and look what happened?

The PBC will eventually be dropped from certain networks, as the original time buy contracts expire, with Al Haymon eventually demanding/negotiating licence fees for the rights to continue televising his shows.

We also know that the PBC strategically televise shows on a seasonal basis to avoid going head-to-head with bigger sporting events or during time periods where their target demographic are least likely to watch boxing or TV in general. Boxing on Sky Sports in the UK usually experiences a similar two to three month hiatus in the Summer.

There are still a lot of PBC events being televised by Showtime and Fox until the end of May - many more non-PPV shows than HBO are broadcasting.

So why don't we just wait and see what happens?

Regardless of what happens with the PBC, Haymon is no longer the toast of the town that every boxer thanks in post fight interviews inside the ring (just after God/sometimes before). You are hearing it less and less and the failure of the PBC to take flight HAS to have an effect on his stable of fighters. It's an assumption, but I think that Haymon acquired a large number of top boxers because of the hook that the PBC was going to make them a household name. What young boxer wouldn't want to get in on the ground floor for that? Now that it doesn't appear that it's going to happen, the bait is gone and Haymon loses a big lure in his fishing box.

To me, that's great news for Boxing. We need a distribution of wealth in order see the fights like we are seeing this year more often. Haymon had the lion's share of boxers and he wasn't pitting them together for our enjoyment. The wrong guy had the keys to the car IMO. Now promoters are seeing what kind of money and attention is accrued by pitting the best against the best. I don't think it's a one off this year. I think they are setting the groundwork for this to be the norm in boxing. I hope that i'm right.

Here's an updated list of PBC fight cards involving Al Haymon's stable of fighters during the current month of July:

• Date = 15/07/17; Network = Fox; Figueroa vs. Guerrero; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 18/07/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Flores vs. Alvalos; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 29/07/17; Network = Showtime; Broner vs. Garcia; Title = Non-title bout
• Date = 30/07/17; Network = Fox Sports 1; Ortiz vs. Corral; Title = Non-title bout