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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Feel free to stop bringing him up. I know you're sinking into senility, but nobody enjoys your creation turned obsession.

As far as Kman.......I didn't mind openly disagreeing with the old crok and pulling his chain now and again, though I thought he returned the favor as well.......though.... once in while we did find agreement . I believe we found common ground on Monzon...and a few other subjects.


Your choice of the word "sinking" is surprising....based on what you used to think of me a decade ago, I would have imagined you would want to credit me for "rising" to senility. You're slipping Saad.

Changing the subject here...... you and your delightful delusions of intellectual and intuitive competence, are a big hit and never cease to be infinitely entertaining........

so....just speakin' for myself.....don't ever change....and let's have plenty more!

BoxBuzz wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Feel free to stop bringing him up. I know you're sinking into senility, but nobody enjoys your creation turned obsession.

As far as Kman.......I didn't mind openly disagreeing with the old crok and pulling his chain now and again, though I thought he returned the favor as well.......though.... once in while we did find agreement . I believe we found common ground on Monzon...and a few other subjects.


Your choice of the word "sinking" is surprising....based on what you used to think of me a decade ago, I would have imagined you would want to credit me for "rising" to senility. You're slipping Saad.

Changing the subject here...... you and your delightful delusions of intellectual and intuitive competence, are a big hit and never cease to be infinitely entertaining........

so....just speakin' for myself.....don't ever change....and let's have plenty more!

Happy Easter, kalan.

Saad....if it is your belief that I am Kalan.....than so be it. Your beliefs do not break a single rule.

Perhaps you are the Easter Bunny?

Now drink your ensure, and the nice lady will 'round soon with your meds.

BoxBuzz wrote:Saad....if it is your belief that I am Kalan.....than so be it. Your beliefs do not break a single rule.

Perhaps you are the Easter Bunny?

Now drink your ensure, and the nice lady will 'round soon with your meds.

Buzz....

Long threads of you arguing with yourself? A mod deliberately trolling users here to enjoy the forum? A mod using BOTP to indulge his writer fantasies? It wouldn't surprise me if you were Il Duce too. That was another one desperate to annoy and who wrote a lot of trashy fiction. Same MO as your Kalan creation.

Haye is all wrong for Chris Byrd. Byrd has beaten tougher men, but he never beat anyone as fast. I could see Haye winning this by about 2-3 pts.

BoxBuzz wrote:Saad....if it is your belief that I am Kalan.....than so be it. Your beliefs do not break a single rule.

Perhaps you are the Easter Bunny?

Now drink your ensure, and the nice lady will 'round soon with your meds.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Saad....if it is your belief that I am Kalan.....than so be it. Your beliefs do not break a single rule.

Perhaps you are the Easter Bunny?

Now drink your ensure, and the nice lady will 'round soon with your meds.

Buzz....

Long threads of you arguing with yourself? A mod deliberately trolling users here to enjoy the forum? A mod using BOTP to indulge his writer fantasies? It wouldn't surprise me if you were Il Duce too. That was another one desperate to annoy and who wrote a lot of trashy fiction. Same MO as your Kalan creation.

Tuan, it would be very odd and very eccentric if true......and whether true or false...I'm just glad it titillates ya....cuz you deserve such a mystery....and one does need a bit of wonderment in a barren existence.....so...please wonder away......I'm sure it beats whatever else you probably don't have goin' on. However...it is probably best for us to put baseless accusations away from this point on. I'll get the ball rolling by taking back half the bad things I've said about you........whaddya say ol buddy? I won't accuse you of being Saad, if you don't accuse me of being you.

Whatever, kalan.

Tough call

I went haye

Haye would be an easy winner... You can see that Wladimir Klitschko never caught Haye with a single really big punch and lost a couple rounds... And Klitschko dominated Byrd like he owned him twice -- beat him like a step-child... Bryd was so beat up after those fights he had to be led to the biff by the hand... Haye was still alert and not badly beaten after the Klitschko fight.. He gladly removed his shoe and showed us his broken toe for all to see -- which he claimed caused his defeat.. Byrd didn't show us any broken toe -- he had a broken face.. He was 3 times the boxer Byrd was.

This would have been an entertaining fight (and you can't say that about most Heavyweight bouts of recent years)

The two most likely outcomes would either be a Bryd pts victory or a Haye stoppage.

For me, I think that Haye corners him and blasts him out.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever, kalan.

Whatever BuzzBox

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Whatever, kalan.

Whatever BuzzBox

No bother Davie

Oh shite....

davie wrote:Oh shite....

Hi brother Elmersalsa... How you doing?

Crease wrote:This would have been an entertaining fight (and you can't say that about most Heavyweight bouts of recent years)

The two most likely outcomes would either be a Bryd pts victory or a Haye stoppage.

For me, I think that Haye corners him and blasts him out.

Byrd was a slick mover, would he get caught in the corner?

People need to look at Byrd's 2 efforts against Wladimir Klitschko (1st effort vs a pre-Steward Klitschko) ... Never winning a round or landing a decent punch -- and getting ripped to pieces like the inept defender he was against anybody really quick who was a brilliant defender technically.

And look at Haye's fight vs prime Klitschko... Never caught with a damaging blow and landing some big bombs on Wlad that drove sweat into the 20th row.

Than Byrd's anemic effort against the super speedy rookie, Ike Ibeabuchi -- who had 19 fights while Byrd had 27... Byrd's leaky defense strikes again!!!

We're talking prime Byrd and Haye now... Let's not bring up the 10-fight Haye and the 37-year-old Haye with a torn Achilles tendon.

Kalan wrote:People need to look at Byrd's 2 efforts against Wladimir Klitschko (1st effort vs a pre-Steward Klitschko) ... Never winning a round or landing a decent punch -- and getting ripped to pieces like the inept defender he was against anybody really quick who was a brilliant defender technically.

And look at Haye's fight vs prime Klitschko... Never caught with a damaging blow and landing some big bombs on Wlad that drove sweat into the 20th row.

Than Byrd's anemic effort against the super speedy rookie, Ike Ibeabuchi -- who had 19 fights while Byrd had 27... Byrd's leaky defense strikes again!!!

We're talking prime Byrd and Haye now... Let's not bring up the 10-fight Haye and the 37-year-old Haye with a torn Achilles tendon.

You have excellent knowledge about this sport. You write a lot, and i'm not usually a reader but I appreciate your comments.

How/where do you rate Byrd in any of you're lists?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: How/where do you rate Byrd in any of you're lists?

He's not that interesting to me.. He's not super exceptional.. Byrd didn't rank in last place among Heavyweight Champions.. He certainly had skills. I would probably rank him about 15 to 20% down the chain.. I don't know how many Heavyweight Champions there were in History.. a lot of 'em. A fifth the way down.

Byrd was a clever boxer, but I was never impressed with him because he DID catch big shots.. He looked terrific for Tua and that's about it.. Versus Ibeabuchi he looked to be in trouble every second he was in there.. It was inevitable he was going to catch big punches.. Ike was ripping Byrd to the body and popping him upside the head with superior hand speed.. Wladimir Klitschko had very fast hands and hammered a drumbeat on Haye's head.. And people always blast me for slamming Ali.. He was a clever boxer like Byrd -- but anyone with fast fists was able to hit Ali.. I would even say the same thing about Jimmy Young.. It seemed anybody with exceptionally fast hands could put it on Jimmy Young -- or Jimmy Ellis as well.. Fast hands does not mean you can beat everybody of course.. I always thought prime Frazier had fast hands -- but lacked the size or strength to deal with Foreman or guys like him. Like Patterson with Sonny Liston.

This is why I always said Ike Ibeabuchi would have been nearly unbeatable with 5 more fights... He he had size, strength, speed, and a cast-iron chin.

But I'll say any Heavyweight with exceptionally quick hands would pound Byrd real good.. That would include a prime David Haye because nobody was faster.

Ali, Young, Byrd, and Ellis were all guys who could be touched real good with blazing fast fists... They were the quartet with Ali leading the chorus. The thing Ibeabuchi, Joshua, Lewis, and the Klitschko Bros had was size, strength, speed, skills, and all had great chins except for Wladimir and Lewis.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Byrd was a slick mover, would he get caught in the corner?

Byrd was pretty slick. But Haye is exceptional fast for a Heavyweight. Yes, I think David corners him and overpowers him.
But as I say, a good fight - definitely one that I would pay to watch.

Crease wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Byrd was a slick mover, would he get caught in the corner?

Byrd was pretty slick. But Haye is exceptional fast for a Heavyweight. Yes, I think David corners him and overpowers him.
But as I say, a good fight - definitely one that I would pay to watch.

Yeh, i'm glad we didn't see it in 2008/9.. now that would have been a 4th round stoppage win for Haye..

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Yeh, i'm glad we didn't see it in 2008/9.. now that would have been a 4th round stoppage win for Haye..

Agreed. But had it have taken place earlier, let's say 2003/04ish - then I would have to put Byrd down as the favourite for that bout. Haye was too inexperienced then to beat Byrd. Chris would have outpointed him conclusively I'd say.

Crease wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Yeh, i'm glad we didn't see it in 2008/9.. now that would have been a 4th round stoppage win for Haye..

Agreed. But had it have taken place earlier, let's say 2003/04ish - then I would have to put Byrd down as the favourite for that bout. Haye was too inexperienced then to beat Byrd. Chris would have outpointed him conclusively I'd say.

Prime4Prime.. I would edge towards Haye to be honest..

Since I never revealed my vote. Byrd by surprisingly wide decision. Haye likes to load up and that's no way to catch a prime Byrd with any frequency.

Haye didn't load up against anybody who was difficult to hit...

Haye nailed Wladimir Klitschko with some terrific, deceptive, and very smooth right handers -- and won rounds off of Wladimir, even with that broken toe he used as an excuse for losing... Haye came out of that fight against a much better boxer than Byrd -- with minor bruising and none the worse for wear.. That's after Wladimir promised to make him into a "pizza face" like he did Byrd.. Haye's and Wladimir's faces looked similar in damage.

Byrd never bothered Wlad with a single blow and was badly battered with a continual onslaught of jabs, hooks, and right crosses... In the face of a superior boxer the caliber of Wladimir Klitschko or David Haye -- there wouldn't be whole lot Byrd could do to escape. He just didn't have any power.