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marvelous marv wrote:Ruiz might be the only guy at Heavy that politically won't fight Wilder as he is with Golden Boy as was Ortiz until very recently. Ortiz-Wilder seems like it will happen this year. Takam is solid, but wasnt ranked by the WBC until recently.

Wilder would never fight Ortiz. No money in fighting Ortiz and Ortiz is Top 10. Wilder's too cowardly for that.

Not even in this scenario?:

Winner of Wlad/Joshua has to fight Pulev IBF or Ortiz WBA as a mandatory. The winner opts for Pulev. Ortiz is left to fight someone for a vacant WBA belt. That someone is not Briggs/Oquendo as they have to fight Ustinov next.

marvelous marv wrote:Not even in this scenario?:

Winner of Wlad/Joshua has to fight Pulev IBF or Ortiz WBA as a mandatory. The winner opts for Pulev. Ortiz is left to fight someone for a vacant WBA belt. That someone is not Briggs/Oquendo as they have to fight Ustinov next.

He wouldn't fight Ortiz under any circumstances.

Sure he would.

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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Sure he would.

What leads you to believe that?

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I know you're kidding, but you're actually probably right. He'd sooner fight Martin than he would Ortiz.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Sure he would.

What leads you to believe that?

I think he's ready and willing to fight all of them. he proved that to me by signing to fight Povetkin in Russia. The struggles of the PBC don't do him any favors for opponents either. We all have weak spots with fighters we hate. Wilder is yours.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Sure he would.

What leads you to believe that?

I think he's ready and willing to fight all of them. he proved that to me by signing to fight Povetkin in Russia. The struggles of the PBC don't do him any favors for opponents either. We all have weak spots with fighters we hate. Wilder is yours.

I just don't understand why he's constantly given the benefit of the doubt that he's willing to fight good fighters when it's been over 2 years and he hasn't fought a single Top 10 opponent. It's like I'm the only one who acknowledges what he's ACTUALLY doing instead of what he might do.

marvelous marv wrote:Ruiz might be the only guy at Heavy that politically won't fight Wilder as he is with Golden Boy as was Ortiz until very recently. Ortiz-Wilder seems like it will happen this year. Takam is solid, but wasnt ranked by the WBC until recently.

WBC will rank anybody suggested by Haymon. That has already happened.

boxing_rocks wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Ruiz might be the only guy at Heavy that politically won't fight Wilder as he is with Golden Boy as was Ortiz until very recently. Ortiz-Wilder seems like it will happen this year. Takam is solid, but wasnt ranked by the WBC until recently.

WBC will rank anybody suggested by Haymon. That has already happened.

stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories

You don't need a conspiracy theory to know that Wilder's next opponent will be somebody not ranked Top 10. At least not by any respectable rankings organization.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
What leads you to believe that?

I think he's ready and willing to fight all of them. he proved that to me by signing to fight Povetkin in Russia. The struggles of the PBC don't do him any favors for opponents either. We all have weak spots with fighters we hate. Wilder is yours.

I just don't understand why he's constantly given the benefit of the doubt that he's willing to fight good fighters when it's been over 2 years and he hasn't fought a single Top 10 opponent. It's like I'm the only one who acknowledges what he's ACTUALLY doing instead of what he might do.

There is a difference between the benefit of the doubt and not giving an ounce of credence to legitimate circumstances. He certainly isn't a coward.

gilgamesh wrote:You don't need a conspiracy theory to know that Wilder's next opponent will be somebody not ranked Top 10. At least not by any respectable rankings organization.

I'd take that bet.

Arreola was WBC 9 when they fought. But that wasnt a fight I cared for much.

marvelous marv wrote:Arreola was WBC 9 when they fought. But that wasnt a fight I cared for much.

Like I said. He won't be ranked by any RESPECTABLE rankings organization. The WBC and indeed all other title organizations rankings are bought and sold. They have no credibility.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I think he's ready and willing to fight all of them. he proved that to me by signing to fight Povetkin in Russia. The struggles of the PBC don't do him any favors for opponents either. We all have weak spots with fighters we hate. Wilder is yours.

I just don't understand why he's constantly given the benefit of the doubt that he's willing to fight good fighters when it's been over 2 years and he hasn't fought a single Top 10 opponent. It's like I'm the only one who acknowledges what he's ACTUALLY doing instead of what he might do.

There is a difference between the benefit of the doubt and not giving an ounce of credence to legitimate circumstances. He certainly isn't a coward.

What credence is there to give? I'm not talking about Povetkin. I'm talking about the fact that he's 5 title defenses deep and hasn't fought a single deserving contender.

The Povetkin situation didn't hold him up for 5 f*cking fights. Don't give me that sh*t.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:You don't need a conspiracy theory to know that Wilder's next opponent will be somebody not ranked Top 10. At least not by any respectable rankings organization.

I'd take that bet.

I'd be happy to take your money too. Too bad we don't live near each other. It'd be a nice bet between friends.

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gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:You don't need a conspiracy theory to know that Wilder's next opponent will be somebody not ranked Top 10. At least not by any respectable rankings organization.

I'd take that bet.

I'd be happy to take your money too. Too bad we don't live near each other. It'd be a nice bet between friends.

I trust you. $10. He's going to fight Parker.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I just don't understand why he's constantly given the benefit of the doubt that he's willing to fight good fighters when it's been over 2 years and he hasn't fought a single Top 10 opponent. It's like I'm the only one who acknowledges what he's ACTUALLY doing instead of what he might do.

There is a difference between the benefit of the doubt and not giving an ounce of credence to legitimate circumstances. He certainly isn't a coward.

What credence is there to give? I'm not talking about Povetkin. I'm talking about the fact that he's 5 title defenses deep and hasn't fought a single deserving contender.

The Povetkin situation didn't hold him up for 5 f*cking fights. Don't give me that sh*t.

Lol

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I'd take that bet.

I'd be happy to take your money too. Too bad we don't live near each other. It'd be a nice bet between friends.

I trust you. $10. He's going to fight Parker.

You're on...but I'll only pay out if the fight actually goes down. Doesn't have to be Parker either. It can be anybody ranked in the Top 10 by a respectable Rankings organization. Meaning The Ring or TBRB.

We could also use The13thround's rankings, but since I'm one of the people that contributes to those you probably wouldn't want to do that. Understandably so

This is a win-win for me actually as I'd be fine with being wrong because it would mean Wilder finally fought a challenger with a pulse.

gilgamesh wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Arreola was WBC 9 when they fought. But that wasnt a fight I cared for much.

Like I said. He won't be ranked by any RESPECTABLE rankings organization. The WBC and indeed all other title organizations rankings are bought and sold. They have no credibility.

Out of curiosity, whose rankings do you consider respectable?

BTW, you are way off in thinking Wilder is a coward. He has had some soft touches since his championship win. Some of those due to unfortunate circumstances. But, I think the softness of his opponents has been blown out of proportion. I don't believe you were a fan of his even before his title win (correct me if I'm wrong). But if that's the case, it's only natural that you would be a skeptic of his now as well.

Impractical Poster wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Arreola was WBC 9 when they fought. But that wasnt a fight I cared for much.

Like I said. He won't be ranked by any RESPECTABLE rankings organization. The WBC and indeed all other title organizations rankings are bought and sold. They have no credibility.

Out of curiosity, whose rankings do you consider respectable?

BTW, you are way off in thinking Wilder is a coward. He has had some soft touches since his championship win. Some of those due to unfortunate circumstances. But, I think the softness of his opponents has been blown out of proportion. I don't believe you were a fan of his even before his title win (correct me if I'm wrong). But if that's the case, it's only natural that you would be a skeptic of his now as well.

I was never a fan of Wilder, but I never had anything against him until he won the title and has ducked ALL Top 10 opponents since doing so.

I've edited my above post to answer your question about who has respectable rankings.

A great deal of my criticism of Wilder would cease if he'd fight credible opponents. When I first started following the sport I sh*t on Roy Jones hard for the opposition he fought, but I respected him after fighting Tarver twice in a row. Win or Lose a fighter usually has my respect if he's willing to fight the best available contenders, and a fighter easily earns my disdain by NOT fighting the best available contenders. At least when they're a titleholder.

I agree, his matchmaking is better than vitalis was.