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Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
So if they fought tomorrow at 160, you would take Lemieux over Canelo? Do yourself a favor and don't bet on any boxing unless you have a good amount of cash you can lose.

I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Maybe because nobody can win a decision against Canelo, and people think highly about his chin. However, I don't think his chin experienced anything like Lemieux punches. I don't count 2.5 rounds against severely drained Kirkland.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Maybe because nobody can win a decision against Canelo, and people think highly about his chin. However, I don't think his chin experienced anything like Lemieux punches. I don't count 2.5 rounds against severely drained Kirkland.

And he's a level above Lemieux

Lemieux is a truly basic boxer. But his punch is his get out

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Maybe because nobody can win a decision against Canelo, and people think highly about his chin. However, I don't think his chin experienced anything like Lemieux punches. I don't count 2.5 rounds against severely drained Kirkland.

And he's a level above Lemieux

Lemieux is a truly basic boxer. But his punch is his get out

Lemieux is good enough to trouble Canelo we know who gasses at the end of every round. If it doesn't happen at 164, then Canelo's chances become much better.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Maybe because nobody can win a decision against Canelo, and people think highly about his chin. However, I don't think his chin experienced anything like Lemieux punches. I don't count 2.5 rounds against severely drained Kirkland.

And he's a level above Lemieux

Lemieux is a truly basic boxer. But his punch is his get out

Lemieux is good enough to trouble Canelo we know who gasses at the end of every round. If it doesn't happen at 164, then Canelo's chances become much better.

Other than a power shot I really don't see any boxing from Lemieux that should worry canelo

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
And he's a level above Lemieux

Lemieux is a truly basic boxer. But his punch is his get out

Lemieux is good enough to trouble Canelo we know who gasses at the end of every round. If it doesn't happen at 164, then Canelo's chances become much better.

Other than a power shot I really don't see any boxing from Lemieux that should worry canelo

Yes, power and pressure is what can win that fight for Lemieux.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Lemieux is good enough to trouble Canelo we know who gasses at the end of every round. If it doesn't happen at 164, then Canelo's chances become much better.

Other than a power shot I really don't see any boxing from Lemieux that should worry canelo

Yes, power and pressure is what can win that fight for Lemieux.

Well hopefully get too see. I expect Lemieux to be completely out classed as per the ggg fight where his dreadful footwork, boxing iq and ring craft was shown up

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Other than a power shot I really don't see any boxing from Lemieux that should worry canelo

Yes, power and pressure is what can win that fight for Lemieux.

Well hopefully get too see. I expect Lemieux to be completely out classed as per the ggg fight where his dreadful footwork, boxing iq and ring craft was shown up

Golovkin outclassed Lemieux mainly due to superior jab and footwork. Canelo is not particularly good in any of that.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
Yes, power and pressure is what can win that fight for Lemieux.

Well hopefully get too see. I expect Lemieux to be completely out classed as per the ggg fight where his dreadful footwork, boxing iq and ring craft was shown up

Golovkin outclassed Lemieux mainly due to superior jab and footwork. Canelo is not particularly good in any of that.

Can't work out if you're anti canelo or really pro Lemieux, but you're not being that realistic.

Golovkin absolutely battered Lemieux and there's not a single piece of lemiuexs skill set or athletic ability I'd take over golovkin

Canelo is also clearly a level above Lemieux and enters that fight as strong favourite. He has Lemieux covered also in every dept except possible absolute 1 punch power. Lemieux has a punchers chance. That is literally it

You wouldn't be able to figure out punching power unless someone would actually measure the punching power using some sort of measuring tool that would calculate the force each boxer is exerting in one single punch.
There is also the argument of how one's punching power sustains during a fight. For example a fighter's punching power might decrease round by round as they get more tired.

Otherwise the only way to really have a decent comparison is have other fighters give their opinions on who they have faced that from their experience has the biggest power.

Many boxers who have faced and sparred with GGG say that the guy hits "like Heavyweight", so I would probably rate GGG above all of these, but I'm assuming Lemieux is a close second. There is a reason that GGG boxed his ass off against David and didn't try to get in an exchange type of encounter.

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
LOL to Canelo being above Lemieux. Are we talking about Canelo who was landing on Cotto but failed to hurt him? What is his puncher reputation based on? Stopping chinny Khan and Kirkland?

So if they fought tomorrow at 160, you would take Lemieux over Canelo? Do yourself a favor and don't bet on any boxing unless you have a good amount of cash you can lose.

I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

You come up with a ridiculous prediction like that and then call me stupid? Canelo would knock the stuffing out of Lemieux and he'd do it quicker that GGG did. I'm a Lemieux fan as well but even i think that you're ridiculous.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Maybe because nobody can win a decision against Canelo, and people think highly about his chin. However, I don't think his chin experienced anything like Lemieux punches. I don't count 2.5 rounds against severely drained Kirkland.

People are always trying to put an asterisks on the Kirkland win. How come? Canelo took that fight on after Kirkland almost killed Tapia in the ring and was looking like a freak again. It's not Canelo's fault that Kirkland dropped his trainer for that fight and showed up less than aptly prepared. Who says he wasn't prepared well actually? Canelo should get more credit for demolishing Kirkland IMO>

Canelo gets no credit for beating a guy who got wiped out by weakling Niruhero Ishida in the 1st round.

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:
So if they fought tomorrow at 160, you would take Lemieux over Canelo? Do yourself a favor and don't bet on any boxing unless you have a good amount of cash you can lose.

I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Yes, but Lemieux is capable to achieve one punch KO. I would give hime 10 % chance....

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

boxing_rocks wrote:
I would expect Lemieux to stop Canelo. We may actually see that in September. By the way, who wins has no direct dependency on punching power, so you point is plain stupid.

Canelo is big favourite vs Lemieux

Yes, but Lemieux is capable to achieve one punch KO. I would give hime 10 % chance....

Lemieux isn't disciplined enough to beat the brass out there unfortunately. It was disappointing to see how flabby he looked in that last fight with Curtis. He fought great but you could tell he could never go 12 rounds.

There is no point to go 12 rounds against Canelo, as DLH got judges. Lemieux would need to finish Canyellow in the first 6.

Lemieux loses badly to Canelo... a very one-sided fight!

We haven't seen Canelo's power as a fully-fledged 160lb-er, so there's no point in including him in the thread title.

verlichte wrote:Lemieux loses badly to Canelo... a very one-sided fight!

We haven't seen Canelo's power as a fully-fledged 160lb-er, so there's no point in including him in the thread title.

Canelo would have been at HW, if he competed forty years ago - same day weighing, + 175....

ValMar wrote:

verlichte wrote:Lemieux loses badly to Canelo... a very one-sided fight!

We haven't seen Canelo's power as a fully-fledged 160lb-er, so there's no point in including him in the thread title.

Canelo would have been at HW, if he competed forty years ago - same day weighing, + 175....

WTF?

verlichte wrote:

ValMar wrote:

verlichte wrote:Lemieux loses badly to Canelo... a very one-sided fight!

We haven't seen Canelo's power as a fully-fledged 160lb-er, so there's no point in including him in the thread title.

Canelo would have been at HW, if he competed forty years ago - same day weighing, + 175....

WTF?

Canelo's fight night weight used to be over 175, at least since 2015. Is this true ?
Fighter weighed over 175 would have been HW, forty years ago. Is this true ?
I do not claim Canelo (1977) would have been at HW, of course, he would have tried to make LHW limit.

This is off topic, totally.....

ValMar wrote:

verlichte wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Canelo would have been at HW, if he competed forty years ago - same day weighing, + 175....

WTF?

Canelo's fight night weight used to be over 175, at least since 2015. Is this true ?
Fighter weighed over 175 would have been HW, forty years ago. Is this true ?
I do not claim Canelo (1977) would have been at HW, of course, he would have tried to make LHW limit.

This is off topic, totally.....

OK, fair enough. It just seemed like a random comment, which confused me.

verlichte wrote:

ValMar wrote:

verlichte wrote: WTF?

Canelo's fight night weight used to be over 175, at least since 2015. Is this true ?
Fighter weighed over 175 would have been HW, forty years ago. Is this true ?
I do not claim Canelo (1977) would have been at HW, of course, he would have tried to make LHW limit.

This is off topic, totally.....

OK, fair enough. It just seemed like a random comment, which confused me.