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After last night I have no doubt that wlad would beat his pillow fisted older brother.

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's easily the most overrated, but nobody expects much from you.

Nobody expects anything from you but biased hatred. He's the most underrated Heavyweight Champion. 3 X Heavyweight Champion and never out-boxed.

The only thing you know about fighting is your war against acne. Stop pretending you have a clue, virgin.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:After that Vitali ran from Rahman. Right Kalan?

Lewis ran from the Vitali rematch after losing on all scorecards in their first fight... Rahman was so bad he was a massive underdog to the Klitschko's. Nobody cared about those fights or about Rahman. Sam Peter was even a better champion because he easily stopped the chinny Oleg Maskaev and Maskaev knocked Rahman out twice -- so it was no accident.. Rahman''s whole career can be boiled down to the Lewis KO shot in one of history's biggest upsets. Lewis had his head locked up his ass in that fight. Fought more like Jess Willard than Lennox Lewis.

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:After that Vitali ran from Rahman. Right Kalan?

Lewis ran from the Vitali rematch after losing on all scorecards in their first fight... Rahman was so bad he was a massive underdog to the Klitschko's. Nobody cared about those fights or about Rahman. Sam Peter was even a better champion because he easily stopped the chinny Oleg Maskaev and Maskaev knocked Rahman out twice -- so it was no accident.. Rahman''s whole career can be boiled down to the Lewis KO shot in one of history's biggest upsets. Lewis had his head locked up his ass in that fight. Fought more like Jess Willard than Lennox Lewis.

Vitali ran into retirement to avoid Rahman. You can't have it both ways lollipop.

Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:After that Vitali ran from Rahman. Right Kalan?

Lewis ran from the Vitali rematch after losing on all scorecards in their first fight... Rahman was so bad he was a massive underdog to the Klitschko's. Nobody cared about those fights or about Rahman. Sam Peter was even a better champion because he easily stopped the chinny Oleg Maskaev and Maskaev knocked Rahman out twice -- so it was no accident.. Rahman''s whole career can be boiled down to the Lewis KO shot in one of history's biggest upsets. Lewis had his head locked up his ass in that fight. Fought more like Jess Willard than Lennox Lewis.

Vitali ran into retirement to avoid Rahman. You can't have it both ways lollipop.

Shut up stupid. Rahman was a nobody Vitali would crush like an ant.

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:After that Vitali ran from Rahman. Right Kalan?

Lewis ran from the Vitali rematch after losing on all scorecards in their first fight... Rahman was so bad he was a massive underdog to the Klitschko's. Nobody cared about those fights or about Rahman. Sam Peter was even a better champion because he easily stopped the chinny Oleg Maskaev and Maskaev knocked Rahman out twice -- so it was no accident.. Rahman''s whole career can be boiled down to the Lewis KO shot in one of history's biggest upsets. Lewis had his head locked up his ass in that fight. Fought more like Jess Willard than Lennox Lewis.

"After losing on all scorecards in their first fight"

Translation

Won the fight in a stoppage whilst behind on the cards

Kalan wrote:Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

Tyson was finished when Vitali arrived at the top

So was Holyfield

And bowe even before that

Where are you getting your timelines from?

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

Tyson was finished when Vitali arrived at the top

So was Holyfield

And bowe even before that

Where are you getting your timelines from?

That's the worst possible BS.. They were big time duckers and weren't finished by a long shot when Vitali arrived at the top... Tyson and Evander fought for a long time after Vitali became World Champion by knocking out Herbie Hide in 2 rounds for his 25th straight KO win... Tyson knocked out Andrew Golota after that and fought Lennox Lewis 2 years after that -- but Mike had no intention of ever fighting the Klitschko's saying they were too big for him...

Holyfield fought Lennox Lewis, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, and Chris Byrd after Vitali became a World Champion, but he refused to fight the K Bros...

Bowe effectively retired after he beat Golota twice by DQ... He was too young to retire but wanted not part of Lennox Lewis or the K Bros in the 2000's.. Bowe fought sporadically in the 2000's but only awful bums.. He turned down all fights with Lewis or the K Bros..

Maybe I should excuse Bowe...he was a sadder mental case than Tyson Fury.. He was maybe not fit to be boxing for a living after the Golota fights.

Kalan wrote:Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

Vitali retired after cancelling a Rahman mandatory

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

Tyson was finished when Vitali arrived at the top

So was Holyfield

And bowe even before that

Where are you getting your timelines from?

That's the worst possible BS.. They were big time duckers and weren't finished by a long shot when Vitali arrived at the top... Tyson and Evander fought for a long time after Vitali became World Champion by knocking out Herbie Hide in 2 rounds for his 25th straight KO win... Tyson knocked out Andrew Golota after that and fought Lennox Lewis 2 years after that -- but Mike had no intention of ever fighting the Klitschko's saying they were too big for him...

Holyfield fought Lennox Lewis, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, and Chris Byrd after Vitali became a World Champion, but he refused to fight the K Bros...

Bowe effectively retired after he beat Golota twice by DQ... He was too young to retire but wanted not part of Lennox Lewis or the K Bros in the 2000's.. Bowe fought sporadically in the 2000's but only awful bums.. He turned down all fights with Lewis or the K Bros..

Maybe I should excuse Bowe...he was a sadder mental case than Tyson Fury.. He was maybe not fit to be boxing for a living after the Golota fights.

No yours it's utter shite

You've concede bowe, so that's 1/3 of your post you're offering up as shite

Tyson - Tyson was spent as a top fighter while Vitali was on top, massively in debt. Vitali wasn't exactly a money fight. Vitali was not a draw till the Lewis fight. Tyson had no belts for Vitali to target him. No money no fight. Tyson was in big debt only getting a fraction of his purses. You can say Tyson fought on for a few years while Vitali was on top, but anyone with a fraction of knowledge re boxing know there was no realistic lap over

Holyfield - fought on for a few years correct, but another shot fighter. Lost to Toney, Donald, valuev, Ruiz... when is this a credible fight?

Very clueless posting from you

Klitschko was always going to be too much for Herbie. He had some skill, power and movement but he was the classic school bully, anytime he got hit back he lost. But the fact that Klitschko swamped him so quickly did mark Vitali as someone to watch, even if the belt was of the paper variety.

Agreed Flump...and like you say, it was more of an impressive statement of intent from VK that he was very different.

He was the big European heavyweight, fighting away from home who did not do 'the usual' and fold...and he actually put it right on Hide.

I can recall the build-up even now. The Brit press (not all of them to be fair) were really quite disparaging about Vitali - shades of Bruno-Ekuland I suppose - with VK supposedly playing the role of the lumbering/huge Ekuland. We'd seen plenty of towering but hittable Euro heavies before!

The one thing that Hide learnt that night was that VK was not just another mammoth, immobile guy from the continent...and he got that lesson applied the hard way.

Ossyrules wrote:
Where are you getting your timelines from?

Not recommending you do this but if you were to sniff them you'd know where he pulls them out of

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

He had recorded 45 wins, with 41 KO's!

Which was his best and/or defining win?

What was his best KO win?

Some names that he has fought include:
Herbie Hide
Corrie Sanders
Danny Williams
Samuel Peter
Chris Arreola
Kevin Johnson
Shannon Briggs
Tomasz Adamek
Dereck Chisora

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Another question..

Regardless of win/loss.. Who was his best opponent?

From the list above, this would include:
Chris Byrd
Lennox Lewis

The current ring magazine gives you Vitali's picks.

Best over all - Lewis
Fastest Jab - Donald
Hardest hitter - Sanders
Best chin - Williams.

The Williams pick for best chin seems like an odd choice, I'd say Purity whom he stopped, or Donald who was never stopped.

Vitali would not beat

Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis, heck I don't think he would beat the Ike or Tua who fought each other.

As for his best win. Goodness knows.

Looking at Vitali's 12 title victories in it's entirety does seem somewhat underwhelming at this time.
Maybe in the future, it will be classed differently.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing, living through Vitali's reign there was no question in my mind that he was the Number One Heavyweight out there (ahead of his younger brother).

But I just think that Wlad's victories over Povetkin, Haye & Pulev have over shown what his older brother achieved in his time.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Kalan wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He's easily the most overrated, but nobody expects much from you.

Nobody expects anything from you but biased hatred. He's the most underrated Heavyweight Champion. 3 X Heavyweight Champion and never out-boxed.

The only thing you know about fighting is your war against acne. Stop pretending you have a clue, virgin.

Zing, take that Kalan.

Klee Gluckman wrote:Vitali would not beat

Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe or Lewis, heck I don't think he would beat the Ike or Tua who fought each other.

As for his best win. Goodness knows.

I think he would or could beat them all.

Tyson wasn't very dangerous in the mid to later rounds, and had trouble with bigger fighters like say Douglas and Lewis

Holyfield has a similar problem. How many fights did he really win with Bowe and Lewis? 1!

Bowe was battered by the foul pole, Andrew Golota.

Tua is vastly over rated.

Vitali's best win may have been Tomasz Adamek... Adamek was 6'2" X 216 and had a 44-1 ring record... He had never stopped and was a 2-Division World Champion at 175 and 200-pounds... Vitali fought him in Wroclaw Poland and as Heavyweight Champion he fought in many different countries... Vitali was 40 years old to a prime 34 for Adamek.. He dominated Adamek every round and stopped him for the first time in his career. In his previous fight Adamek beat Michael Grant to prepare for the huge Vitali.

Larry Holmes was only 35 when he lost the Heavyweight Title to Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks who had no prior experience at Heavyweight.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:After that Vitali ran from Rahman. Right Kalan?

I can't believe Boxbuzz is continuing with this charade. Someone needs to take his keyboard from him.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

He had recorded 45 wins, with 41 KO's!

Which was his best and/or defining win?

What was his best KO win?

Some names that he has fought include:
Herbie Hide
Corrie Sanders
Danny Williams
Samuel Peter
Chris Arreola
Kevin Johnson
Shannon Briggs
Tomasz Adamek
Dereck Chisora

-----------------
Another question..

Regardless of win/loss.. Who was his best opponent?


From the list above, this would include:
Chris Byrd
Lennox Lewis

Like Thomas Hearns, most of his memorable moments were in a loss. He showed major balls against Lewis and took some serious leather on the chin (I still don't know how he stood after that giant uppercut.) but he kept coming back with some sweet combos. As for his Ws, I'd say Danny Williams was his most dominant because he practically tenderized Williams with all the power shots he landed. Lewis is, obviously, his best opponent.

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:Williams got the title shot when he knocked Tyson out... Vitali had to fight somebody because Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe ducked him for many years.

Tyson was finished when Vitali arrived at the top

So was Holyfield

And bowe even before that

Where are you getting your timelines from?

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This. The old guard from the 90's was all done by the time Vitali was a marquee name.

jbizzle20 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

He had recorded 45 wins, with 41 KO's!

Which was his best and/or defining win?

What was his best KO win?

Some names that he has fought include:
Herbie Hide
Corrie Sanders
Danny Williams
Samuel Peter
Chris Arreola
Kevin Johnson
Shannon Briggs
Tomasz Adamek
Dereck Chisora

-----------------
Another question..

Regardless of win/loss.. Who was his best opponent?


From the list above, this would include:
Chris Byrd
Lennox Lewis

Like Thomas Hearns, most of his memorable moments were in a loss. He showed major balls against Lewis and took some serious leather on the chin (I still don't know how he stood after that giant uppercut.) but he kept coming back with some sweet combos. As for his Ws, I'd say Danny Williams was his most dominant because he practically tenderized Williams with all the power shots he landed. Lewis is, obviously, his best opponent.

Lewis was his best opponent... and Vitali was beating LL on all scorecards through 6 rounds... when he was stopped on cuts caused by fouls.

Corre Sanders was better than Byrd... Wladimir Klitschko dominated the teeny southpaw Byrd who didn't have a chance in HELL!!! But was run over by Sanders.

Sanders is Vitali's best win IMO. Though if you wanted to say Sam Peter there would be a fair case for that as well.