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I always thought Wilders teams plan was geared towards beating an aged Klitschko, Now that plan is taking on water as Wlad has lost two in a row here and isn't as valuable a scalp as he was was. Joshua definitely the best heavyweight right now. I guess Wilder will now either try to get Wlad in the ring, or build up a cash out fight against Joshua.
I don't think Wilder is that good and I think this Joshua win will quicken Wilders exit from boxing.

Disagree completely.
They will drag this one out.
You got a potential Bellew v Wilder fight in England, offers already on the table to further hype a Joshua v Wilder fight down the road.

Evander wrote:Disagree completely.
They will drag this one out.
You got a potential Bellew v Wilder fight in England, offers already on the table to further hype a Joshua v Wilder fight down the road.

I did mention the build up and fight Joshua thing in my post, but the reason I think it hastens Wilders exit is because it is build up to fight someone Jousha who will beat Wilder as opposed to a build up to probably beating an aged Klitschko and then pivoting of the legitimacy of that win and being able to duck and dodge stiff competition longer due to potentially have Klitschkos scalp on his resume. If Joshua defeated Wilder, Wilder would rapidly lose credibility in the public’s eye and disappear faster.

victor-romeo wrote:

Evander wrote:Disagree completely.
They will drag this one out.
You got a potential Bellew v Wilder fight in England, offers already on the table to further hype a Joshua v Wilder fight down the road.

I did mention the build up and fight Joshua thing in my post, but the reason I think it hastens Wilders exit is because it is build up to fight someone Jousha who will beat Wilder as opposed to a build up to probably beating an aged Klitschko and then pivoting of the legitimacy of that win and being able to duck and dodge stiff competition longer due to potentially have Klitschkos scalp on his resume. If Joshua defeated Wilder, Wilder would rapidly lose credibility in the public’s eye and disappear faster.

At this point you think Joshua beats Wilder ?
I don't know about that.

My initial argument for Deontay winning is he's wild, Joshua is a structured.
Joshua is really good but if it goes off full blown Wilder is mad good and has the spirit to go right through him ... perhaps .

Evander wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

Evander wrote:Disagree completely.
They will drag this one out.
You got a potential Bellew v Wilder fight in England, offers already on the table to further hype a Joshua v Wilder fight down the road.

I did mention the build up and fight Joshua thing in my post, but the reason I think it hastens Wilders exit is because it is build up to fight someone Jousha who will beat Wilder as opposed to a build up to probably beating an aged Klitschko and then pivoting of the legitimacy of that win and being able to duck and dodge stiff competition longer due to potentially have Klitschkos scalp on his resume. If Joshua defeated Wilder, Wilder would rapidly lose credibility in the public’s eye and disappear faster.

At this point you think Joshua beats Wilder ?
I don't know about that.

I'll admit there is a lot of conjecture in my hypotheses. But I do think Joshua beats Wilder right now. I could be wrong but I do think that. I think Joshua best heavyweight in the world and think that win over Wlad will make him a lot better kind of like when Kovalev beat Hopkins, Kovalev learned a lot in that fight. I would like to see Wilder step up and fight some serious competition so I could get a better gauge on him, but his best win to this point is against Stiverene , and I wonder why Wilder is so protected does he management know something about him I don't like he can't take a punch or whatever.Any ways I hope Wilder and Joshua fight and that why I don't have to guess at who I think is better.

victor-romeo wrote:

Evander wrote:

victor-romeo wrote: I did mention the build up and fight Joshua thing in my post, but the reason I think it hastens Wilders exit is because it is build up to fight someone Jousha who will beat Wilder as opposed to a build up to probably beating an aged Klitschko and then pivoting of the legitimacy of that win and being able to duck and dodge stiff competition longer due to potentially have Klitschkos scalp on his resume. If Joshua defeated Wilder, Wilder would rapidly lose credibility in the public’s eye and disappear faster.

At this point you think Joshua beats Wilder ?
I don't know about that.

I'll admit there is a lot of conjecture in my hypotheses. But I do think Joshua beats Wilder right now. I could be wrong but I do think that. I think Joshua best heavyweight in the world and think that win over Wlad will make him a lot better kind of like when Kovalev beat Hopkins, Kovalev learned a lot in that fight. I would like to see Wilder step up and fight some serious competition so I could get a better gauge on him, but his best win to this point is against Stiverene , and I wonder why Wilder is so protected does he management know something about him I don't like he can't take a punch or whatever.Any ways I hope Wilder and Joshua fight and that why I don't have to guess at who I think is better.

First thing is the fight won't happen right now.
The Kovalev comparison is kind of weak but I get your point I think.
Rest of it I can see eye to eye for the most part.

Knock out Bellew quick then build the Joshua fight.

I'd like to see that one taken across the pond, but it doesn't seem to make much sense right now.

Whilst Wilder is taking care of Bellew in England, building the hype etc, Joshua can deal with the mandatory business ( either Pulev or Ortiz, I think Joshua beats both with a bit to spare now, Pulev especially )

If I was Deontay I would make an attempt to unify with Parker, then with Briggs, and then challenge AJ in a 3 way fight, suggesting one in the UK, then one in the USA and then one in Germany or so if AJ didn't won both. And if Wilder lost his belt before, then so be it.

Wales wrote:

verlichte wrote: So I think Parker & Wilder should appear on the undercard of one of Joshua's fight cards, to expose them to UK fans,.

Both Wilder and Parkers last few fights have been aired in the U.K. In fact every Wilder fight since Stiverne and a couple before that have been.

Also Parker was due to fight Hughie Fury , so he's been built up in UK already

Wilder was commenting/ a pundit for the AJ fights tonight too

The vast majority of the top-tier heavyweights have had their fights televised on UK TV at some point and at various extremely late hours... so the viewing figures and subsequently their actual exposure would be very low.

However, what I'm suggesting is using the same relentless Sky hype machine to market Wilder's & Parker's names during every TV ad break, mention their names by discussing these guys briefly every hour on the 24-hour sporting news channel, their fights being discussed on the Box Office channel 24-hours a day, the behind the ropes programs, the gloves are off interviews, website content, coupled with multiple videos that can be viewed via the catch-up services feature and also repeat their highlight reels by televising special showcase programs on Sky Sports 1.

Believe it or not, I socialise with people that only possess a casual knowledge of boxing.

And do you know what they said when they saw Deontay Wilder last night? "Isn't that bloke standing next to Johnny Nelson and Tony Bellew really tall? Who is he?"

I guess it'll be the same for a lot of casuals. So there's no point in pretending that either Joseph Parker or Deontay Wilder are big names in the UK, because they aren't.

Evander wrote:No one wants Parker.

Bellew and Wilder do.

He will try and get Bellew. But hasn't he got a mandatory v Stiverne to take care off ???

Wilder v Bellew would be a big fight here.

But I feel Bellew may go for Parker because it would be a cheaper and easier fight for Bellew (not that I think he would win)

I also think Wilder would be very difficult to negotiate with for a Bellew fight.

I can see a combination of wilder / Bellew and Parker in the second half of the year for sure.

In a perfect scenario, I would like to see Wilder vs Parker this summer, Joshua vs Ortiz, and the winners meet at the end of the year. (Most likely Joshua vs Wilder)

No one wants to see Wilder or Joshua vs any more tomato cans. Same with Ortiz and Parker. Let's really see who is best. I won't even mention Fury because all he does is talk, and until he actually fights, that is all it is.

I don't think Wilder wants to fight Joshua. He wants more beatable opponents like Bellew who just defeated Haye. Haye was injured, but it still counts as a win. Parker's team will not agree to fight Wilder now. Maybe in a couple of years, but not now. The WBO will not mandate that either now in my opinion. Wilder will not be ranked by the WBO as long as he has the WBC belt.

Wilder vs Bellew at Goodison Park

I think its a complete mismatch but i can see it happening.

Wilder says he is wants to unify, so I don't know if he would take a fight against Bellew. If Wlad wants a rematch with Joshua, then Wilder won't have an opportunity for his belts. Parker is not going to fight Wilder. If he wants to keep the WBC belt, he has to fight Stiverne again. If he vacates the title, he's not as desirable because boxers want that green and gold belt. Maybe the WBC would sanction Bellew as the opponent for Wilder. Everyone would make a lot of money. No one wants to see Wilder vs. Stiverne II.

boxing_rocks wrote:Go after Parker. No way Haymon will risk him against Joshua yet.

Sure he would, it's huge money.

I'm curious, does anyone know if there was random drug testing before the Wlad/Joshua fight?

asdfjkl wrote:If I was Deontay I would make an attempt to unify with Parker, then with Briggs, and then challenge AJ in a 3 way fight, suggesting one in the UK, then one in the USA and then one in Germany or so if AJ didn't won both. And if Wilder lost his belt before, then so be it.

Are you taking the piss here because if not you need to stop smoking.

jonnyyorkshu wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:If I was Deontay I would make an attempt to unify with Parker, then with Briggs, and then challenge AJ in a 3 way fight, suggesting one in the UK, then one in the USA and then one in Germany or so if AJ didn't won both. And if Wilder lost his belt before, then so be it.

Are you taking the piss here because if not you need to stop smoking.

Why? AJ now has 3 belts, Wilder still only has one, one he already had when Joshua still ony had Denis Bakhtov as his best opponent ever.
It's now well over 2 years after that and Wilder still hasn't fought serious competition.
Wilder is the one who claims he wants to unify the division, but in reality, he doesn't show signs that suggest in that direction.
In fact, the only time he had a chance to fight a top contender he did everything he could to avoid the fight, eventually even succesfully with much help of the media blackmailing an innocent men.

Carry on mouthing off about unifying the division while continuing to beat up also-rans as per usual I expect.

asdfjkl wrote:

jonnyyorkshu wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:If I was Deontay I would make an attempt to unify with Parker, then with Briggs, and then challenge AJ in a 3 way fight, suggesting one in the UK, then one in the USA and then one in Germany or so if AJ didn't won both. And if Wilder lost his belt before, then so be it.

Are you taking the piss here because if not you need to stop smoking.

Why? AJ now has 3 belts, Wilder still only has one, one he already had when Joshua still ony had Denis Bakhtov as his best opponent ever.
It's now well over 2 years after that and Wilder still hasn't fought serious competition.
Wilder is the one who claims he wants to unify the division, but in reality, he doesn't show signs that suggest in that direction.
In fact, the only time he had a chance to fight a top contender he did everything he could to avoid the fight, eventually even succesfully with much help of the media blackmailing an innocent men.

You are the absolute definition of the word cabbage.

jonnyyorkshu wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jonnyyorkshu wrote:
Are you taking the piss here because if not you need to stop smoking.

Why? AJ now has 3 belts, Wilder still only has one, one he already had when Joshua still ony had Denis Bakhtov as his best opponent ever.
It's now well over 2 years after that and Wilder still hasn't fought serious competition.
Wilder is the one who claims he wants to unify the division, but in reality, he doesn't show signs that suggest in that direction.
In fact, the only time he had a chance to fight a top contender he did everything he could to avoid the fight, eventually even succesfully with much help of the media blackmailing an innocent men.

You are the absolute definition of the word cabbage.

Then what would you suggest? You sound like a very old runescape player lol, but you probably don't have a clue why.