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Sequitorian wrote:Always post the fighters' records next to their names when you do this ...

Why? I hardly see records as being a relevant measure of how good a fighter is and if anyone wanted to see the fighters' records, they could easily look them up. By doing so, they will see who they've fought, which is more useful information than a series of numbers.

jezzamundo wrote:

Sequitorian wrote:Always post the fighters' records next to their names when you do this ...

Why? I hardly see records as being a relevant measure of how good a fighter is and if anyone wanted to see the fighters' records, they could easily look them up. By doing so, they will see who they've fought, which is more useful information than a series of numbers.

... who asked you? ...

Wach to 15, Teper out
Pulev to 5, Johnson out
Joshua to 1, Wlad to 2

Given Wlad's inactivity, which at 18 months typically bumps fighters completely out of ratings, and the fact that Wlad was beaten 8-4/9-3 in his previous fight, I think AJ falls short of being locked into champion status. In my view Wlad did not have a champion's torch to pass this time...

Wach to #15, Teper unranked

Pulev stays at #6, Johnson unranked.

Joshua is now #1, W.Klitschko is now #2

Sequitorian wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Sequitorian wrote:Always post the fighters' records next to their names when you do this ...

Why? I hardly see records as being a relevant measure of how good a fighter is and if anyone wanted to see the fighters' records, they could easily look them up. By doing so, they will see who they've fought, which is more useful information than a series of numbers.

... who asked you? ...

It's hilarious how you talk about honor and respect when you're such a dickhead yourself

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Mariusz Wach's UD12 win over Erkan Teper?

My vote: Wach and Teper remain unranked

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Kubrat Pulev's UD12 win over Kevin Johnson?

My vote: Pulev remains at #6, Johnson remains unranked

Topic C - How are the rankings affected by Anthony Joshua's TKO11 win over Wladimir Klitschko

My vote: Joshua to #1, W.Klitschko to #9

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Mariusz Wach's UD12 win over Erkan Teper?

My vote: Wach and Teper remain unranked

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Kubrat Pulev's UD12 win over Kevin Johnson?

My vote: Pulev up to #4, Johnson remains unranked

Topic C - How are the rankings affected by Anthony Joshua's TKO11 win over Wladimir Klitschko

My vote: Joshua to #1, W.Klitschko to #3

Wach 14, Pulev 4, Klitschko 1, Joshua champ

It means that #15 stays vacant right?

crusader wrote:Wach to 15, Teper out
Pulev to 5, Johnson out
Joshua to 1, Wlad to 2

Given Wlad's inactivity, which at 18 months typically bumps fighters completely out of ratings, and the fact that Wlad was beaten 8-4/9-3 in his previous fight, I think AJ falls short of being locked into champion status. In my view Wlad did not have a champion's torch to pass this time...

And what about Stiverne?

Sequitorian wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Sequitorian wrote:Always post the fighters' records next to their names when you do this ...

Why? I hardly see records as being a relevant measure of how good a fighter is and if anyone wanted to see the fighters' records, they could easily look them up. By doing so, they will see who they've fought, which is more useful information than a series of numbers.

... who asked you? ...

I assumed your original post was directed at me. If not me, then who?

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:Wach to 15, Teper out
Pulev to 5, Johnson out
Joshua to 1, Wlad to 2

Given Wlad's inactivity, which at 18 months typically bumps fighters completely out of ratings, and the fact that Wlad was beaten 8-4/9-3 in his previous fight, I think AJ falls short of being locked into champion status. In my view Wlad did not have a champion's torch to pass this time...

And what about Stiverne?

What about him?

jezzamundo wrote:

Sequitorian wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
Why? I hardly see records as being a relevant measure of how good a fighter is and if anyone wanted to see the fighters' records, they could easily look them up. By doing so, they will see who they've fought, which is more useful information than a series of numbers.

... who asked you? ...

I assumed your original post was directed at me. If not me, then who?

Seq is slow minded yet also feels very superior. He expected you to do what he said because he's important to himself.

Pulev to #9, Joshua to champion, the rest remain the same.

crusader wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:Wach to 15, Teper out
Pulev to 5, Johnson out
Joshua to 1, Wlad to 2

Given Wlad's inactivity, which at 18 months typically bumps fighters completely out of ratings, and the fact that Wlad was beaten 8-4/9-3 in his previous fight, I think AJ falls short of being locked into champion status. In my view Wlad did not have a champion's torch to pass this time...

And what about Stiverne?

What about him?

He's inactive since 2015 and still ranked here?! Isn't that odd? And Wlad had an excuse, since he was stuck with Tyson Fury, but Stiverne has all the choice in the world but simply doesn't do anything. He's just a sitting duck that keeps his ranks for some odd reason.

I don't think Stiverne should be in the rankings at all, but apparently a vote was called on his position upon 12 months (I think) of inactivity, and the result was that he stayed in. In my opinion he should've been booted a while ago....

I certainly wouldn't promote anyone to champion for beating him!

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: And what about Stiverne?

What about him?

He's inactive since 2015 and still ranked here?! Isn't that odd? And Wlad had an excuse, since he was stuck with Tyson Fury, but Stiverne has all the choice in the world but simply doesn't do anything. He's just a sitting duck that keeps his ranks for some odd reason.

Well he hasn't been sat on his hands. He was in Russia for his mandated WBC final eliminator, which was cancelled for a failed drugs test. You could argue that Stiverne was tied up with Povetkin as Wlad was tied up with Fury.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:
What about him?

He's inactive since 2015 and still ranked here?! Isn't that odd? And Wlad had an excuse, since he was stuck with Tyson Fury, but Stiverne has all the choice in the world but simply doesn't do anything. He's just a sitting duck that keeps his ranks for some odd reason.

Well he hasn't been sat on his hands. He was in Russia for his mandated WBC final eliminator, which was cancelled for a failed drugs test. You could argue that Stiverne was tied up with Povetkin as Wlad was tied up with Fury.

Euh no, Wlad was tied up from day one after the fight, Stiverne was tied up for just a couple of weeks before the Povetkin match, probably knowing beforehand that the it was taken care of that the fight would never happen. That's also the reason why he was completely out of shape when coming in, despite he took illegal substances himself, somehow he's still in the WBC list, without fighting and with cheating.

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:
What about him?

He's inactive since 2015 and still ranked here?! Isn't that odd? And Wlad had an excuse, since he was stuck with Tyson Fury, but Stiverne has all the choice in the world but simply doesn't do anything. He's just a sitting duck that keeps his ranks for some odd reason.

Well he hasn't been sat on his hands. He was in Russia for his mandated WBC final eliminator, which was cancelled for a failed drugs test. You could argue that Stiverne was tied up with Povetkin as Wlad was tied up with Fury.

That would be a weak argument IMO. He was in fighting shape (or at least his jiggly version) for Povetkin and easily could have booked something for a few weeks later. He also had quite a lot of time before the Povetkin bout (which was in November) to fight someone...and has had quite a bit of time after as well.

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: He's inactive since 2015 and still ranked here?! Isn't that odd? And Wlad had an excuse, since he was stuck with Tyson Fury, but Stiverne has all the choice in the world but simply doesn't do anything. He's just a sitting duck that keeps his ranks for some odd reason.

Well he hasn't been sat on his hands. He was in Russia for his mandated WBC final eliminator, which was cancelled for a failed drugs test. You could argue that Stiverne was tied up with Povetkin as Wlad was tied up with Fury.

That would be a weak argument IMO. He was in fighting shape (or at least his jiggly version) for Povetkin and easily could have booked something for a few weeks later. He also had quite a lot of time before the Povetkin bout (which was in November) to fight someone...and has had quite a bit of time after as well.

Well it wasn't his promotion. He wasn't going to just take Rabiansky's promotion and turn it into his own. Nor could he just drum up an event in the States at short notice.

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Well he hasn't been sat on his hands. He was in Russia for his mandated WBC final eliminator, which was cancelled for a failed drugs test. You could argue that Stiverne was tied up with Povetkin as Wlad was tied up with Fury.

That would be a weak argument IMO. He was in fighting shape (or at least his jiggly version) for Povetkin and easily could have booked something for a few weeks later. He also had quite a lot of time before the Povetkin bout (which was in November) to fight someone...and has had quite a bit of time after as well.

Well it wasn't his promotion. He wasn't going to just take Rabiansky's promotion and turn it into his own. Nor could he just drum up an event in the States at short notice.

Yeah...that's why I said a few weeks later

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
That would be a weak argument IMO. He was in fighting shape (or at least his jiggly version) for Povetkin and easily could have booked something for a few weeks later. He also had quite a lot of time before the Povetkin bout (which was in November) to fight someone...and has had quite a bit of time after as well.

Well it wasn't his promotion. He wasn't going to just take Rabiansky's promotion and turn it into his own. Nor could he just drum up an event in the States at short notice.

Yeah...that's why I said a few weeks later

Even so, a few weeks later to book a venue, find an opponent, to sell tickets and promote the event? If you said a 6-8 weeks then I'd agree. There's nothing really to gain ranking wise, as with Povetkin out the frame, he will be instilled as the mandatory challenger anyway. That being said, it would be nice to have a keep busy fight if he;s in shape. Perhaps he could have been on the Wilder undercard.

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Well it wasn't his promotion. He wasn't going to just take Rabiansky's promotion and turn it into his own. Nor could he just drum up an event in the States at short notice.

Yeah...that's why I said a few weeks later

Even so, a few weeks later to book a venue, find an opponent, to sell tickets and promote the event? If you said a 6-8 weeks then I'd agree. There's nothing really to gain ranking wise, as with Povetkin out the frame, he will be instilled as the mandatory challenger anyway. That being said, it would be nice to have a keep busy fight if he;s in shape. Perhaps he could have been on the Wilder undercard.

I guess the point I'm making is he had 12 months of inactivity following his thrilling edge of Derrick Rossy and the Povetkin non-fight, then has had six months of inactivity following the Povetkin non-fight. But as you say, why fight when you're already installed as mandatory anyway? Stiverne is fat, lazy, and untalented. He's been gifted his only accomplishments as a pro (Arreola x2) and has once again been gifted with a chance to challenge for a belt. He should not be in the rankings, and even if he had not been inactive he should not be in the rankings.

punchoutsb wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Yeah...that's why I said a few weeks later

Even so, a few weeks later to book a venue, find an opponent, to sell tickets and promote the event? If you said a 6-8 weeks then I'd agree. There's nothing really to gain ranking wise, as with Povetkin out the frame, he will be instilled as the mandatory challenger anyway. That being said, it would be nice to have a keep busy fight if he;s in shape. Perhaps he could have been on the Wilder undercard.

I guess the point I'm making is he had 12 months of inactivity following his thrilling edge of Derrick Rossy and the Povetkin non-fight, then has had six months of inactivity following the Povetkin non-fight. But as you say, why fight when you're already installed as mandatory anyway? Stiverne is fat, lazy, and untalented. He's been gifted his only accomplishments as a pro (Arreola x2) and has once again been gifted with a chance to challenge for a belt. He should not be in the rankings, and even if he had not been inactive he should not be in the rankings.

100% agree, but the WBC are not on their own. I mean Parker is just about to fight Cojanu for the WBO. Granted a late replacement for Hughie, but how on earth is he in the WBO top 15? All governing bodies have their own embarrassing group of hopeless potential world title challengers.

Stiverne had already been inactive for over a year going into the cancelled Povetkin fight

Boo hoo for him (also a positive PED tester) that it didnt happen, but I think it's up to him to get the wins to keep himself rated. His only win since 2014 was over a C level fighter who put him on his ass.

Stiverne is at max equal to Mike Perez at this moment and probably even worse.