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Expect AJ PPV to be priced at £25 next time out

crusader wrote:I don't think a cursory mention on the radio means too much, and it's not like AJ will stand out in the US for being a big, athletic black guy.

It means a lot, Crusader. I've not heard a fight in England between two non Americans mentioned before. It's just completely unheard of - to me.

And AJ is a big, athletic black guy WITH A BRITISH ACCENT. That's the difference.

I get between 10 & 50 people a day mentioning mine. OK so half of them think I'm Australian & others think I'm Irish but it's a big deal here having a British accent.

Again, I ain't saying he's a shoo-in but the potential is there & it's better than at anytime this Millennium for heavyweight boxing to be pushed back into the US Mainstream.

It's a huge leap from getting a passing mention on the radio, to getting 1m PPV buys. You also said before that no one in the US cared about the fight, and that's probably in line with the situation here; there was not one word about it from anyone I know personally.

Americans have seen about a zillion big, athletic black guys, and I don't think adding a British accent changes things much.

crusader wrote:Americans have seen about a zillion big, athletic black guys, and I don't think adding a British accent changes things much.

We'll have to agree to disagree, mate

Crease wrote:

SAPFO wrote:You know for a fact Eddie wants to mix it as the main man in Vegas & New York.

Could AJ be PPV in the USA? His biggest feck up the other night was thanking every country but the USA.

I disagree. They big money in boxing is in the UK. All sorts of fighters want to fight over here - including Golovkin and Klitschko.

It could be argued that Golovkin is sort of financially a nomad. And Klitschko had to bend over for the first time, otherwise he'd still be fighting in Germany. As he said though, even after loosing to Fury, everything just got bigger & better for him. The Fury loss was a blessing for him in a way.

I agree the UK is consistently putting on big shows, which in turn equals big money. But these are only big in the UK.

They have seen a zillion big athletic black guys, but they haven't seen any that can really fight and knock people out for a good ten years though have they!?

Big, aggressive exciting heavyweights will always be popular, especially in the USA. The promotion teams need to get it going.

What's Wilder's popularity like in the US? Do they see him as a bit of a fraud?

Boxing is small time in the states. I would wager your average yank has no ideal who Wilder is.

Limeyville is where it happenin baby

lillywhite14 wrote:They have seen a zillion big athletic black guys, but they haven't seen any that can really fight and knock people out for a good ten years though have they!?

Big, aggressive exciting heavyweights will always be popular, especially in the USA. The promotion teams need to get it going.

What's Wilder's popularity like in the US? Do they see him as a bit of a fraud?

He keeps getting mistaken for LeBron James

He's not that well known. He needs a big opponent to make the breakthrough.

SAPFO wrote:

Crease wrote:

SAPFO wrote:You know for a fact Eddie wants to mix it as the main man in Vegas & New York.

Could AJ be PPV in the USA? His biggest feck up the other night was thanking every country but the USA.

I disagree. They big money in boxing is in the UK. All sorts of fighters want to fight over here - including Golovkin and Klitschko.

I agree the UK is consistently putting on big shows, which in turn equals big money. But these are only big in the UK.

Your forgetting the Commonwealth!
These fights are huge throughout the other countries that hold HRH Liz as their reigning monarch.
The AJ fight was huge in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaciamon, etc etc

Wilder is selling out 5,000+ venues throughout Alabama!

forcefraser wrote:Boxing is small time in the states. I would wager your average yank has no ideal who Wilder is.

True. It's mainly the Hispanics who are interested.

Mayweather did a lot of damage. Arrogant persona coupled with a dull style is the worst advert for the sport.

lillywhite14 wrote:They have seen a zillion big athletic black guys, but they haven't seen any that can really fight and knock people out for a good ten years though have they!?

Big, aggressive exciting heavyweights will always be popular, especially in the USA. The promotion teams need to get it going.

What's Wilder's popularity like in the US? Do they see him as a bit of a fraud?

His numbers are decent by current American standards, but hardly through the roof, and nowhere near the level of someone whose reach goes beyond people who are already boxing fans. The only fighters who have done that in the States recently are Manny, Floyd, Canelo, and maybe Cotto, and the latter two have built in Hispanic fan bases, while the first two built their profiles majorly through fighting Oscar. I'm not sure if a casual, uneducated viewer could differentiate much between Wilder beating up a scrub, and Joshua stopping a top HW like Wlad.

Most Americans probably have no idea who Wilder is, and certainly they'd be unlikely to know Joshua. His fight with Breazeale did about 200k viewers on Showtime, which is pretty damn bad!

KiwiRider wrote:

SAPFO wrote:

Crease wrote: I disagree. They big money in boxing is in the UK. All sorts of fighters want to fight over here - including Golovkin and Klitschko.

I agree the UK is consistently putting on big shows, which in turn equals big money. But these are only big in the UK.

Your forgetting the Commonwealth!
These fights are huge throughout the other countries that hold HRH Liz as their reigning monarch.
The AJ fight was huge in Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaciamon, etc etc


Wilder is selling out 5,000+ venues throughout Alabama!

The TV numbers for those regions would be interesting. I assume you are in NZ? Was this on terrestrial TV, or a sports package? And he media, how big was it?

The fight was not huge in Canada at all--total nonsense.

lillywhite14 wrote:

mullenman wrote:Eddie hearn has done amazing for Joshua
He is the biggest star in British sport now
I really hope he doesn't go to America but if he does he has a multiple fan base of Hatton already.
Never in my lifetime did I think more people would travel to Vegas for a British fighter but then came aj
Monster events for every fight from now on

Pulev in front of 60k in Cardiff is being talked about! Joshua is a-list in the U.K now for sure.

His next move should be joining that annoying fat pudendum James Corden on his chat show. He somehow seems to have made a bit of a splash in the States. Would be good exposure

About time we had a show in the Millennium stadium again, and I'm virtually guaranteed to get tickets due to a family connection so Stubhub can eff off

TheCobra wrote:

IT wrote:Joshua should eff Matchroom off and head off over to ITV now they have PPV.

Don't understand anyone saying that. What have ITV proved in terms of ability to build a boxer, build a profile, do the PR and get someone to superstar level? ITV don't give a crap about boxing. Matchroom have done a great job with Joshua, whether you like Hearn or not, him and Matchroom are good at what they do.

They wouldnt need to build him. He's already built.

Taansend wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Boxing is small time in the states. I would wager your average yank has no ideal who Wilder is.

True. It's mainly the Hispanics who are interested.

Mayweather did a lot of damage. Arrogant persona coupled with a dull style is the worst advert for the sport.

A lot of damage? The guy did huge PPV numbers. Particularly impressive because he's black and not Hispanic.

crusader wrote:

SAPFO wrote:Does these mean we'll have to stay up until feckin 4am soon? You know for a fact Eddie wants to mix it as the main man in Vegas & New York.

Could AJ be PPV in the USA? His biggest feck up the other night was thanking every country but the USA.

AJ's previous US TV numbers (for Martin and Breazeale) were pretty dire. It will be interesting to see what the figures are like for the Klit fight, and if they're anything close to suggesting a US PPV future.

Wlad has been a good American TV draw, so the ratings should at least comfortably surpass the Martin and Breazeale fights.

http://www.BS.com/joshua-klits ... me--116176

Another article on BS saying that Joshua is only going to fight 2 times a year from now on, which is interesting.

IT wrote:Another article on BS saying that Joshua is only going to fight 2 times a year from now on, which is interesting.

More time for 'strength and conditioning regimes'

Counter-puncher wrote:

IT wrote:Another article on BS saying that Joshua is only going to fight 2 times a year from now on, which is interesting.

More time for 'strength and conditioning regimes'

Work buddy of mine in New York I asked if he watched the fight was like "fornicate Klitschko, I never watch his fights. Whose this Joshua again ?.....oh right gold medal...yeah yeah.". He did enjoy it after I hassled him to watch the replay. This is a guy who watches alot of NY boxing live and buys pretty much any PPV. He knows and likes European fighters like Kovalev and Lomachenko who regularly fight in the states but the careers of Joshua and guys like Carl Froch seemed to have passed him by. Alot of casual US boxing fans can't be arsed if the fights are on at weird times for them

New Yorkers can be tough to please but AJ has long way to go to conquer the states tbh. He needs to have some high profile fights there, problem is there is barely any US big names at heavy. He might as well just stay here.

IT wrote:

Taansend wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Boxing is small time in the states. I would wager your average yank has no ideal who Wilder is.

True. It's mainly the Hispanics who are interested.

Mayweather did a lot of damage. Arrogant persona coupled with a dull style is the worst advert for the sport.

A lot of damage? The guy did huge PPV numbers. Particularly impressive because he's black and not Hispanic.

Exactly my point. People paid to see him lose. No coincidence that most of his later opponents were Hispanic.

But most of the fights were dull and that caused a lot of damage. People would rather watch UFC than him nullifying his opponent.

Boxing needs an exciting charismatic fighter (in America) because we had Mayweather, the Klitschko's and Hopkins as the main ones over the last decade.

GGG is exciting but doesn't have crossover appeal.

Joshua does.

I'm in a brewery and three consecutive sports shows have shown the Joshua Klitschko uppercut.

The title on one was BOXINGS NEXT BIG DEAL

There's a buzz over here I haven't felt in years

All that buzz over a UK fight that only did 659k live in the US? Consider yourself lucky, because there's hardly anything about it here in Vancouver or on Canadian sports shows

By the way, how long have you been in that brewery for

Fairplay to Joshua and whether you like him or not you've got to hand it to him

He should start doing his own thing soon imo