Amir Khan=Gold

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 20 Aug 2004, 12:47

Next fight is on tuesday (not wednesday as sue barker said on bbc today)
Schedules's at the bottom of this link!

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.p ... e&sid=4756

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 20 Aug 2004, 13:06

steve689 wrote:Not exactly sure when but i think he now faces the solid but limited Korean Baik in the next phase. He got past Munkh Erdene U. (remember that name!!) in the second round.

The Korean beat the very capable Gyula Kate of Hungary in the first round. A good result.

richter-scale · Post by **richter-scale** » 20 Aug 2004, 13:33

Just watched the cuban

No shame in the silver! GOOD LUCK TO THE KID

JC · Post by JC » 20 Aug 2004, 13:56

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
adamiw wrote:If he does strike Gold...i'd like to seem him go on to the Commonwealths and then onto pro. He'll be 19 and ready i think. But it's still a big 'if', Kindelan is still looking impressive.
Was kindelan competing today? How did he look, bloody lunchbreak was over when the boxing was on and had to run a fekking errand.

He looked very calculating and very dangerous and uses that big reach of his to perfection. He beat the Pakistani he was fighting without hardly braking a sweat, however his opponent never even really tried to get in it, I think he was a little overawed.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Aug 2004, 14:15

Khan was mighty impressive today, and I think has a chance with Kindelan although, I think the Cuban starts as a worthy favourite. As I said in the other thread, Khan and Kindelan have produced the three best performances of the games and the match up will be intriguing.

If Khan strikes Gold this time, he shouldn't fight amateur again - he would end this part of his career on a high and will be calling the shots in terms of his pro career. However, should he continue and not end up with the gold (whether that is in 2008 or in the worlds whenever) he would no longer be the "kingpin" and his marketablility would decrease.

Ideally, as a boxer he still should stay amateur but boxing is a business now and as a marketing strategy he should quit the amateur when he strikes gold at the Olympics. If its a silver or another medal he should give it another go.

The Olympics is so crucial to make real money in this game, look at Lennox despite all his pro achievements, the Olympic Gold was always mentioned - not many remember that he failed in 1984.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Aug 2004, 14:16

Khan was mighty impressive today, and I think has a chance with Kindelan although, I think the Cuban starts as a worthy favourite. As I said in the other thread, Khan and Kindelan have produced the three best performances of the games and the match up will be intriguing.

If Khan strikes Gold this time, he shouldn't fight amateur again - he would end this part of his career on a high and will be calling the shots in terms of his pro career. However, should he continue and not end up with the gold (whether that is in 2008 or in the worlds whenever) he would no longer be the "kingpin" and his marketablility would decrease.

Ideally, as a boxer he still should stay amateur but boxing is a business now and as a marketing strategy he should quit the amateur when he strikes gold at the Olympics. If its a silver or another medal he should give it another go.

The Olympics is so crucial to make real money in this game, look at Lennox despite all his pro achievements, the Olympic Gold was always mentioned - not many remember that he failed in 1984.

Boxingmad · Post by **Boxingmad** » 20 Aug 2004, 14:29

I think Amir was just awesome today. I can definately see him getting to the final. Kindelan may just be too much at this time, but I certainly won't rule Khan out.

If Amir was to carry on as an amateur, then amateur boxing would get a REAL boost. Folk would turn up at England shows, ABAs etc just to see him box. He is only 17. 17! I can't even remember being 17, and I'm 28 now. He needs to stay on, grab the world title next year and the Commonwealth gold, and then go for Bejiing 2008. He'd then be the greatest British amateur ever, without a doubt. A British 2-time Olympic champion? Wow!!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 20 Aug 2004, 14:35

Even a silver would be a huge launchpad for Khan's pro career. I don't think he'll wait another 4 years if he gets to the final - even if he loses to the Cuban, who sounds just a little too brilliant for him, maybe.

I want to see him turn pro before the next Olympics. The pro game needs a few more stars, and he'll get well paid for it too.
Fame and fortunes await - hope he avoids SN though, maybe he should go his own way, like Aud.

Who's he likely to get if he makes it past the Korean?

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 20 Aug 2004, 14:56

MightyWarrior wrote:Who's he likely to get if he makes it past the Korean?

The very good Italian – Domenico Valentino. Khan has his beating.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 20 Aug 2004, 15:13

Boxingmad wrote:
If Amir was to carry on as an amateur, then amateur boxing would get a REAL boost. Folk would turn up at England shows, ABAs etc just to see him box. He is only 17. 17! I can't even remember being 17, and I'm 28 now. He needs to stay on, grab the world title next year and the Commonwealth gold, and then go for Bejiing 2008. He'd then be the greatest British amateur ever, without a doubt. A British 2-time Olympic champion? Wow!!

Exactly what I think.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 20 Aug 2004, 15:15

It would be terrible if he turned pro before 20. Does anyone really want to see another Kevin Mitchell? Fighting guys with losing records for at least the first 20 fights until maturing physically enough to compete with grown men. Everyone would start getting on his back for fighting nobodys and he might start becoming an Audley joke kind of figure.

He looked superb today, his speed will probably increase even more as his power certainly will. He had that Bulgarian hurt at various times in the fight. You rarely see guys hurt in the amatuers but he's busting these guys up. He should beat the Korean but he looked very rugged and seemed to have good power so he'll have to keep focused.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 20 Aug 2004, 16:12

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:It would be terrible if he turned pro before 20. Does anyone really want to see another Kevin Mitchell? Fighting guys with losing records for at least the first 20 fights until maturing physically enough to compete with grown men.

This is my point too. Everyone calling for Khan to turn pro before the next Olympics are basically doing so because we have fornicate all else to shout about in the current pro domestic ranks, and we want someone world class to follow.

Lets face it.. Ricky Twatton & Joe Calzaghe are hardly setting the pulses racing... nor is anyone else.

Khan is 17 for fornicate sake. He should turn pro after winning gold at Bejing (at the grand old age of 21!!!). He's hardly going to be collecting his state pension before having time to develop a brilliant pro career.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Aug 2004, 17:49

Loftgroov wrote:
Lefthookhappy19 wrote:It would be terrible if he turned pro before 20. Does anyone really want to see another Kevin Mitchell? Fighting guys with losing records for at least the first 20 fights until maturing physically enough to compete with grown men.
This is my point too. Everyone calling for Khan to turn pro before the next Olympics are basically doing so because we have fornicate all else to shout about in the current pro domestic ranks, and we want someone world class to follow.

Lets face it.. Ricky Twatton & Joe Calzaghe are hardly setting the pulses racing... nor is anyone else.

Khan is 17 for fornicate sake. He should turn pro after winning gold at Bejing (at the grand old age of 21!!!). He's hardly going to be collecting his state pension before having time to develop a brilliant pro career.

Yes, but what happens if he strikes gold here but falters miserably in Bejing - I am playing Devil's advocate here, but in four years time there could be more strength from other countries in the devision. His marque value would just evaborate.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 20 Aug 2004, 18:00

Talent like that does not disapear. He's the world junior champ and got voted the best boxer of the entire tournament. It would take someone completely new and very special to stop him in 4 years if he continues to improve. The benifits of staying amatuer till the next Olympics greatly outweigh the negatives. If he does well in this and the next Olympics just think of the publicity when he turns pro. He wins gold and he'll be on the news and everyone will know who he is.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 20 Aug 2004, 18:26

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Talent like that does not disapear. He's the world junior champ and got voted the best boxer of the entire tournament. It would take someone completely new and very special to stop him in 4 years if he continues to improve. The benifits of staying amatuer till the next Olympics greatly outweigh the negatives. If he does well in this and the next Olympics just think of the publicity when he turns pro. He wins gold and he'll be on the news and everyone will know who he is.

Oh yes, but that is a big if. Like I said, I'm only playing devils advocate, but if he strikes gold now - I would advise him to strike while the irons hot and go for it. Anything could stop him before the next Olympics, he could lose on a cut, or suffer an injury, perhaps (I doubt any of us know) the Cubans have a talent in this devision other than Kindelan who will be up with Amir in 4 years time.

I know its a different sport, but look at Mark Lewis Francis - he chose not to go to the Olympics as a 17 year old in 2000 despite clocking the 3rd fastest time in the world that year. He won the junior Olympics and even Maurice Greene admited that he thought he would be his successor in 2004. Now look what happend, Lewis Francis is clocking worse times than he did then and is not expected to make the final. Khan could be a Lewis Francis and may not improve to the degree people think. I hope not, but it has happend in boxing aswell as athletics. Four years is a long time and anything could happen and if Khan did not retain his title, there would be a new kid on the block and Khan, whilst he would still be sort after, he wouldn't be demanding the kind of figures he will get of a fresh gold.

If its any other medal in 2004, then I would stick with it but I don't think its worth the risk if he gets the gold now.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 20 Aug 2004, 19:18

stujones wrote:
Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Talent like that does not disapear. He's the world junior champ and got voted the best boxer of the entire tournament. It would take someone completely new and very special to stop him in 4 years if he continues to improve. The benifits of staying amatuer till the next Olympics greatly outweigh the negatives. If he does well in this and the next Olympics just think of the publicity when he turns pro. He wins gold and he'll be on the news and everyone will know who he is.
Oh yes, but that is a big if. Like I said, I'm only playing devils advocate, but if he strikes gold now - I would advise him to strike while the irons hot and go for it. Anything could stop him before the next Olympics, he could lose on a cut, or suffer an injury, perhaps (I doubt any of us know) the Cubans have a talent in this devision other than Kindelan who will be up with Amir in 4 years time.

I know its a different sport, but look at Mark Lewis Francis - he chose not to go to the Olympics as a 17 year old in 2000 despite clocking the 3rd fastest time in the world that year. He won the junior Olympics and even Maurice Greene admited that he thought he would be his successor in 2004. Now look what happend, Lewis Francis is clocking worse times than he did then and is not expected to make the final. Khan could be a Lewis Francis and may not improve to the degree people think. I hope not, but it has happend in boxing aswell as athletics. Four years is a long time and anything could happen and if Khan did not retain his title, there would be a new kid on the block and Khan, whilst he would still be sort after, he wouldn't be demanding the kind of figures he will get of a fresh gold.

If its any other medal in 2004, then I would stick with it but I don't think its worth the risk if he gets the gold now.

Even if he faltered i Beijing he would still have reaped the benefit of 4 extra years amateur experience albeit with potentially less publicity.

Regarding MLF, he still has talent and good years will follow. Sometimes I think it is necessary to have a few years of adjustment to allow for a longer period of success.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 21 Aug 2004, 10:47

I think that with the struggle for genuine talent in this country at present even if Khan has a good Olympics and fails at the next Olympics then he will still have decent marketability. Who else is tearing through at the moment and demanding attention, amateur or even pro? No one...Kevin Mitchell made a small splash but has since gone into relative oblivion, Hatton's big fight struggles have taken there toll, Calzaghe is fighting nobodies and getting on a bit anyway...Roman Greenberg is Israeli...David Haye still has question marks. Khan is in a no lose situation IMO.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 21 Aug 2004, 11:03

steve689 wrote:I think that with the struggle for genuine talent in this country at present even if Khan has a good Olympics and fails at the next Olympics then he will still have decent marketability. Who else is tearing through at the moment and demanding attention, amateur or even pro? No one...Kevin Mitchell made a small splash but has since gone into relative oblivion, Hatton's big fight struggles have taken there toll, Calzaghe is fighting nobodies and getting on a bit anyway...Roman Greenberg is Israeli...David Haye still has question marks. Khan is in a no lose situation IMO.

well i hope he doesn't blow it all away like our Super Heavyweight Gold medalist. But i think Khan's got his feet firmly on the ground.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 21 Aug 2004, 11:42

Audley? Blown it? Don't talk soft, don't you remember in the "Audley Book Of Quotes"...chapter 7....verse 5?!?! "It's about the world baby"

All the greats go abroad to America and fight guys like Quinn Navarre, it shows class

I think you need to get clued up on Audley's spin

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 21 Aug 2004, 11:44

Out of curiosity has there ever been a two time Olympic gold winner who has gone onto have a fantastic pro career?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 21 Aug 2004, 12:01

tonyevs wrote:Out of curiosity has there ever been a two time Olympic gold winner who has gone onto have a fantastic pro career?

Not sure, you'd probably have to think Cuban / Eastern block - did Casamayor win gold once? Maybe an Italian?
The Americans win it once and turn pro immediately.

Who was the last Mexican to win gold? I guess they never do well at the Olympics as their best turn pro at 16 over there....

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 21 Aug 2004, 12:48

You could say that Lazlo Papp (3 time olympic gold winner) had a decent pro career. Retired undefeated and was european champ.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 21 Aug 2004, 15:24

In terms of domestic earnings, Khan is made from this point forward - no matter what he does in this games or future games. However, whilst I don't like the prick, Audley was right when saying "Its all about the world". America is where the superstars are created, and as Lewis and Hamed can vouch it doesn't matter if you are American or not, if you capture America's imagination you can make 10 times the amount he could be filling Wembley arena.

That is where I fear his marketibility would falter should he strike gold in 2004 and falter in 2008. The new gold medalist would become the marketable one.

Yes, Lazlo Papp was an excellent pro and one of the very best never to have won a proffesional world title.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 21 Aug 2004, 17:11

Lazlo Papp only gained European champion status in the pro ranks.
No disrespect intended in that, but what could he have achieved if he had turned pro after his first Olympic gold when he was 22yrs old.
Yes, Lazlo Papp was an excellent pro and one of the very best never to have won a professional world title, he was also one of the best to have been forbidden by his country to fight for one.

The amateur style was very similar to the pro style back then, so when people say nowadays about staying in the vest too long and picking up too amateurish a style this did not apply so much back then.

If he carries on doing well in this tournament, another couple of years in the vest and I think it would be ideal for him to turn over, he would have gained all the experience he could in the vest and would only be going over old ground. Plus he’d still be the Olympic champion.
Though if he wants the Audley Harrison treatment (massive signing on fee) then a double Olympic champion doubles his worth, but I think that is a more difficult option than turning pro.
Amateurs have to fight anybody that enters; there is no hiding or ducking opponents.
In the pro ranks…well look what Audley is doing.

Roy Jones Jr. and Oscar De La Hoya were 19yrs old when they won gold.
Ali was 18yrs old and how old was Floyd Patterson for that matter.

steve68 · Post by **steve68** » 21 Aug 2004, 18:37

that Khan unfurled the Pakistan flag after his win?

Amir Khan=Gold

Is it true