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Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 11 May 2017, 09:44
by Crease
Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (07 Members have voted)
7 pts Julio Cesar Chavez
7 pts Jimmy McLarnin
6 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
6 pts Wilfredo Gomez
6 pts Ted Kid Lewis
6 pts Manny Pacquaio
5 pts Wilfred Benitez
5 pts Nino Benvenuti
5 pts Roy Jones Jr
5 pts Jake LaMotta
5 pts Azumah Nelson
5 pts Tommy Ryan
4 pts Marcel Cerdan
4 pts Khaosai Galaxy
4 pts Tommy Gibbons
4 pts Packey McFarland
4 pts Erik Morales
4 pts Luis Manuel Rodriguez
4 pts Dick Tiger
4 pts Holman Williams
3 pts Jimmy Barry
3 pts Carmen Basilio
3 pts Jack Kid Berg
3 pts Joe Brown
3 pts Jim Driscoll
3 pts Tiger Flowers
3 pts Mike Gibbons
3 pts James J Jeffries
3 pts Harold Johnson
3 pts Ricardo Lopez
3 pts Juan Manuel Marquez
3 pts Aaron Pryor
3 pts Mike Tyson
3 pts Vicente Saldivar
3 pts Barbadoes Joe Walcott
2 pts Jimmy Bivins
2 pts Oscar De La Hoya
2 pts Beau Jack
2 pts John Henry Lewis
2 pts Sonny Liston
2 pts Maxie Rosenbloom
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 11 May 2017, 09:47
by SaadOffTheDeck
While there are other head scratchers, I'm shocked someone does not have Manny in their top 100. Did you forget? If not, care to divulge the reasoning?
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 11 May 2017, 10:05
by Seamus
I missed Pacquiao because he's still active.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 11 May 2017, 10:09
by SaadOffTheDeck
Seamus wrote:I missed Pacquiao because he's still active.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 13 May 2017, 23:31
by APerno
Azumah Nelson
Barbados Joe Walcott
Beau Jack
Carmen Basilio
Edwin Valero
Esteban DeJesus
Ezzard Charles
Freddie Steele
Freddie Welsh
Hector Camacho
Jake LaMotta
James J Jeffries
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Brown
John L Sullivan
Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mike Tyson
Nino Benvenuti
Packey McFarland
Peter Jackson
Rocky Kansas
Sam Langford
Sonny Liston
Tiger Flowers
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 13 May 2017, 23:41
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
APerno wrote:Azumah Nelson
Barbados Joe Walcott
Beau Jack
Carmen Basilio
Edwin Valero
Esteban DeJesus
Ezzard Charles
Freddie Steele
Freddie Welsh
Hector Camacho
Jake LaMotta
James J Jeffries
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Brown
John L Sullivan
Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mike Tyson
Nino Benvenuti
Packey McFarland
Peter Jackson
Rocky Kansas
Sam Langford
Sonny Liston
Tiger Flowers
Ezzard Charles and Sam Langford are already on the list, mate. You've got another two to pick.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 14 May 2017, 05:51
by APerno
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:APerno wrote:Azumah Nelson
Barbados Joe Walcott
Beau Jack
Carmen Basilio
Edwin Valero
Esteban DeJesus
Ezzard Charles
Freddie Steele
Freddie Welsh
Hector Camacho
Jake LaMotta
James J Jeffries
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Brown
John L Sullivan
Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mike Tyson
Nino Benvenuti
Packey McFarland
Peter Jackson
Rocky Kansas
Sam Langford
Sonny Liston
Tiger Flowers
Ezzard Charles and Sam Langford are already on the list, mate. You've got another two to pick.
Ah! thought I caught all those - thank you
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 20 May 2017, 12:13
by Crease
Update will take place on monday
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Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 20 May 2017, 12:26
by Give up
Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Ted Kid Lewis
Manny Pacquaio
Wilfred Benitez
Nino Benvenuti
Roy Jones Jr
Harold Johnson
Andre Ward
Azumah Nelson
Marcel Cerdan
Erik Morales
Dick Tiger
Jake LaMotta
Carmen Basilio
Tiger Flowers
Jersey Joe Walcott
Juan Manuel Marquez
Aaron Pryor
Mike Tyson
Jimmy Bivins
Oscar De La Hoya
Beau Jack
John Henry Lewis
Sonny Liston
Maxie Rosenbloom
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 20 May 2017, 15:57
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Give up wrote:Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Ted Kid Lewis
Manny Pacquaio
Wilfred Benitez
Nino Benvenuti
Roy Jones Jr
Harold Johnson
Ted Kid Lewis
Azumah Nelson
Marcel Cerdan
Erik Morales
Dick Tiger
Jake LaMotta
Carmen Basilio
Tiger Flowers
Jersey Joe Walcott
Juan Manuel Marquez
Aaron Pryor
Mike Tyson
Jimmy Bivins
Oscar De La Hoya
Beau Jack
John Henry Lewis
Sonny Liston
Maxie Rosenbloom
Not to be the list police but you've got Ted Kid Lewis in there twice mate.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 21 May 2017, 05:14
by Give up
yes Ward I
forgot
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 07:53
by Crease
I am going to update the thread within the next 30 mins. One week to go before our final 100 is decided.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 08:06
by Crease
Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (09 Members have voted)
9 pts Julio Cesar Chavez
8 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
8 pts Jimmy McLarnin
7 pts Nino Benvenuti
7 pts Jake LaMotta
7 pts Ted Kid Lewis
7 pts Azumah Nelson
7 pts Manny Pacquaio
6 pts Wilfredo Gomez
6 pts Roy Jones Jr
5 pts Carmen Basilio
5 pts Wilfred Benitez
5 pts Marcel Cerdan
5 pts Tiger Flowers
5 pts Packey McFarland
5 pts Erik Morales
5 pts Tommy Ryan
5 pts Dick Tiger
5 pts Mike Tyson
4 pts Joe Brown
4 pts Khaosai Galaxy
4 pts Tommy Gibbons
4 pts Beau Jack
4 pts James J Jeffries
4 pts Harold Johnson
4 pts Sonny Liston
4 pts Juan Manuel Marquez
4 pts Aaron Pryor
4 pts Luis Manuel Rodriguez
4 pts Maxie Rosenbloom
4 pts Barbadoes Joe Walcott
4 pts Holman Williams
3 pts Jimmy Barry
3 pts Jack Kid Berg
3 pts Jimmy Bivins
3 pts Oscar De La Hoya
3 pts Jim Driscoll
3 pts Mike Gibbons
3 pts John Henry Lewis
3 pts Ricardo Lopez
3 pts Vicente Saldivar
2 pts Peter Jackson
2 pts Freddie Steele
2 pts Freddie Welsh
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 10:25
by APerno
APerno wrote:Azumah Nelson
Barbados Joe Walcott
Beau Jack
Carmen Basilio
Edwin Valero
Esteban DeJesus
Ezzard Charles
Freddie Steele
Freddie Welsh
Hector Camacho
Jake LaMotta
James J Jeffries
Jimmy McLarnin
Joe Brown
John L Sullivan
Julio Cesar Chavez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Maxie Rosenbloom
Mike Tyson
Nino Benvenuti
Packey McFarland
Peter Jackson
Rocky Kansas
Sam Langford
Sonny Liston
Tiger Flowers
Sorry for the delay -senior moment that lasted two weeks - OK . . .
Rocky Graziano - Aaron Pryor
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 10:55
by SaadOffTheDeck
Holman Williams is so underrated. You could easily have him top 25.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 12:26
by Crease
APerno wrote:Sorry for the delay -senior moment that lasted two weeks - OK . . . Rocky Graziano - Aaron Pryor
Thank you. Your new votes have been added in.
Graziano is now off the mark and Pryor is bumped up to the 5 votes group.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 24 May 2017, 12:27
by Crease
Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (09 Members have voted)
9 pts Julio Cesar Chavez
8 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
8 pts Jimmy McLarnin
7 pts Nino Benvenuti
7 pts Jake LaMotta
7 pts Ted Kid Lewis
7 pts Azumah Nelson
7 pts Manny Pacquaio
6 pts Wilfredo Gomez
6 pts Roy Jones Jr
5 pts Carmen Basilio
5 pts Wilfred Benitez
5 pts Marcel Cerdan
5 pts Tiger Flowers
5 pts Packey McFarland
5 pts Erik Morales
5 pts Tommy Ryan
5 pts Aaron Pryor
5 pts Dick Tiger
5 pts Mike Tyson
4 pts Joe Brown
4 pts Khaosai Galaxy
4 pts Tommy Gibbons
4 pts Beau Jack
4 pts James J Jeffries
4 pts Harold Johnson
4 pts Sonny Liston
4 pts Juan Manuel Marquez
4 pts Luis Manuel Rodriguez
4 pts Maxie Rosenbloom
4 pts Barbadoes Joe Walcott
4 pts Holman Williams
3 pts Jimmy Barry
3 pts Jack Kid Berg
3 pts Jimmy Bivins
3 pts Oscar De La Hoya
3 pts Jim Driscoll
3 pts Mike Gibbons
3 pts John Henry Lewis
3 pts Ricardo Lopez
3 pts Vicente Saldivar
2 pts Peter Jackson
2 pts Freddie Steele
2 pts Freddie Welsh
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 31 May 2017, 11:36
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- Agree with the consensus of nonsensical confusion in being tasked in selecting 26 fighters from the approx 90 remaining fighters to round off the 100 list the OP is asking for. Thanks to Davie compiling the divisional 11-20 selections so we could at least grasp at at this unnecessary step.
The numbers were already provided, so just add them up! I emailed Crease about Manny because I thought he forgot to include him, but nope, my mistake. His best finish was 14th in 3 divisions, but his point totals add up to 38 which is likely more than many if not most of the chosen 74, and there may be other multidivision fighters also like Jimmy Barry, so WTF? Roy Jones totaled 68, more than most of the 74 Crease has "Chosen" via his system.
Don't even know why he asked for a numerical order when it appears everyone gets a single point, but I will order mine because it is a huge FAIL that Manny and the Klitschkos, who changed boxing more than any other fighters in the past 20 years, aren't included, nor Roy Jones who was fighter of the 90s decade with Manny also of the 00 decade.
Mike Tyson! Words and stats simply FAIL to explain the abject dummkophery consensus of derelict ding dongs who dominate these boards.
1Manny Pacquiao
2Wlad Klitschko
3Vitali Klitschko
4Mike Tyson
5Roy Jones Jr
6John L Sullivan
7Julio Cesar Chavez
8Aaron Pryor
9James J Jeffries
10Jimmy Barry
11Joe Calzaghe
12Packy McFarland
13Alexis Arguello
14Dick Tiger
15Marcos Antonio Barrera
16Gennady Golovkin
17Terry McGovern
18Carl Froch
19Sergey Kovalev
20Anthony Joshua
21Chris John
22Veeraphol Sahaprom
23Antonio Margarito
24Peter Jackson
25Nikolay Valuev
26Ivan Iron Boy Calderon
Could've copy and pasted the Boxrec top 150 P4P, subtract the 74, and then chose the top 26 remainder, but that list is seriously flawed with TUE #1 over Robinson, Wills over Duran, and Oscar over Greb, ect.
Boxrec gurus should stop tweaking the current formula and use it as the basis for innovating new formulae for what it means to be the higher to lower ranked order of boxer, say starting with 3 philosophies to fill in requirements for 3 new ways to rank fighters that would reveal how different criteria affect ratings. It would also reveal those fighters who rank highly in all 4 rankings, making them the presumptive best of all time.
Yeah, asking a lot of a volunteer task force, but it could be started and tweaked slowly over a couple of years before rolling it out. Be something like what baseball gurus do, finding different ways to rate players that adds context to all.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 01 Jun 2017, 03:21
by Ezzard
"dummkophery" - this is why I love your posts Broughton... Hope all is well...
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME OPEN*
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 10:48
by Crease
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:I emailed Crease about Manny because I thought he forgot to include him, but nope, my mistake. His best finish was 14th in 3 divisions, but his point totals add up to 38 which is likely more than many if not most of the chosen 74, and there may be other multidivision fighters also like Jimmy Barry, so WTF? Roy Jones totaled 68, more than most of the 74 Crease has "Chosen" via his system.
Wow, hold up. I did NOT "
choose" anything. The 74 fighters who reached a top ten placing was because the vote was open to ALL BoxRec members. And every single person who voted in any of the eight threads had a bearing on the outcome.
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:Don't even know why he asked for a numerical order when it appears everyone gets a single point
You were NOT asked to put the 26 fighters of your pick in "
numerical order". Most are putting their list in alphabetical order, just so it is easier to read and check for fighters.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME CLOSED*
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 11:30
by Crease
Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (10 Members have voted)
10 pts Julio Cesar Chavez
9 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
8 pts Jimmy McLarnin
8 pts Manny Pacquaio
7 pts Nino Benvenuti
7 pts Roy Jones Jr
7 pts Jake LaMotta
7 pts Ted Kid Lewis
7 pts Azumah Nelson
6 pts Wilfredo Gomez
6 pts Packey McFarland
6 pts Aaron Pryor
6 pts Dick Tiger
6 pts Mike Tyson
5 pts Carmen Basilio
5 pts Wilfred Benitez
5 pts Marcel Cerdan
5 pts Tiger Flowers
5 pts James J Jeffries
5 pts Erik Morales
5 pts Tommy Ryan
The above 21 fighters have made in into our all-time Best 100.
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME CLOSED*
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 13:03
by APerno
Crease wrote:Crease wrote:CURRENT Scoreboard: (10 Members have voted)
10 pts Julio Cesar Chavez
9 pts Marco Antonio Barrera
8 pts Jimmy McLarnin
8 pts Manny Pacquaio
7 pts Nino Benvenuti
7 pts Roy Jones Jr
7 pts Jake LaMotta
7 pts Ted Kid Lewis
7 pts Azumah Nelson
6 pts Wilfredo Gomez
6 pts Packey McFarland
6 pts Aaron Pryor
6 pts Dick Tiger
6 pts Mike Tyson
5 pts Carmen Basilio
5 pts Wilfred Benitez
5 pts Marcel Cerdan
5 pts Tiger Flowers
5 pts James J Jeffries
5 pts Erik Morales
5 pts Tommy Ryan
The above 21 fighters have made in into our all-time Best 100.
I have not been able to wrap my head around how this last 26 worked - but anyway will you eventually post our top 100 list?
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME CLOSED*
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 21:36
by HyacinthusTurnipseed
Crease wrote:
4 pts Joe Brown
4 pts Khaosai Galaxy
4 pts Tommy Gibbons
4 pts Beau Jack
4 pts Harold Johnson
4 pts Sonny Liston
4 pts Juan Manuel Marquez
4 pts Luis Manuel Rodriguez
4 pts Maxie Rosenbloom
4 pts Barbadoes Joe Walcott
4 pts Holman Williams
So are we having a vote to get five from these guys to make up the rest of the 100?
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME CLOSED*
Posted: 12 Jun 2017, 23:23
by APerno
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:Crease wrote:
4 pts Joe Brown
4 pts Khaosai Galaxy
4 pts Tommy Gibbons
4 pts Beau Jack
4 pts Harold Johnson
4 pts Sonny Liston
4 pts Juan Manuel Marquez
4 pts Luis Manuel Rodriguez
4 pts Maxie Rosenbloom
4 pts Barbadoes Joe Walcott
4 pts Holman Williams
So are we having a vote to get five from these guys to make up the rest of the 100?
Beau Jack
Sonny Liston
Khaosai Galaxy
Joe Brown (If this is Joe 'Old Bones' Brown)
Barbadoes Joe Walcott
just in case you decide to vote, here's mine
Re: The Top 100 game: Next 26 *GAME CLOSED*
Posted: 13 Jun 2017, 10:25
by Crease
APerno wrote:I have not been able to wrap my head around how this last 26 worked
There were 26 slots to fill - as you know. Each Member votes for 26 fighters to be included in the top 100 - each of those fighters gets a +1 vote on the scoreboard.
So, with 10 Managers voting - the highest count a fighter could get is 10 votes (so he gets +1 from everyone).