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crusader wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMYTBBsmNNo

..anyone noticed? Canelo uses the translator's services ..and GGG doesn't

GGG late rounds or UD

..do we know what the purse split is?

I did not realize that there was such a height disparity between Golovkin and Canelo. Golovkin has a height advantage over Canelo. That question about will he be the toughest challenger you have ever faced: the answer was true for Canelo, but not for Golovkin. I think Jacobs will still be the toughest challenger of Golovkin's career. I predict a win for Golovkin by stoppage, so biased judges won't matter.

RScarf1 wrote:I did not realize that there was such a height disparity between Golovkin and Canelo. Golovkin has a height advantage over Canelo. That question about will he be the toughest challenger you have ever faced: the answer was true for Canelo, but not for Golovkin. I think Jacobs will still be the toughest challenger of Golovkin's career. I predict a win for Golovkin by stoppage, so biased judges won't matter.

..depends, of course, on the camera angle, check it out at 5:30..according to boxrec it's 4 cm. advantage, Canelo having a slightly longer reach though..

diddy wrote:If amazes me how long some of you have been following boxing and don't comprehend the style differences between a guy like Jacobs and Canelo as pertaining to GGG facing them.

Jacobs is a strong 6'1 ATHLETE who spent his entire career at 160
And 168 AND purposely blew weight so as to come in MASSIVE against GGG. Not only was Jacobs the much better athlete but was also the clearly bigger man. Canelo offers none of these stylistic issues. He's a flat footed mediocre athlete who stands about 5'8.5 and has campaigned his entire career at 154 this farce of a fight not withstanding. Canelo is a good boxer. But he offers none of the physical attributes that troubled GGG so much against Jacobs.

My thoughts exactly

Styles make fights

And come September Canelo will be taking a loss

GGG all the way

Canelo is a good boxer, but not good enough to beat GGG

jezzamundo wrote:Until the Brook fight, I'd have picked GGG by KO every time. I did again anyway, but with far less confidence than I would have in the past. I wouldn't be surprised to see a close fight that goes the distance, where most people have GGG winning 7-5 or 8-4, but the judges give it to Canelo. I think Canelo's superior handspeed, plus his body punching and upper body movement could pose problems for GGG. On the other hand, I think GGG's jab, better footwork and greater punch output could give Canelo troubles. Both have very good chins, which is partly why I could see it going the distance - I don't see GGG stopping Canelo with one punch or combo, it will probably have to be a methodical beatdown and I'm think it's possible Canelo is too good to let that happen. I really, really want GGG to win, though.

I was the same way. Prior to the Brook fight, i'd bet all that I could on GGG no matter who was on the other stool. But it really changed for me midway through the Jacobs fight. To me, GGG looked slower against Jacobs. His trigger was a tad slower to me and that's huge. Jacobs saw most punches coming and that takes away half the effect when a boxer see's each shot coming regardless of how hard GGG was throwing. Then the biggest thing that bothered me is that there was no urgency in GGG's game late in that fight. He had to have known the fight was close and I found his tempo in the last 3 rounds as curious. He could have easily lost that fight on the cards especially fighting in Jacobs backyard UNLESS he knew he had the win because there was too much money tied up in the Canelo fight next? hmmm.

If the fight was 2 years ago, GGG would have romped Canelo. In September, I hate to even say it, but you'd be stupid to bet against Canelo in this one. He's going to keep it close enough to win on the cards. That's all he needs to do. GGG has to do way more to get a win than Canelo. That's a disadvantage right out of the gate.

Easy work for Golovkin.

I haven't made my mind up about the outcome of the Golovkin-Álvarez fight yet, but I do feel that too many people that frequent this forum are underestimating Canelo.

Saúl is not only naturally bigger than a lot of the guys that GGG has defended his titles against, but he's also vastly more experienced, far more heavier-handed, an excellent counter-puncher, seemingly durable, possesses a good engine, a high work-rate and he's also a lot younger.

I also feel that the inevitability pro-Álvarez crowd will roar whenever he let's his hands go, giving the illusion that his shots are more effective than they really are. This level of enthusiasm and bias could unduly effect the judges scoring of any evenly-contested rounds, meaning that they'll usually be awarded to the Mexican youngster.

Whilst I've always maintained an opinion that Golovkin should be deemed as the heavy betting favourite to win this fight, his last two performances haven't met his unusually high-standards. This could either be due to complacency or his age. This uncertainty has weakened my resolve.

So I've haven't formulated a strong opinion as to whom I expect to emerge victorious from the 16th September GGG-Canelo super-fight. I'll make a prediction nearer the time...

The only thing I know for certain at this point, is that Canelo cannot possibly win this fight via KO. It simply won't happen!

First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time? I would have said "go screw". I'll see in you September. Then GGG extends respect to Canelo and wishes him "Good Luck" in September and the almighty Canelo responds back with that BS about no such thing as luck or whatever. That kids ego is getting out of control. We thought that Floyd was bad but this kid is going to bring it to a different level if he wins in September.

If i were betting my last dollar, i'd have to go with Canelo because I see this one going the distance and don't see GGG matching Canelo's output and work rate at this point in his career.

While GGG may have looked human for 2 fights (he won every round vs Brook and 804 with the knock down vs Jacobs) Alvarez has fought punching bags and/or guys way below his punching power weight. GGG by KO to establish his legacy.

caldo2025 wrote:First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time? I would have said "go screw". I'll see in you September. Then GGG extends respect to Canelo and wishes him "Good Luck" in September and the almighty Canelo responds back with that BS about no such thing as luck or whatever. That kids ego is getting out of control. We thought that Floyd was bad but this kid is going to bring it to a different level if he wins in September.

If i were betting my last dollar, i'd have to go with Canelo because I see this one going the distance and don't see GGG matching Canelo's output and work rate at this point in his career.

Compubox average before their most recent fights:

GGG - 67.8 punches thrown per round
Canelo - 40.9 punches thrown per round

In their most recent fights, GGG was against a prime, younger, bigger, hard-hitting middleweight giving the performance of his career, as he threw 615 punches - that's 51.25 per round, a decrease on his usual output. In last night's fight, Canelo was facing a big, weight-drained punching bag who posed him no danger and he threw 604 punches or 50.3 per round. I really don't understand anyone who thinks Canelo will beat GGG in work rate - he's a historically low output fighter, while GGG, although probably a little past his best, is a historically medium-to-high output fighter.

Anyone know the deal GGG accepted? Flat fee or split?

RScarf1 wrote:I did not realize that there was such a height disparity between Golovkin and Canelo. Golovkin has a height advantage over Canelo. That question about will he be the toughest challenger you have ever faced: the answer was true for Canelo, but not for Golovkin. I think Jacobs will still be the toughest challenger of Golovkin's career. I predict a win for Golovkin by stoppage, so biased judges won't matter.

By listed heights, Canelo is 5'9" and GGG 5'10.5". It seems GGG's listed height is accurate, while Canelo is almost certainly no taller than 5'8". Canelo has an inch reach advantage, but ultimately, I don't think height/reach will be important in this fight.

RScarf1 wrote:I did not realize that there was such a height disparity between Golovkin and Canelo. Golovkin has a height advantage over Canelo. That question about will he be the toughest challenger you have ever faced: the answer was true for Canelo, but not for Golovkin. I think Jacobs will still be the toughest challenger of Golovkin's career. I predict a win for Golovkin by stoppage, so biased judges won't matter.

Totally agreed. Canelo is a good all around skill boxer, but Jacobs still will be the toughest physically and skill opponent GGG ever faced and I predicted it 3 months before the fight here in Boxrec forum . http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... s#p4551819

Canelo (as far as I see) never fought a both powerful puncher KO artist and good boxing strategist at same time like GGG, the closest (if we can call hard punchers) were Kirkland, Cotto and Mosley (with 40 that time), the only master strategist was Mayweather (whom schooled him). So I see a far GGG KO over Canelo like in 9th or 10th round.

Otherwise, the maximum I see in Canelo side is a win on a slight points difference like 115-113, something that in terms of boxing strategic thinking he is better than Jacobs, nothing more.

jezzamundo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time? I would have said "go screw". I'll see in you September. Then GGG extends respect to Canelo and wishes him "Good Luck" in September and the almighty Canelo responds back with that BS about no such thing as luck or whatever. That kids ego is getting out of control. We thought that Floyd was bad but this kid is going to bring it to a different level if he wins in September.

If i were betting my last dollar, i'd have to go with Canelo because I see this one going the distance and don't see GGG matching Canelo's output and work rate at this point in his career.

Compubox average before their most recent fights:

GGG - 67.8 punches thrown per round
Canelo - 40.9 punches thrown per round

In their most recent fights, GGG was against a prime, younger, bigger, hard-hitting middleweight giving the performance of his career, as he threw 615 punches - that's 51.25 per round, a decrease on his usual output. In last night's fight, Canelo was facing a big, weight-drained punching bag who posed him no danger and he threw 604 punches or 50.3 per round. I really don't understand anyone who thinks Canelo will beat GGG in work rate - he's a historically low output fighter, while GGG, although probably a little past his best, is a historically medium-to-high output fighter.

Interesting statistics for sure. I'd bet for both guys to have significantly less volume in this fight. Especially Canelo i guess because if he tries t fight the same type of fight he did last night, he'll get his head knocked off. So I definitely see your point.

But i've never seen GGG throw so many ineffective punches and stay busy jabs than he did with Jacobs especially as the fight went late. In such a close battle, I was waiting for GGG to turn on the gas and sweep the last 3 rounds to put the doubt out of the judges but it never happened. Punch statistics can be used for helping an argument but if they had a statistic for quality punches thrown then, I think you'd see a big difference between the two's output.

caldo2025 wrote:First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time?.

- The first time Golovkin and Loeffler left the arena, a clear duck.

Yet according to the mob of boxrec miscreant suckers with humongous mongering puckers, Canelo is the ducker during an unstable era with over a half billion dollars of lawsuits being filed. Thanks to Canelo actually giving his fans what they want while making his money, the Golovkin fight is double or triple the value it was last year.

Thing is, the mob has told us no way this fight happens. Yeah, kinda sucks to be part of the mob, so see you suckers Sept 16 where push comes to shove and a fight that can't happen breaks out.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time?.

- The first time Golovkin and Loeffler left the arena, a clear duck.

Yet according to the mob of boxrec miscreant suckers with humongous mongering puckers, Canelo is the ducker during an unstable era with over a half billion dollars of lawsuits being filed. Thanks to Canelo actually giving his fans what they want while making his money, the Golovkin fight is double or triple the value it was last year.

Thing is, the mob has told us no way this fight happens. Yeah, kinda sucks to be part of the mob, so see you suckers Sept 16 where push comes to shove and a fight that can't happen breaks out.

The only reason that they are taking it now is because they can't get away with putting it off one more year to fight two more no hopers. They are taking a calculated risk that is considerably more risky than they would have preferred.

Now, what are the stipulations?

And WTF are you talking about 3G left the venue? GingerHead is the one who stated, (paraphrasing) "Us Mexicans don't fvck around," then proceeded to fvck around fighting three no hoper circus acts.

I am just glad it is finally happening, at least a year after it should have, but a year earlier than they would have liked.

Biggest fight of the year.
Styles look favourable for GGG, but he's taken some heat lately which is why many will gravitate toward a closer fight.
Match up is cool and has the makings of a proper kick off, it's now down to the boxers.

diddy wrote:If amazes me how long some of you have been following boxing and don't comprehend the style differences between a guy like Jacobs and Canelo as pertaining to GGG facing them.

Jacobs is a strong 6'1 ATHLETE who spent his entire career at 160
And 168 AND purposely blew weight so as to come in MASSIVE against GGG. Not only was Jacobs the much better athlete but was also the clearly bigger man. Canelo offers none of these stylistic issues. He's a flat footed mediocre athlete who stands about 5'8.5 and has campaigned his entire career at 154 this farce of a fight not withstanding. Canelo is a good boxer. But he offers none of the physical attributes that troubled GGG so much against Jacobs.

Canelo isn't even that. He's listed as 5'9 but he wasn't taller than Floyd, probably a tad shorter.

RScarf1 wrote:I did not realize that there was such a height disparity between Golovkin and Canelo. Golovkin has a height advantage over Canelo. That question about will he be the toughest challenger you have ever faced: the answer was true for Canelo, but not for Golovkin. I think Jacobs will still be the toughest challenger of Golovkin's career. I predict a win for Golovkin by stoppage, so biased judges won't matter.

Yes, Canelo isn't the 5'9 listed. He wasn't taller than Mayweather.

caldo2025 wrote:First off, how about the balls on Canelo to ask GGG to come inside the ring after his fight for the second time after stiffing him the first time? I would have said "go screw". I'll see in you September. Then GGG extends respect to Canelo and wishes him "Good Luck" in September and the almighty Canelo responds back with that BS about no such thing as luck or whatever. That kids ego is getting out of control. We thought that Floyd was bad but this kid is going to bring it to a different level if he wins in September.

If i were betting my last dollar, i'd have to go with Canelo because I see this one going the distance and don't see GGG matching Canelo's output and work rate at this point in his career.

That's because GGG takes Canelo seriously while Canelo doesn't respect GGG and he will find out that GGG isn't Chavez.

Betting odds are very close.

I think GGG keeps Canelo at bay with his accurate jab. Canelo wont be able to get close enough to do any damage and eventually GGG breaks him down for a late stoppage (TKO.)

NateJR wrote:Canelo by a clear-cut decision win. I see Canelo being very successful countering GGG. Canelo doesn't need good footwork to beat GGG. GGG will be there to counter and Canelo won't have to go anywhere to find him. Canelos head movement and countering ability will prevail.

Just because Jacobs had success agaisnt GGG with good movement, doesn't mean Canelo has to fight the same way to win. Canelo is a crafty fighter and very good at what he does.

What happens if GGG reads your post and figures out what you told Canelo to do?