Is BJS the worst world champion around and will he be exposed by Khurtsidze?

[boxing_rocks]

I just think its really sad on BJS part. He's the champ so he says, well come on then show us and take some fights. Martin Murray is so underrated. Fight him. Prove your the best. Fight Eubank JR again if you want money. They could easily make good payday out of that rematch now.

Yes, Saunders should fight Murray.

Let's see if he can prove he is the best in Britain, before trying anything bigger.

Eubank Jr is better than both of them. BJS has yet to defeat Khutsidze if he wants to be taken seriously.

[Horse]

Eubank Jr is better than both of them.

Saunders has already beaten him and he has moved up to super middleweight anyway.

[boxing_rocks]

Eubank Jr is better than both of them.

Saunders has already beaten him and he has moved up to super middleweight anyway.

That was a very close fight with inexperienced Eubank spending the first half of it performing a role of a boxing star in some play. As soon as he started boxing like a normal person, he was dominating.

[tonymaccaroni]

Eubank Jr is better than both of them.

Saunders has already beaten him and he has moved up to super middleweight anyway.

Pretty sure he would fight at middleweight for a rematch with Billy Joe if the numbers are right,

[tonymaccaroni]

The talk was BJS boxing GGG in Kazakhstan during the expo later on.
That's not happening now Canelo v GGG is done so where does BJS go from here ?
First thought was domestic, rematch Eubank Jr.

Basically. He needs a convincing win over khurtsidze. I am telling you 100% Khurtsidze will need to knock BJS out, he wont get a decision on a allegedly promotion. So if he wins he goes inactive until an opportunity for GGG comes out. This is risky as he will need to take a mandatory if it goes too long for the chance and he might get beat and then lose the big payday.

I really don't know where he goes from here tbh. In his head its like him and GGG are the two elite fighters in world boxing and thats his big payday. The problem is thats kind of only in his head. Do they even know who he is in America? I mean he a very weak fight record especially from a US perspective I would imagine. I think when he loses to a world class fighter on a big payday then we might actually see some good british fights with him as he is boring style and if he loses a big one no one going to be bothered with him anymore. So he then if he wants to earn he will need to fight more.

[tonymaccaroni]

Eubank Jr is better than both of them.

Saunders has already beaten him and he has moved up to super middleweight anyway.

That was a very close fight with inexperienced Eubank spending the first half of it performing a role of a boxing star in some play. As soon as he started boxing like a normal person, he was dominating.

Spot on.

[KiwiRider]

I'm not a fan either. I do think he has skills, but not like he can win against all comers.
I doubt a rematch with Eubank will happen either, Chris has improved so much since that fight, probably that loss was enough to get him to up his game- so you can at least thank BJS for something

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Khursidze will win that fight on volume alone. Probably won't get the decision but bjs better be in great shape.

[verlichte]

I have watch every fight in the UK and US and have done for a long time. It was very clear from the beginning of BJS career that he was a 'chosen' fighter. What I mean is that in boxing unfortunately some prospects are chosen to progress and are spoon fed an easy route until a easy world title shot comes available.

In my opinion I have never seen anything more than average from BJS. He is not exciting to watch. He doesn't have knock out power. He looks gassed in literally every fight that goes late. He hasn't fought anyone of world class. He dodged Golovkin. World champions dont dodge big fights.

His toughest fight and best performance ever was Chris Eubank Jr imo. Even in that fight I genuinely dont believe he won it rather that Eubank had the exact same opinion as me and completely underestimated him. He didn't even fight for 6 rounds.... His ego lost him that fight. If he thought the first 6 rounds like he thought the last BJS would have lost or even worse got knocked out.

When I watched BJS vs Nick Blackwell, I genuinely thought Blackwell won the fight. The last few rounds BJS couldnt even breathe he was so tired and Blackwell was coming on strong easily winning the latter half of the fight. Eubank literally almost killed Nick Blackwell.

So why does BJS get such high accolade? When ever I see discussions about BJS or even Eubank it seems like he has 10ooos upon 1000s of admirers, yet he is so unexciting and average in almost every department, Why?

The guy barely even fights and takes as long a break as he can before defending his title. From what I have read I dont think he even wants to fight Khurtsidze but has no choice.

So my question does a boring fighter who has never fought anyone or even looked special once in the same discussion as Golovkin and talking as if he some sort of legend? Why does he have so many fans?

This one has puzzled me for so long so I thought I would see what the boxing community thinks.

First of all, Billy Joe Saunders isn’t the very worst current world champion of all the belt holders. This moniker is likely to be owned by one of the guys that compete at the 105lbs weight division, such as Jose Argumedo or Tatsuya Fukuhara, because they have quite a few losses on their record even though there are very few men that actually compete in their weight class.

Saunders has also defeated world-rated opposition, such as Andy Lee (former WBO world middleweight champion) and Chris Eubank Jr, which clearly contradicts one of your complaints that you've just expressed about the man.

Billy Joe Saunders' capturing a world title from Andy Lee, someone that Peter Quillin, Matt Korobov & John Jackson couldn’t beat, is no mean feat… and cannot possibly be considered an “easy route” to becoming a world champion.

In terms of your claim about Billy Joe “ducking” Gennady Golovkin, the first time he was offered the fight, the purse being proposed was only $1.5m, which is far less than what Daniel Jacobs was paid, despite the American not even holding a legitimate version of a world title. So the Brit understandably rejected K2's offer. Saunders then subsequently agreed to face Golovkin in June and was simply waiting for the Kazakh to sign the contracts, but GGG "lost his pen" and declined the fight at the last-minute in preference of sitting on the side-lines to wait for the Canelo bout instead.

In regards to your claim about Saunders “rarely” fighting, I think you’ll find that he competes as often as the majority of the world-rated guys, excluding a period of inactivity during 2016, which was partly due to injury. By July of this year, he would have competed twice during 2017, which is more than many world champions would have managed during the same time-frame.

Billy Joe Saunders doesn’t receive any accolades and nor does he have many fans. In fact, I don’t recall ever seeing many (or even any) from those that frequent this forum praising his abilities, so why did you even mention this? I cannot see any factual-based justification for your opinion on this particular point.

To be perfectly honest with you, I’ve never been much of a Billy Joe Saunders fan. I have always believed that he’s too small for a 160lb-er, but he only competes in this weight class because of his lack of discipline. He's not a fighter that I enjoy watching, unless he's facing someone that I rate.

That being said, whilst it’s clearly your prerogative to like or dislike whomever you deem fit, you shouldn’t resort to justifying your negative opinion on the basis of lies, myths and half-truths, because the majority of the reasons that you've cited for disliking the man are simply untrue.

[tonymaccaroni]

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[tonymaccaroni]

I have watch every fight in the UK and US and have done for a long time. It was very clear from the beginning of BJS career that he was a 'chosen' fighter. What I mean is that in boxing unfortunately some prospects are chosen to progress and are spoon fed an easy route until a easy world title shot comes available.

In my opinion I have never seen anything more than average from BJS. He is not exciting to watch. He doesn't have knock out power. He looks gassed in literally every fight that goes late. He hasn't fought anyone of world class. He dodged Golovkin. World champions dont dodge big fights.

His toughest fight and best performance ever was Chris Eubank Jr imo. Even in that fight I genuinely dont believe he won it rather that Eubank had the exact same opinion as me and completely underestimated him. He didn't even fight for 6 rounds.... His ego lost him that fight. If he thought the first 6 rounds like he thought the last BJS would have lost or even worse got knocked out.

When I watched BJS vs Nick Blackwell, I genuinely thought Blackwell won the fight. The last few rounds BJS couldnt even breathe he was so tired and Blackwell was coming on strong easily winning the latter half of the fight. Eubank literally almost killed Nick Blackwell.

So why does BJS get such high accolade? When ever I see discussions about BJS or even Eubank it seems like he has 10ooos upon 1000s of admirers, yet he is so unexciting and average in almost every department, Why?

The guy barely even fights and takes as long a break as he can before defending his title. From what I have read I dont think he even wants to fight Khurtsidze but has no choice.

So my question does a boring fighter who has never fought anyone or even looked special once in the same discussion as Golovkin and talking as if he some sort of legend? Why does he have so many fans?

This one has puzzled me for so long so I thought I would see what the boxing community thinks.

First of all, Billy Joe Saunders isn’t the very worst current world champion of all the belt holders. This moniker is likely to be owned by one of the guys that compete at the 105lbs weight division, such as Jose Argumedo or Tatsuya Fukuhara, because they have quite a few losses on their record even though there are very few men that actually compete in their weight class.

Saunders has also defeated world-rated opposition, such as Andy Lee (former WBO world middleweight champion) and Chris Eubank Jr, which clearly contradicts one of your complaints that you've just expressed about the man.

Billy Joe Saunders' capturing a world title from Andy Lee, someone that Peter Quillin, Matt Korobov & John Jackson couldn’t beat, is no mean feat… and cannot possibly be considered an “easy route” to becoming a world champion.

In terms of your claim about Billy Joe “ducking” Gennady Golovkin, the first time he was offered the fight, the purse being proposed was only $1.5m, which is far less than what Daniel Jacobs was paid, despite the American not even holding a legitimate version of a world title. So the Brit understandably rejected K2's offer. Saunders then subsequently agreed to face Golovkin in June and was simply waiting for the Kazakh to sign the contracts, but GGG "lost his pen" and declined the fight at the last-minute in preference of sitting on the side-lines to wait for the Canelo bout instead.

In regards to your claim about Saunders “rarely” fighting, I think you’ll find that he competes as often as the majority of the world-rated guys, excluding a period of inactivity during 2016, which was partly due to injury. By July of this year, he would have competed twice during 2017, which is more than many world champions would have managed during the same time-frame.

Billy Joe Saunders doesn’t receive any accolades and nor does he have many fans. In fact, I don’t recall ever seeing many (or even any) from those that frequent this forum praising his abilities, so why did you even mention this? I cannot see any factual-based justification for your opinion on this particular point.

To be perfectly honest with you, I’ve never been much of a Billy Joe Saunders fan. I have always believed that he’s too small for a 160lb-er, but he only competes in this weight class because of his lack of discipline. He's not a fighter that I enjoy watching, unless he's facing someone that I rate.

That being said, whilst it’s clearly your prerogative to like or dislike whomever you deem fit, you shouldn’t resort to justifying your negative opinion on the basis of lies, myths and half-truths, because the majority of the reasons that you've cited for disliking the man are simply untrue.

1) Andy Lee didn't look himself in that fight, I also dont think hes world class. To be fair the only time I ever thought BJS looked ok and again that was a MD with one judge awarding a draw. In a fight where he was knocked down twice in 1 round so a 10-7. There were like 2 points in it on one judge and 4 on another I think, so this was very close.

2) Eubank Jr didnt fight for 6 rounds and it was still a split decision. He literally gave him a 6 round head start because he is a retard. As boxingrocks said, the second he started fighting it wasn't even close.

3) So he turned down 1.5 million to fight Golovkin yeah? A chance to win more belts, earn his biggest pay day ever and be involved in an actual fight that people care about both sides of the pond. Yeah hes a champion alright. Daniel Jacobs probably has more fans and more appeal then BJS because hes exciting and survived bone cancer.... Thats why he was offered more money. Please tell me which BJS fight prior to him being offered 1.5 mil to fight GGG he would have been offered even a fifth of that purse? Boxers can say whatever excuse or reason they want. Real fighters and champions fight the best, he was offered more then he was worth and he turned it down. In regards to his subsequent agreement. I guess GGG just decided to wait for a bigger fight after being messed around by some guy hes gonna walk over in 2 rounds.

I think he agreed to it the second he realized they would just go and make a bigger fight. Half knowing it wouldn't happen. To me, he ducked the first opportunity no matter how F W and BJS want to dress it up.

4) Go and log onto facebook and look at Chris Euabnk Jr page. It is literally overrun with BJS fans insulting him on every single move he makes. Even now. If he posts a picture of him and his dad or him working out it is just BJS fans ripping on him, that is pretty much his entire social media experience. So there clearly are a very dedicated team of BJS fans.

5) In the last 3 years GGG has fought double the fights he has. The biggest draw in the world who probably makes ten times what BJS makes per fight has thought almost double the number of fights. Once he loses that title, no one cares anymore as he isn't exciting. Why risk losing that USP more then you have to? The thing is, he got offered the big payday and turned it down so its very confusing.

6) BJS doesn't receive accolades because hes nothing special. My point is he has literally called himself the best middleweight in the world. He thinks for some reason that he is a big name in boxing and should get a fight with GGG and should be being offered millions upon millions to fight. Lets get it straight right now, GGG is not interested in fighting BJS he is only interested unifying the division. BJS is obviously clinging to the title for as long as he can.

I am sorry I think most of what is being said here is at best subjective.

So whilst you may interpret it how you see it. I interpret it how I see it and I see a man who wants the big payday fight, yet didn't take it when he had the chance and now is in serious trouble of never actually getting it if he loses to Khurtsidze.I think you are base your info on what BJS says and most of what boxers and promoters say is rubbish. Obviously they paint a picture that suits them. I just like to look at the facts. Especially with the GGG thing, he ducked mate. He can say whatever he wants but he ducked it then changed his mind when he realised it was never going to happen so it looked like he didn't actually duck it. Very common practice in boxing.

He doesn't want to fight Khurtsidze he has to or he loses the belt... Then its GG. Not GGG.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/01/sau ... hurtsidze/

Read that, they wanted him for Canelo! But he wanted more money the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr! I mean in world boxing I know who the bigger name is and he took the fight for less money! What is going on in his head? How does he justify being worth more then literally everyone is offering him to fight other world superstars, which he claims he is.

So he didnt want to fight GGG first time round. Then he didnt want Canelo. Both of which are his biggest paydays by a long long way and first actual megafight. Now he doesn't want Khurtsidze. So please explain to me who does he want to fight? Are you saying everyone is offering him less then he is worth to fight and thats the reason? Sorry its just rubbish, he is being offered his worth he is just a coward who has overrated himself and his draw massively. It might even come back to bite him if he loses this one and then never gets a mega fight when he could have had a choice of two.

The dudes running scared of everyone holding out for the mega payday. But hes boring and has never done anything to justify this.If he loses to Khurtsidze I guess he will be awful sore about not taking the 1.5 mil.

Sorry I think hes a weak champion and a coward and not much there you said has made me think any differently or even really dispelled anything I have said, but as I said we all see it how we see it. Just look at judging in boxing. A million people and ringside experts see a close fight and one judge will give every round to one guy. Like the Rosado Murray fight. That was a good close fight which Murray edged. One judge gave it 10 rounds to Murray lol.

[verlichte]

First of all, Billy Joe Saunders isn’t the very worst current world champion of all the belt holders. This moniker is likely to be owned by one of the guys that compete at the 105lbs weight division, such as Jose Argumedo or Tatsuya Fukuhara, because they have quite a few losses on their record even though there are very few men that actually compete in their weight class.

Saunders has also defeated world-rated opposition, such as Andy Lee (former WBO world middleweight champion) and Chris Eubank Jr, which clearly contradicts one of your complaints that you've just expressed about the man.

Billy Joe Saunders' capturing a world title from Andy Lee, someone that Peter Quillin, Matt Korobov & John Jackson couldn’t beat, is no mean feat… and cannot possibly be considered an “easy route” to becoming a world champion.

In terms of your claim about Billy Joe “ducking” Gennady Golovkin, the first time he was offered the fight, the purse being proposed was only $1.5m, which is far less than what Daniel Jacobs was paid, despite the American not even holding a legitimate version of a world title. So the Brit understandably rejected K2's offer. Saunders then subsequently agreed to face Golovkin in June and was simply waiting for the Kazakh to sign the contracts, but GGG "lost his pen" and declined the fight at the last-minute in preference of sitting on the side-lines to wait for the Canelo bout instead.

In regards to your claim about Saunders “rarely” fighting, I think you’ll find that he competes as often as the majority of the world-rated guys, excluding a period of inactivity during 2016, which was partly due to injury. By July of this year, he would have competed twice during 2017, which is more than many world champions would have managed during the same time-frame.

Billy Joe Saunders doesn’t receive any accolades and nor does he have many fans. In fact, I don’t recall ever seeing many (or even any) from those that frequent this forum praising his abilities, so why did you even mention this? I cannot see any factual-based justification for your opinion on this particular point.

To be perfectly honest with you, I’ve never been much of a Billy Joe Saunders fan. I have always believed that he’s too small for a 160lb-er, but he only competes in this weight class because of his lack of discipline. He's not a fighter that I enjoy watching, unless he's facing someone that I rate.

That being said, whilst it’s clearly your prerogative to like or dislike whomever you deem fit, you shouldn’t resort to justifying your negative opinion on the basis of lies, myths and half-truths, because the majority of the reasons that you've cited for disliking the man are simply untrue.

1) Andy Lee didn't look himself in that fight, I also dont think hes world class. To be fair the only time I ever thought BJS looked ok and again that was a MD with one judge awarding a draw. In a fight where he was knocked down twice in 1 round so a 10-7. There were like 2 points in it on one judge and 4 on another I think, so this was very close.

2) Eubank Jr didnt fight for 6 rounds and it was still a split decision. He literally gave him a 6 round head start because he is a retard. As boxingrocks said, the second he started fighting it wasn't even close.

3) So he turned down 1.5 million to fight Golovkin yeah? A chance to win more belts, earn his biggest pay day ever and be involved in an actual fight that people care about both sides of the pond. Yeah hes a champion alright. Daniel Jacobs probably has more fans and more appeal then BJS because hes exciting and survived bone cancer.... Thats why he was offered more money. Please tell me which BJS fight prior to him being offered 1.5 mil to fight GGG he would have been offered even a fifth of that purse? Boxers can say whatever excuse or reason they want. Real fighters and champions fight the best, he was offered more then he was worth and he turned it down. In regards to his subsequent agreement. I guess GGG just decided to wait for a bigger fight after being messed around by some guy hes gonna walk over in 2 rounds.

I think he agreed to it the second he realized they would just go and make a bigger fight. Half knowing it wouldn't happen. To me, he ducked the first opportunity no matter how F W and BJS want to dress it up.

4) Go and log onto facebook and look at Chris Euabnk Jr page. It is literally overrun with BJS fans insulting him on every single move he makes. Even now. If he posts a picture of him and his dad or him working out it is just BJS fans ripping on him, that is pretty much his entire social media experience. So there clearly are a very dedicated team of BJS fans.

5) In the last 3 years GGG has fought double the fights he has. The biggest draw in the world who probably makes ten times what BJS makes per fight has thought almost double the number of fights. Once he loses that title, no one cares anymore as he isn't exciting. Why risk losing that USP more then you have to? The thing is, he got offered the big payday and turned it down so its very confusing.

6) BJS doesn't receive accolades because hes nothing special. My point is he has literally called himself the best middleweight in the world. He thinks for some reason that he is a big name in boxing and should get a fight with GGG and should be being offered millions upon millions to fight. Lets get it straight right now, GGG is not interested in fighting BJS he is only interested unifying the division. BJS is obviously clinging to the title for as long as he can.

I am sorry I think most of what is being said here is at best subjective.

So whilst you may interpret it how you see it. I interpret it how I see it and I see a man who wants the big payday fight, yet didn't take it when he had the chance and now is in serious trouble of never actually getting it if he loses to Khurtsidze.I think you are base your info on what BJS says and most of what boxers and promoters say is rubbish. Obviously they paint a picture that suits them. I just like to look at the facts. Especially with the GGG thing, he ducked mate. He can say whatever he wants but he ducked it then changed his mind when he realised it was never going to happen so it looked like he didn't actually duck it. Very common practice in boxing.

He doesn't want to fight Khurtsidze he has to or he loses the belt... Then its GG. Not GGG.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/01/sau ... hurtsidze/

Read that, they wanted him for Canelo! But he wanted more money the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr! I mean in world boxing I know who the bigger name is and he took the fight for less money! What is going on in his head? How does he justify being worth more then literally everyone is offering him to fight other world superstars, which he claims he is.

So he didnt want to fight GGG first time round. Then he didnt want Canelo. Both of which are his biggest paydays by a long long way and first actual megafight. Now he doesn't want Khurtsidze. So please explain to me who does he want to fight? Are you saying everyone is offering him less then he is worth to fight and thats the reason? Sorry its just rubbish, he is being offered his worth he is just a coward who has overrated himself and his draw massively. It might even come back to bite him if he loses this one and then never gets a mega fight when he could have had a choice of two.

The dudes running scared of everyone holding out for the mega payday. But hes boring and has never done anything to justify this.If he loses to Khurtsidze I guess he will be awful sore about not taking the 1.5 mil.

Sorry I think hes a weak champion and a coward and not much there you said has made me think any differently or even really dispelled anything I have said, but as I said we all see it how we see it. Just look at judging in boxing. A million people and ringside experts see a close fight and one judge will give every round to one guy. Like the Rosado Murray fight. That was a good close fight which Murray edged. One judge gave it 10 rounds to Murray lol.

The majority of your response is sourced solely by emotion rather than fact.

It's not my place to tell you how you should "feel" about something or someone, but it's not unreasonable for me to question the factual accuracy of your specific claims, since a lot of them bear no relation to the real-world situation.

You clearly don't like Billy Joe Saunders... and that's your prerogative - there's nothing wrong about that. The issue I have relates to the legitimacy of your reasons for doing so.

[Tanzio]

BJS has agreed to fight Khurtsidze. That is enough to convince me that he is not "the worst world champion around." I do hope that Khurtsidze ktfo BJS because I like his style (including no BS in his game, talk and initials).

[Mexi-Box]

I hope Khurtsidze takes his belt. One of those guys that fights anywhere and anytime. One thing no one can say is that Khurtsidze is afraid of anyone. Dude took highly touted Antoine Douglas in 2 weeks notice. BJS didn't even want to fight Golovkin or any other MW contender. It's ridiculous. He is one of the worst world champions around because of his refusal to fight anyone.

[tonymaccaroni]

BJS has agreed to fight Khurtsidze. That is enough to convince me that he is not "the worst world champion around." I do hope that Khurtsidze ktfo BJS because I like his style (including no BS in his game, talk and initials).

Dude he MUST fight Khurtsidze he has no choice or he loses the belt. If he loses the belt, thats it big time is over before it even began! He didn't want to! When he realised he would have to fight a lesser payday mandatory after the ggg and canelo refusal all of a sudden its videos calling GGG out saying hes a man and he can beat. He realised he might have missed his chance. They had moved on to canelo by that time so he did.

[tonymaccaroni]

1) Andy Lee didn't look himself in that fight, I also dont think hes world class. To be fair the only time I ever thought BJS looked ok and again that was a MD with one judge awarding a draw. In a fight where he was knocked down twice in 1 round so a 10-7. There were like 2 points in it on one judge and 4 on another I think, so this was very close.

2) Eubank Jr didnt fight for 6 rounds and it was still a split decision. He literally gave him a 6 round head start because he is a retard. As boxingrocks said, the second he started fighting it wasn't even close.

3) So he turned down 1.5 million to fight Golovkin yeah? A chance to win more belts, earn his biggest pay day ever and be involved in an actual fight that people care about both sides of the pond. Yeah hes a champion alright. Daniel Jacobs probably has more fans and more appeal then BJS because hes exciting and survived bone cancer.... Thats why he was offered more money. Please tell me which BJS fight prior to him being offered 1.5 mil to fight GGG he would have been offered even a fifth of that purse? Boxers can say whatever excuse or reason they want. Real fighters and champions fight the best, he was offered more then he was worth and he turned it down. In regards to his subsequent agreement. I guess GGG just decided to wait for a bigger fight after being messed around by some guy hes gonna walk over in 2 rounds.

I think he agreed to it the second he realized they would just go and make a bigger fight. Half knowing it wouldn't happen. To me, he ducked the first opportunity no matter how F W and BJS want to dress it up.

4) Go and log onto facebook and look at Chris Euabnk Jr page. It is literally overrun with BJS fans insulting him on every single move he makes. Even now. If he posts a picture of him and his dad or him working out it is just BJS fans ripping on him, that is pretty much his entire social media experience. So there clearly are a very dedicated team of BJS fans.

5) In the last 3 years GGG has fought double the fights he has. The biggest draw in the world who probably makes ten times what BJS makes per fight has thought almost double the number of fights. Once he loses that title, no one cares anymore as he isn't exciting. Why risk losing that USP more then you have to? The thing is, he got offered the big payday and turned it down so its very confusing.

6) BJS doesn't receive accolades because hes nothing special. My point is he has literally called himself the best middleweight in the world. He thinks for some reason that he is a big name in boxing and should get a fight with GGG and should be being offered millions upon millions to fight. Lets get it straight right now, GGG is not interested in fighting BJS he is only interested unifying the division. BJS is obviously clinging to the title for as long as he can.

I am sorry I think most of what is being said here is at best subjective.

So whilst you may interpret it how you see it. I interpret it how I see it and I see a man who wants the big payday fight, yet didn't take it when he had the chance and now is in serious trouble of never actually getting it if he loses to Khurtsidze.I think you are base your info on what BJS says and most of what boxers and promoters say is rubbish. Obviously they paint a picture that suits them. I just like to look at the facts. Especially with the GGG thing, he ducked mate. He can say whatever he wants but he ducked it then changed his mind when he realised it was never going to happen so it looked like he didn't actually duck it. Very common practice in boxing.

He doesn't want to fight Khurtsidze he has to or he loses the belt... Then its GG. Not GGG.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/01/sau ... hurtsidze/

Read that, they wanted him for Canelo! But he wanted more money the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr! I mean in world boxing I know who the bigger name is and he took the fight for less money! What is going on in his head? How does he justify being worth more then literally everyone is offering him to fight other world superstars, which he claims he is.

So he didnt want to fight GGG first time round. Then he didnt want Canelo. Both of which are his biggest paydays by a long long way and first actual megafight. Now he doesn't want Khurtsidze. So please explain to me who does he want to fight? Are you saying everyone is offering him less then he is worth to fight and thats the reason? Sorry its just rubbish, he is being offered his worth he is just a coward who has overrated himself and his draw massively. It might even come back to bite him if he loses this one and then never gets a mega fight when he could have had a choice of two.

The dudes running scared of everyone holding out for the mega payday. But hes boring and has never done anything to justify this.If he loses to Khurtsidze I guess he will be awful sore about not taking the 1.5 mil.

Sorry I think hes a weak champion and a coward and not much there you said has made me think any differently or even really dispelled anything I have said, but as I said we all see it how we see it. Just look at judging in boxing. A million people and ringside experts see a close fight and one judge will give every round to one guy. Like the Rosado Murray fight. That was a good close fight which Murray edged. One judge gave it 10 rounds to Murray lol.

The majority of your response is sourced solely by emotion rather than fact.

It's not my place to tell you how you should "feel" about something or someone, but it's not unreasonable for me to question the factual accuracy of your specific claims, since a lot of them bear no relation to the real-world situation.

You clearly don't like Billy Joe Saunders... and that's your prerogative - there's nothing wrong about that. The issue I have relates to the legitimacy of your reasons for doing so.

I mean plenty of people agree he doesn't want to fight anyone...... I mean you are basing your opinion on what BJS and his promotion team are feeding us, you have chosen to believe that narrative. Thats upto you.

But to say my opinion is not based on fact when he clearly has dodged canelo and GGG and now is not happy about having to take this mandatory. I just dont see how what I am saying is based on emotion and not fact. I am trying to look beyond the fronts on both side and what makes sense.

Every big fight the monies not good enough for him. Just please explain on a world level what he has done to draw equal paychecks with canelo and GGG? How is £1.5 mil not enough....? One thing I dot know are his usual paychecks for fight but I would be surprised if has even made half of that on a fight before.

The Eubank Jr and Andy Lee fights are subjective I give you that one so fair enough he won those fair and square regardless of whether Eubank let him win and whether Andy Lee had a bad night, he won against two GOOD opponents. One of those COULD go on to be world class. The other will most likely become a gatekeeper to the top echelons.

But each to their own as you say we are both entitled to our views and this is a good discussion.

[Tanzio]

BJS has agreed to fight Khurtsidze. That is enough to convince me that he is not "the worst world champion around." I do hope that Khurtsidze ktfo BJS because I like his style (including no BS in his game, talk and initials).

Dude he MUST fight Khurtsidze he has no choice or he loses the belt. If he loses the belt, thats it big time is over before it even began! He didn't want to! When he realised he would have to fight a lesser payday mandatory after the ggg and canelo refusal all of a sudden its videos calling GGG out saying hes a man and he can beat. He realised he might have missed his chance. They had moved on to canelo by that time so he did.

I get it, dude, but he did take it. Therefore, he is not "the worst." I think that he is better than his buddy The Travelling Coke Troll for instance.

[gilgamesh]

I don't think he's the worst World Champion around, but I do think Khurtsidze is a solid opponent and has a near 50/50 chance against him.

[tonymaccaroni]

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[tonymaccaroni]

BJS has agreed to fight Khurtsidze. That is enough to convince me that he is not "the worst world champion around." I do hope that Khurtsidze ktfo BJS because I like his style (including no BS in his game, talk and initials).

Dude he MUST fight Khurtsidze he has no choice or he loses the belt. If he loses the belt, thats it big time is over before it even began! He didn't want to! When he realised he would have to fight a lesser payday mandatory after the ggg and canelo refusal all of a sudden its videos calling GGG out saying hes a man and he can beat. He realised he might have missed his chance. They had moved on to canelo by that time so he did.

I get it, dude, but he did take it. Therefore, he is not "the worst." I think that he is better than his buddy The Travelling Coke Troll for instance.

I think my title was a bit extreme he is obviously not the worst world title holder, i think the title was more to draw discussion rather then me thinking he is literally the worst champion in terms of skill, he is obviously not. I just think out of the big divisions with the big names he is way below them in terms of skill and record and stands out as a 'weak' champion in comparison. Its just his behaviour as a Champion. The best champion swanna fight and money is only part of it. BJS just seems like someone who will do anything to cling on to his zero. Which is fine. Just stop running your mouth about how your this and that and everyone else is a bum, when really you only wanna fight bums.

Lol these god damn word replacements are incredible. If it is who I think it is honestly think he gets a rough time and is actually a really great boxer. I would bet on him against Joshua. His movement and skill for a big guy is fantastic, I know I will get slated to hell for this but he almost reminds me of Ali a little in style . Though I don't think he will ever be able to get back in that shape and get off the gear unfortunately.

allegedly

That one kills me

[tonymaccaroni]

I don't think he's the worst World Champion around, but I do think Khurtsidze is a solid opponent and has a near 50/50 chance against him.

Yeah Im looking forward to it. The press conference where he basically went full racist saying English are fighters and Georgians are pussies (something like that cant remember exact word), was particualrly classy.

I think it will be a good fight. Gonna be tough Khurtsidze in England but if he can at least whack him and make him look hurt once or twice I will be happy.

[Tanzio]

Dude he MUST fight Khurtsidze he has no choice or he loses the belt. If he loses the belt, thats it big time is over before it even began! He didn't want to! When he realised he would have to fight a lesser payday mandatory after the ggg and canelo refusal all of a sudden its videos calling GGG out saying hes a man and he can beat. He realised he might have missed his chance. They had moved on to canelo by that time so he did.

I get it, dude, but he did take it. Therefore, he is not "the worst." I think that he is better than his buddy The Travelling Coke Troll for instance.

I think my title was a bit extreme he is obviously not the worst world title holder, i think the title was more to draw discussion rather then me thinking he is literally the worst champion in terms of skill, he is obviously not. I just think out of the big divisions with the big names he is way below them in terms of skill and record and stands out as a 'weak' champion in comparison. Its just his behaviour as a Champion. The best champion swanna fight and money is only part of it. BJS just seems like someone who will do anything to cling on to his zero. Which is fine. Just stop running your mouth about how your this and that and everyone else is a bum, when really you only wanna fight bums.

Lol these god damn word replacements are incredible. If it is who I think it is honestly think he gets a rough time and is actually a really great boxer. I would bet on him against Joshua. His movement and skill for a big guy is fantastic, I know I will get slated to hell for this but he almost reminds me of Ali a little in style . Though I don't think he will ever be able to get back in that shape and get off the gear unfortunately.

allegedly

That one kills me

I am with you as far as The Kong of Coke Mountain is concerned. I was fired up when he made Wlad look clueless. I believe in redemption so I hope that he can get his sh!t rebagged and get back to utilizing the unique gifts that he was born with and the skills that accentuate those gifts.

[Lackeos]

Saunders, who beat Andy Lee and Chris Eubank Jr., will not be losing to Khurtsidze. Saunders is also not the worst titlist, but I could see how someone who is not very knowledgeable about boxing could think that he is. Maybe you've never heard of Tyron Zeuge?

[crusader]

On form he should win clearly, but he could definitely lose if he's out of shape like last bout; I had that one a draw.

[tonymaccaroni]

Saunders, who beat Andy Lee and Chris Eubank Jr., will not be losing to Khurtsidze. Saunders is also not the worst titlist, but I could see how someone who is not very knowledgeable about boxing could think that he is. Maybe you've never heard of Tyron Zeuge?

Read thread. I don't think he is literally the worst world champion just a poor one with a poor record who rates his stock far higher then its worth and likes to dodge fights against the best of the best.