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I keep changing my mind whether I think Canelo's power is underrated or overrated. Looking at his recent record, in the last five years he has fought 11 times, winning 10 and losing one. Of his 10 wins, half have come by knockout, half by decision. Including the loss, his sub 50% KO ratio would make you think he isn't much of a puncher, but I think this is deceiving. He has been fighting a fairly consistently high calibre of opposition and with the exception of his most recent fight, he tends to get the stoppage when he is clearly the better fighter. Of the guys who took him the distance, Mosley and Chavez Jr are known for their iron chins, while Cotto, Lara and Trout all pushed him in close fights that IMO could have gone either way. Cotto and Trout clearly outworked him but were less efficient in their work, while Lara fought very defensively and dictated the action.

In conclusion, Canelo is a very hard puncher, which is somewhat disguised by his high level of opposition and his low work rate. He's not a puncher like GGG is, but I think he hits hard enough that GGG won't be able to neglect his defense in order to land his own punches, like he did against Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe, Wade and Brook.

Chavez says Canelo is not a big puncher:

http://www.BS.com/chavez-jr-ca ... er--116381

[quote="Evander"]Scale of 1-10
1 Weak
10 Strong

On general power of punch his average is about a 7.
Wild swings haymakers and the rest of it he can punch harder, but a regular output of punches would put him at around 7.[/quot

At least 9/10.....There are three (Canelo, GGG, Lemi), maybe four (Stevens) powerful punchers at MW. Chavez is no more MW, in fact he is no more serious fighter........

To assess anyone's punch power we should also consider their style, stance, tactics and circumstances. I mean basically anyone can knock out anyone around the same size if they time the punch and catch them right. Tommy Hearns caught Dennis Andries with one of the most beautifully timed right hands of all time. Brave Dennis defied logic getting up from that one. A decent blow on the chin, mouth, and nose area usually means lights out.

Some fighters go looking for a knockout with big wild swings, but that always carries more risk - its almost impossible to throw a knockout punch without leaving yourself open to a counter unless your opponent makes a bad error. Their fights are generally more exciting because of this double edged risk, and a lot of knockout artists risk get knocked out themselves. Some never look for a one punch knockout, and never get one. They spend their careers looking for points victories behind a good defence.

Sometimes it can be the punch you don't see that does you. The surprise and shock can leave you stunned, open to further damage whilst you try to get head back. At world championship level no one should get knocked by a blow that we the fans can see coming. Not unless its late in the fight and fatigue creeps in ala Michael Watson finally getting tagged by one of Chris Eubanks really wild swings very late. A late knockout also seems to be far more dangerous to a fighters health.

Power does help, but its not just about power. Boxing like life is just not fair. It's an enormous advantage to have bigger hands than your opponent, Mother Nature's hand wraps. Its one fighter's job to use them, and the other fighter's job to prevent them (appropriate head and foot movement, a good guard, intimidation and counter threats etc).

Punch power is one of those intangibles composed of a lot of different factors.

Let me see if I can get a scale.

1=Malignaggi/Burns/Bradley
2=Broner
...
5=Average
...
9=Golovkin/Kovalev/Mikey
10=Kudryashov/Beterbiev/Gassiev/Lemieux

Canelo is probably at a 6.

ValMar wrote:

Evander wrote:Scale of 1-10
1 Weak
10 Strong

On general power of punch his average is about a 7.
Wild swings haymakers and the rest of it he can punch harder, but a regular output of punches would put him at around 7.[/quot

At least 9/10.....There are three (Canelo, GGG, Lemi), maybe four (Stevens) powerful punchers at MW. Chavez is no more MW, in fact he is no more serious fighter........

Canelo is not on the same level with those 3 or Jacobs. Each of them would stop Chavez if they landed those punches Canelo landed. So would they stop Cotto.

GGG's recent fights and is he slipping ?

Lemieux
GGG didnt exactly go running in there looking for a straightner lets have it toe to toe type of fight did he, some of it was done on the outside using slower break down strategies.
If GGG had felt confident of his ability to land clean with his type of power he would have done so, maybe he can but is he confident in his ability to take incoming ?

Brook
Even though he stopped Kell GGG looked marked up post fight.
Surprised me as he looked to have gone through Brook with relative ease, GGG had mentioned feeling slightly under the weather pre fight which could have played a role in the markings or was it Brook found a gap ?

Jacobs
GGG's strategy took a hit, why because Jacobs was a big Middleweight, Jacobs was smarter or GGG maybe slipping ?
Whatever it was GGG didn't come out of this fight smelling of roses.

He's got solid power

His reluctance to full on Lemieux his marked up face against Brook and the decision against Jacobs isn't a clear path to beating Canelo.
Yes his power is good that I'm not questioning.

Why would he full on Lemieux? He was easily outboxing him with the jab, and pretty much all Lemieux can do is slug in close/mid range.

Why maximize his opponent's chances by making it that kind of fight?

crusader wrote:Why would he full on Lemieux? He was easily outboxing him with the jab, and pretty much all Lemieux can do is slug in close/mid range.

Why maximize his opponent's chances by making it that kind of fight?

It wasn't just that it was clear from the start GGG didn't want to engage out of his comfort zone.

Canelo has got a bit of a shot on him hasn't he

He's not feather fisted

But he definitely doesn't have enough power to stop GGG, walking through him, I don't think he will gain GGGs respect power wise, He''ll present GGG with some problems but power won't be one of them, his punch variety probably will be, the way he puts his shots together, but his power ain't gonna be no trouble to GGG

Canelo could knock him out that's on the table I wouldn't count it out.

Evander wrote:Canelo could knock him out that's on the table I wouldn't count it out.

So, he couldn't stop Cotto and JCCJ, but he is stopping Golovkin ??? Everybody has a right to dream.

How do you rank his power ?

Does it really matter? Stupid question. Shane Mosley said it was the same as Floyds.

MachoTime wrote:

Evander wrote:Yesterday he looked like he carried Chavez Jr out of respect ... a Mexican thing, mark of respect so to speak.
Alvarez could have kicked his ass anytime so easily but didn't do so or even launch a serious front for long enough to make that happen.
Canelo had Chavez Jr in his sights throughout the entire fight, yes he unloaded here and there but this was Canelo LITE.

There's the post I was looking for.

I do agree the thought that Canelo was carrying Jr. All Canelo had to do was step on the gas. I thought the same thing watching. Why not end this mismatch fiasco. On second thoughts or a day after the fight I have doubts Canelo was capable of doing that. Canelo has respectable power. But I think Canelo also takes a lot of breaks, could be a stamina issue.

Come on. Canelo threw everything he had at JCCJR and he just couldn't even daze the kid. There was no way that he was carrying him and not trying to get him out of there. That's the most ridiculous assertion that i've ever heard. Canelo looked exhausted from throwing so many power shots. In fact, i've never seen a fighter throw as many knockout punches in a fight in my life. His elbow was a like an piston just pumping.

Canelo's lack of power shown at 164.5 might be the biggest factor in the fight with GGG. If GGG doesn't fear someone's punch, it's over. Then he just used his face to get inside and land his shots that Canelo obviously will feel.

caldo2025 wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

Evander wrote:Yesterday he looked like he carried Chavez Jr out of respect ... a Mexican thing, mark of respect so to speak.
Alvarez could have kicked his ass anytime so easily but didn't do so or even launch a serious front for long enough to make that happen.
Canelo had Chavez Jr in his sights throughout the entire fight, yes he unloaded here and there but this was Canelo LITE.

There's the post I was looking for.

I do agree the thought that Canelo was carrying Jr. All Canelo had to do was step on the gas. I thought the same thing watching. Why not end this mismatch fiasco. On second thoughts or a day after the fight I have doubts Canelo was capable of doing that. Canelo has respectable power. But I think Canelo also takes a lot of breaks, could be a stamina issue.

Come on. Canelo threw everything he had at JCCJR and he just couldn't even daze the kid. There was no way that he was carrying him and not trying to get him out of there. That's the most ridiculous assertion that i've ever heard. Canelo looked exhausted from throwing so many power shots. In fact, i've never seen a fighter throw as many knockout punches in a fight in my life. His elbow was a like an piston just pumping.

Canelo's lack of power shown at 164.5 might be the biggest factor in the fight with GGG. If GGG doesn't fear someone's punch, it's over. Then he just used his face to get inside and land his shots that Canelo obviously will feel.

We agree then. The thought was Canelo carrying Jr. because the fight was a mismatch. Not that Canelo was carrying Jr.

I'd say he is fairly heavy handed at Light middle. But he doesn't have concussive knock out power against anyone with a half decent chin.

At middleweight he's probably got pretty average power to be honest. He's probably at his limit. He won't knock out many at middleweight I don't think.

If he fights above middleweight against anyone decent I think he's too short and is in for some tough nights.

ewenhay wrote:I'd say he is fairly heavy handed at Light middle. But he doesn't have concussive knock out power against anyone with a half decent chin.

At middleweight he's probably got pretty average power to be honest. He's probably at his limit. He won't knock out many at middleweight I don't think.

If he fights above middleweight against anyone decent I think he's too short and is in for some tough nights.

He's in for tough nights at Middleweight too for that matter. Other than Chavez Jr. he's yet to fight a guy who is actually a Middleweight and Chavez Jr. though he's fought heavier than Middleweight wasn't ranked anymore at the time of Canelo's meeting him. He still had his name value, but most of the shine had come off of Julio Jr.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Evander wrote:Canelo could knock him out that's on the table I wouldn't count it out.

So, he couldn't stop Cotto and JCCJ, but he is stopping Golovkin ??? Everybody has a right to dream.

In the case of JCC Jr Canelo didn't want to knock him out it looked obvious to me.

Evander wrote:Yesterday he looked like he carried Chavez Jr out of respect ... a Mexican thing, mark of respect so to speak.
Alvarez could have kicked his ass anytime so easily but didn't do so or even launch a serious front for long enough to make that happen.
Canelo had Chavez Jr in his sights throughout the entire fight, yes he unloaded here and there but this was Canelo LITE.

I don't agree with this. The only thing we can take as fact is that he didn't get him out of there. Whether is couldn't or wouldn't is speculation but I'd bet on the former. He's a pro sportsmen ffs

Evander wrote:Just not true ^
How is he supposed to get motivated for a weak chinned Khan who he KO'd and an unmotivated limited weighed drained Chavez Jr ?

Your answer here has no relevance to the question.

Are you suggesting canelo was motivated to beat Khan as he stopped him but not motivated to beat Chavez as he didn't stop him?

Canelo will have landed as many hard punches on Chavez as he did Khan. Difference is size of opponent and durability

Mexi-Box wrote:Let me see if I can get a scale.

1=Malignaggi/Burns/Bradley
2=Broner
...
5=Average
...
9=Golovkin/Kovalev/Mikey
10=Kudryashov/Beterbiev/Gassiev/Lemieux

Canelo is probably at a 6.

ABs power is never a 2. He put porter on his arse in the 12th showing he has a dig and it carries through the fight.

Golovkin punchers harder than Lemieux imo also

Evander wrote:GGG's recent fights and is he slipping ?

Lemieux
GGG didnt exactly go running in there looking for a straightner lets have it toe to toe type of fight did he, some of it was done on the outside using slower break down strategies.
If GGG had felt confident of his ability to land clean with his type of power he would have done so, maybe he can but is he confident in his ability to take incoming ?

Brook
Even though he stopped Kell GGG looked marked up post fight.
Surprised me as he looked to have gone through Brook with relative ease, GGG had mentioned feeling slightly under the weather pre fight which could have played a role in the markings or was it Brook found a gap ?

Jacobs
GGG's strategy took a hit, why because Jacobs was a big Middleweight, Jacobs was smarter or GGG maybe slipping ?
Whatever it was GGG didn't come out of this fight smelling of roses.

Golovkin isn't just a puncher, he's a boxer too. To suggest he didn't have confidence in his ability to land on Lemieux as he didn't go in full steam ahead really isn't justice to his ability as a boxer. He was fighting a big puncher and took him apart and beat the shite out of him. It would have been crazy to go in for a straightener in them circumstances. Itd be like Lennox Lewis going for a scrap against David tua. Why give them the chance to win