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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Kell brook cut more weight to fight at 160 than golovkin did. Canelo is a light heavy in the ring. He'll cut more weight than ggg too.

We've been here already before

I'm dealing with facts. Perhaps someday you'll get it.

The fact is that brook can make a lighter weight than ggg

Any weight out of boxing is secondary

Canelos not a light heavy

We can virtually add a division or 2 to everyone in history going by your logic

What matters is the weight the boxers fight at

Hopefully you'll get your head round this one day

Doesn't matter how ripped he looks is all I'm saying. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiser and struggled making LHW even though he still carried a higher amount of bodyfat than Brook at 175. It's not quite as black and white as all that. People's body shapes and sizes vary a lot. And Brook, ripped as he is at 175, in my opinion is still the naturally smaller guy than GGG.

I agree with Ozzyrules above.

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
We've been here already before

I'm dealing with facts. Perhaps someday you'll get it.

The fact is that brook can make a lighter weight than ggg

Any weight out of boxing is secondary

Canelos not a light heavy

We can virtually add a division or 2 to everyone in history going by your logic

What matters is the weight the boxers fight at

Hopefully you'll get your head round this one day

Don't feel bad, the majority of boxing fans are as clueless to the weight game as you are.

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Brooks an enormous welterweight, but he's still a welterweight. Golovkin is a middleweight. Regardless of what weight brook chose to come in fight night, he has gone up in weight to fight golovkin.

Brook didn't really move up in weight. He just stopped draining so much. It's like saying Canelo moved up 2 divisions to fight Chavez Jr. because they fought at 164.5 lbs. Canelo just stopped draining so much as he was coming into the ring close to 180 lbs. and stuff.

Brooks a welterweight whose had a fight at middle. Until he can no longer do welter, he's a welter.

Your arguement is crazy. Is canelo a light heavy as he's not draining as much? No he's clearly smaller than the light heavies out there

A lot of these dudes aren't really in their natural division. Brook is a huge drainer who was built absolutely solid at MW. He wasn't fat like Josesito Lopez when he fought at LMW against Canelo or Marquez when he moved up to fight Mayweather. That's how you can tell those are legit small-framed guys that moved up a division.

Canelo was built absolutely solid at 164.5 lbs. and Brook was solid at MW. They both just stopped draining so much. Yes, technically if you look at the numbers you can spin it that tthey moved up 2 divisions. In reality, if this was same day weigh-in, they both would be fighting at that division anyways.

sharpei_louis wrote:Doesn't matter how ripped he looks is all I'm saying. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiser and struggled making LHW even though he still carried a higher amount of bodyfat than Brook at 175. It's not quite as black and white as all that. People's body shapes and sizes vary a lot. And Brook, ripped as he is at 175, in my opinion is still the naturally smaller guy than GGG.

I agree with Ozzyrules above.

You're as entitled to be wrong as he is.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Brook didn't really move up in weight. He just stopped draining so much. It's like saying Canelo moved up 2 divisions to fight Chavez Jr. because they fought at 164.5 lbs. Canelo just stopped draining so much as he was coming into the ring close to 180 lbs. and stuff.

Brooks a welterweight whose had a fight at middle. Until he can no longer do welter, he's a welter.

Your arguement is crazy. Is canelo a light heavy as he's not draining as much? No he's clearly smaller than the light heavies out there

A lot of these dudes aren't really in their natural division. Brook is a huge drainer who was built absolutely solid at MW. He wasn't fat like Josesito Lopez when he fought at LMW against Canelo or Marquez when he moved up to fight Mayweather. That's how you can tell those are legit small-framed guys that moved up a division.

Canelo was built absolutely solid at 164.5 lbs. and Brook was solid at MW. They both just stopped draining so much. Yes, technically if you look at the numbers you can spin it that tthey moved up 2 divisions. In reality, if this was same day weigh-in, they both would be fighting at that division anyways.

Ggg is one of the few that wouldn't have to change divisions if they went back to same day weigh ins.

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Brook didn't really move up in weight. He just stopped draining so much. It's like saying Canelo moved up 2 divisions to fight Chavez Jr. because they fought at 164.5 lbs. Canelo just stopped draining so much as he was coming into the ring close to 180 lbs. and stuff.

Brooks a welterweight whose had a fight at middle. Until he can no longer do welter, he's a welter.

Your arguement is crazy. Is canelo a light heavy as he's not draining as much? No he's clearly smaller than the light heavies out there

A lot of these dudes aren't really in their natural division. Brook is a huge drainer who was built absolutely solid at MW. He wasn't fat like Josesito Lopez when he fought at LMW against Canelo or Marquez when he moved up to fight Mayweather. That's how you can tell those are legit small-framed guys that moved up a division.

Canelo was built absolutely solid at 164.5 lbs. and Brook was solid at MW. They both just stopped draining so much. Yes, technically if you look at the numbers you can spin it that tthey moved up 2 divisions. In reality, if this was same day weigh-in, they both would be fighting at that division anyways.

Can golovkin do 147

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:Doesn't matter how ripped he looks is all I'm saying. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiser and struggled making LHW even though he still carried a higher amount of bodyfat than Brook at 175. It's not quite as black and white as all that. People's body shapes and sizes vary a lot. And Brook, ripped as he is at 175, in my opinion is still the naturally smaller guy than GGG.

I agree with Ozzyrules above.

You're as entitled to be wrong as he is.

He's spot on what are you on about

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:Doesn't matter how ripped he looks is all I'm saying. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiser and struggled making LHW even though he still carried a higher amount of bodyfat than Brook at 175. It's not quite as black and white as all that. People's body shapes and sizes vary a lot. And Brook, ripped as he is at 175, in my opinion is still the naturally smaller guy than GGG.

I agree with Ozzyrules above.

You're as entitled to be wrong as he is.

He's spot on what are you on about

I'm not on about anything. Tongue in cheek insults. You don't know what you're talking about, but I'm far from angry. Lol

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I'm dealing with facts. Perhaps someday you'll get it.

The fact is that brook can make a lighter weight than ggg

Any weight out of boxing is secondary

Canelos not a light heavy

We can virtually add a division or 2 to everyone in history going by your logic

What matters is the weight the boxers fight at

Hopefully you'll get your head round this one day

Don't feel bad, the majority of boxing fans are as clueless to the weight game as you are.

Having had to make weight, I know a couple things

Don't feel bad you'll cotton onto this weight lark.

sharpei_louis wrote:Doesn't matter how ripped he looks is all I'm saying. Tony Bellew is a natural cruiser and struggled making LHW even though he still carried a higher amount of bodyfat than Brook at 175. It's not quite as black and white as all that. People's body shapes and sizes vary a lot. And Brook, ripped as he is at 175, in my opinion is still the naturally smaller guy than GGG.

I agree with Ozzyrules above.

You have the part right about people's body varying. Brook, Canelo, and Crawford are able to drain down while GGG either can't or doesn't want to. Honestly, I really do think GGG can drain down, but I don't think he wants to. The guy gains weight during training camp. His 30-day weigh ins were like 160-165 lbs. then he comes into the ring at 170 lbs. or so.

Brook isn't naturally smaller than GGG. Do you think Brook can make WW or LMW if this were a same-day weigh in rules?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: You're as entitled to be wrong as he is.

He's spot on what are you on about

I'm not on about anything. Tongue in cheek insults. You don't know what you're talking about, but I'm far from angry. Lol

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Brooks a welterweight whose had a fight at middle. Until he can no longer do welter, he's a welter.

Your arguement is crazy. Is canelo a light heavy as he's not draining as much? No he's clearly smaller than the light heavies out there

A lot of these dudes aren't really in their natural division. Brook is a huge drainer who was built absolutely solid at MW. He wasn't fat like Josesito Lopez when he fought at LMW against Canelo or Marquez when he moved up to fight Mayweather. That's how you can tell those are legit small-framed guys that moved up a division.

Canelo was built absolutely solid at 164.5 lbs. and Brook was solid at MW. They both just stopped draining so much. Yes, technically if you look at the numbers you can spin it that tthey moved up 2 divisions. In reality, if this was same day weigh-in, they both would be fighting at that division anyways.

Can golovkin do 147

If we went back to same day weigh ins do you think Brook can do 147 lbs.?

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: A lot of these dudes aren't really in their natural division. Brook is a huge drainer who was built absolutely solid at MW. He wasn't fat like Josesito Lopez when he fought at LMW against Canelo or Marquez when he moved up to fight Mayweather. That's how you can tell those are legit small-framed guys that moved up a division.

Canelo was built absolutely solid at 164.5 lbs. and Brook was solid at MW. They both just stopped draining so much. Yes, technically if you look at the numbers you can spin it that tthey moved up 2 divisions. In reality, if this was same day weigh-in, they both would be fighting at that division anyways.

Can golovkin do 147

If we went back to same day weigh ins do you think Brook can do 147 lbs.?

Can golovkin do 147 at modern day weigh in regulations

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
The fact is that brook can make a lighter weight than ggg

Any weight out of boxing is secondary

Canelos not a light heavy

We can virtually add a division or 2 to everyone in history going by your logic

What matters is the weight the boxers fight at

Hopefully you'll get your head round this one day

Don't feel bad, the majority of boxing fans are as clueless to the weight game as you are.

Having had to make weight, I know a couple things

Don't feel bad you'll cotton onto this weight lark.

I'm one of the few that get it. Too bad you're too stubborn for school. I could get you above complete ignorance in a jiffy. Oh well, enjoy your bliss.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Don't feel bad, the majority of boxing fans are as clueless to the weight game as you are.

Having had to make weight, I know a couple things

Don't feel bad you'll cotton onto this weight lark.

I'm one of the few that get it. Too bad you're too stubborn for school. I could get you above complete ignorance in a jiffy. Oh well, enjoy your bliss.

Enjoy your arm chair knowledge. You're too stubborn to listen

Not WW certainly, but LMW maybe? My issue is that I imagine that Brook could build himself up above 175lbs though quite easily and still look solid and ripped, but he's 5'8 or something and I just can't have that that would make him a natural cruiser. Whether it's muscle or fat they put on is pretty irrelevant really. Do you believe that Brook is the bigger man than GGG? I think he tried to put extra bulk on for that fight to start with in any event.

Conversely I also believe that same day weigh ins would make everything more interesting and that as long as people didn't endanger themselves by fighting immediately after a drain, that would be the fairest way of doing things. Yeah that may make Brook a natural MW, but I still think he's simply not naturally as big as GGG and that's nonwithstanding that GGG has spent a career in the ring with MWs.

And I don't get insulted just cause someone disagrees with me, it's all good

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Can golovkin do 147

If we went back to same day weigh ins do you think Brook can do 147 lbs.?

Can golovkin do 147 at modern day weigh in regulations

Probably, he wouldn't look good though. Gets a lot harder at that age. He's never been a drainer.

You think GGG could cut 13lbs? I think he'd look like a corpse!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: If we went back to same day weigh ins do you think Brook can do 147 lbs.?

Can golovkin do 147 at modern day weigh in regulations

Probably, he wouldn't look good though. Gets a lot harder at that age. He's never been a drainer.

Half answers my question

Could he do 147 and actually compete.

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Having had to make weight, I know a couple things

Don't feel bad you'll cotton onto this weight lark.

I'm one of the few that get it. Too bad you're too stubborn for school. I could get you above complete ignorance in a jiffy. Oh well, enjoy your bliss.

Enjoy your arm chair knowledge. You're too stubborn to listen

I'm listening, you're just entirely wrong.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I'm one of the few that get it. Too bad you're too stubborn for school. I could get you above complete ignorance in a jiffy. Oh well, enjoy your bliss.

Enjoy your arm chair knowledge. You're too stubborn to listen

I'm listening, you're just entirely wrong.

I can only hope you're actually learning but aren't saying so to save face

I think GGG would struggle to walk at 147lbs never mind compete.

sharpei_louis wrote:I think GGG would struggle to walk at 147lbs never mind compete.

Correct

As he's too big.

Ossyrules wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Can golovkin do 147 at modern day weigh in regulations

Probably, he wouldn't look good though. Gets a lot harder at that age. He's never been a drainer.

Half answers my question

Could he do 147 and actually compete.

Your question is stupid. You claim to have intimate knowledge of weight cutting yet you don't seem to grasp that his body may not respond to a weight cut he hasn't done for decades. No, I don't think he'd be the same at 47. After fighting at a more natural weight, I don't think Kell will either.