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Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 05:49
by scorpio83
I'm not to going to say that name who said he respected Muhammad Ali, but at the same time he discredited him and mentioning Mayweather, who is irrelevant to my subject. This user is disrespectful towards Ali and other legends of boxing and those comments he said made my point. That is the definition of contradiction. He contradicted his words against himself. You say Ali was afraid of Amos Johnson, who was a threat to him because he beat Ali (then Cassius Clay) in the amateurs. Amos Johnson was a threat to Ali back then early in Ali's career and his best win was against Sir Henry Cooper. There was one problem: Amos Johnson wasn't a threat to Ali throughout his pro boxing career and I don't want to knock on him, but he loses to a journeyman Billy Joiner and I gave Amos Johnson a credit for avenging his loss in their rematch. Not just Amos Johnson lost to Joiner, but he also lost to Kent Green, Chip Johnson, Elmer Rush and Danny Lee. Amos Johnson had no ashamed of losing to Brian London in a debatable decision, former world heavyweight champion Sonny Liston, Oscar Bonavena, Leotis Martin and light heavyweight contender Ray Anderson. However, I don't see Ali allow to lose to any journeyman and all of 5 losses were against present and future world heavyweight champions. I got another suggestion, if you want to mention Mayweather again, who wasn't related to my subject and at the same time, discrediting legends like Ali and others with your information, then I would defend and counter your argument. The next comment from you, I will not reply to you and I did not get your comment. Go ahead, but just
don't go there with the subject that wasn't related to this that I mentioned before.
Go back to the subject again. If anyone watched the George Chuvalo vs. Jerry Quarry, does anyone think Quarry showed a sign of brain injury after getting knocked down, got up, but knee down in an attempt to beat the count and he took too long to get up after referee Zach Clayton counted him out?
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 05:56
by Ossyrules
Kalan wrote:There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?
Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.
Absolute shite
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 06:10
by scorpio83
Ossyrules wrote:Kalan wrote:There are those who are easily shaken... easily stirred ... Some take the long view... who is the latest and greatest?
Lalia Ali was expounding on the greatness of Anthony Joshua, talking about how handsome he is and all... when the interviewer asked her "What about Klitschko's performance in that fight?" She made a face and said "He's on the way out. Joshua is what's new and happening" ... But she said she felt pity for Mayweather because he claimed to be greater than her father.. By any measure Mayweather is correct.. He certainly was a better boxer who could defend himself a lot better -- and fought in more World Title Fights while beating better opponents. And as a drawing card he certainly outstrips Ali.
Absolute shite
Exactly and we do not get him.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 19:15
by Kalan
To the 3 posters above I have this to say because you're not being objective but emotional...
It's no reach that Mayweather was a much bigger draw than Ali... Mayweather even drew big gates fighting dogs like Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto... Nobody was interested when Ali fought Rudi Lubbers and Alfredo Evangelista.. Nobody was going to do any PPV on cherry-picked fights like that.. They even guaranteed Mayweather 32 million a fight -- and he did considerably better than that as they made a ton of money off of him.
Ali's best payday was Larry Holmes... One of the saddest nights and worst showings in the History of Sports.
As for Quarry being a throwback fighter??? ... Quarry was never real happy with Boxing... Jerry even said he wished he'd done something other than box for a living -- and had he not been focused on Boxing as a youngster, a sport his dad insisted he and his brothers take up -- he would have accomplished something worthwhile with his life. Quarry felt that Boxing worked for very few individuals who got into it for a living. That Boxing hurt most of the athletes who took it up and he delivered some of that hurt himself. By the time he realized the business wasn't meant for him, he was in his mid 20's and Boxing was all he knew. He said even at that late date he should have made a change -- renounced Boxing, and gone to school to be an engineer or businessman... He said at a certain point Boxing takes things from you -- so that many opportunities are no longer practical.
Even some successful 30's fighters weren't that big on Boxing.
Max Baer was another boxer who believed he was meant to be "anything other than a fighter." His son Max wanted the old champ to teach him how to box. "I'm a big strong guy like you dad. I'd be good." The old swinger took his son out into the back yard.. He put the gloves on his kid. Pulled on a pair of boxing gloves himself and said, "We'll trade a few shots. This is going to be your first lesson." ... The older Max moved around easily, doing a little shoe shine with his feet to amuse his kid.. Young Max laughed.. Abruptly Baer Sr came in and nailed his kid with a terrific left hook to the jaw and a savage overhand right to the head, knocking young Max flat on his back with an aching, throbbing jaw.. "If you want to get hit in the head like that for the rest of your life son, just get involved with the wonderful sport of Boxing." ... Max Baer Jr started thinking about an acting career.
Ali said he would fight the winner of Amos Johnson-Henry Cooper... but he fought the loser instead -- not that Johnson was any good -- but he was a big threat to Ali because had a very slick little left hook, which ran a number on Ali in the Pan-Am trials and floored George Chuvalo for his only trip to the canvas, in a sparring session where he was working as a paid sparring partner.. Johnson said because of that decking Chuvalo gave him his walking papers..
I guess you missed some previous posts... Try to be informed if you can.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 18 Jun 2017, 14:51
by Keko
Quarry
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 22:22
by ronnyrains
Jerry would stop Chuvalo in 1970, had a better resume, beat 8 ranked bover's to Chuvalo's 5, both in Ring Ratings top ten 87 months, Jerry # 1, Chuvalo # 3.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 23 Jun 2017, 14:41
by Kalan
Quarry has the much better resume -- but It didn't matter when they fought...
Chuvalo beat Quarry by absorbing everything he threw, and then taking over with a body attack and just being the stronger and tougher man. If you're a better boxer, at some point it doesn't matter if a bigger, stronger, and tougher opponent outlasts you -- and tears into you when you run outta gas.. It's the old Joey Maxim vs Ray Robinson story.. The only way you can combat it is by being in much better condition and getting yourself bigger and stronger helps.
Examples of little man beats big man: Roy Jones vs John Ruiz... Roberto Duran vs Iran Barkley... Harry Greb vs Bill Brennan... It generally happens when an ATG little guy beats an inept big guy... Jimmy Ellis beat Chuvalo something along those lines... He wasn't super great, but much better than Chuvalo
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 23 Jun 2017, 19:23
by BoxBuzz
Kalan wrote:Quarry has the much better resume -- but It didn't matter when they fought...
Chuvalo beat Quarry by absorbing everything he threw, and then taking over with a body attack and just being the stronger and tougher man. If you're a better boxer, at some point it doesn't matter if a bigger, stronger, and tougher opponent outlasts you -- and tears into you when you run outta gas.. It's the old Joey Maxim vs Ray Robinson story.. The only way you can combat it is by being in much better condition and getting yourself bigger and stronger helps.
Examples of little man beats big man: Roy Jones vs John Ruiz... Roberto Duran vs Iran Barkley... Harry Greb vs Bill Brennan... It generally happens when an ATG little guy beats an inept big guy... Jimmy Ellis beat Chuvalo something along those lines... He wasn't super great, but much better than Chuvalo
Quit scoring flukes as if they are anything but what they are. Statistical anomalies. And they happen rather routinely in sports. So on any given night between skillsets of teams, or single sports, anything can happen, and often does. However there is the "most likely" outcome. Which does not happen every time.
stat anomalies E.G. ....Quarry not paying attention to the count. Or the ref stepping in to save Chavez vs Taylor, or the judges decisions in the Chavez vs Whitaker fight. You really can't count those as genuine outcomes. Though they are a part of the "official record".
Now get a shoe shine, use your verbs wisely, enjoy a coke, and straighten up and fly right.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 23 Jun 2017, 22:15
by Kalan
BoxBuzz wrote:Kalan wrote:Quarry has the much better resume -- but It didn't matter when they fought...
Chuvalo beat Quarry by absorbing everything he threw, and then taking over with a body attack and just being the stronger and tougher man. If you're a better boxer, at some point it doesn't matter if a bigger, stronger, and tougher opponent outlasts you -- and tears into you when you run outta gas.. It's the old Joey Maxim vs Ray Robinson story.. The only way you can combat it is by being in much better condition and getting yourself bigger and stronger helps.
Examples of little man beats big man: Roy Jones vs John Ruiz... Roberto Duran vs Iran Barkley... Harry Greb vs Bill Brennan... It generally happens when an ATG little guy beats an inept big guy... Jimmy Ellis beat Chuvalo something along those lines... He wasn't super great, but much better than Chuvalo
Quit scoring flukes as if they are anything but what they are. Statistical anomalies. And they happen rather routinely in sports. So on any given night between skillsets of teams, or single sports, anything can happen, and often does. However there is the "most likely" outcome. Which does not happen every time.
stat anomalies E.G. ....Quarry not paying attention to the count. Or the ref stepping in to save Chavez vs Taylor, or the judges decisions in the Chavez vs Whitaker fight. You really can't count those as genuine outcomes. Though they are a part of the "official record".
Now get a shoe shine, use your verbs wisely, enjoy a coke, and straighten up and fly right.
You can close your shoe stand for the night -- I'm not buying your BS. Chuvalo was hurting Quarry to the body and GC went the distance twice with Ali -- so he could truck with Quarry who fell apart mentally versus Ali and didn't even try.. It was nothing more than Jerry becoming mentally unglued again -- as might be expected against tough guys who don't give.
Chavez had Taylor beat.. MT should not have been allowed to come out for the 12th.. I had Chavez winning on more effective (but less numerous) punching and Meldrick was gone from what I could see.. As for Whitaker, who beat Chavez about every round -- Don King judges didn't just try to rob you -- they robbed your ass blind.
They would tell receptive judges, "We don't want to cause a scandal. If we get our ass kicked royally don't give us the fight because we might all go to jail -- but close rounds are a matter of opinion as everyone knows. Every close fight is disputed and controversial. If a round is close or could be scored either way??? We figure we deserve that round as much as anybody. Anyway, if we figure you treated us fairly this is what it's potentially worth to us."
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 13:25
by BoxBuzz
Fair enough......
Where do you get your "inside info" is it an educated guess? Or do you actually know some of these things that you share?
And if so....you may want to keep on the QT.....as "interested parties" could come visitin'. Although at this late stage, maybe no one has the interest is dealing out warnings, or issuing ultimatums.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 15:20
by Kalan
This is the way I've always heard they fix judges, or increase their odds... They don't tell judges implicitly to score the rounds for their guy -- they suggest that the close rounds can go either way and they deserve them as much as anyone... and there's a lot more moolah where that came from if they're "treated fairly."
They're so appreciative.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 16:35
by BoxBuzz
On further thought......
Quarry IS Chuvalo's resume. And it was an accident.
There really is no comparison.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 18:57
by Kalan
No no no no no no BuzzBox... Quarry is not Chuvalo's resume -- because that disrespects Ali, who Chuvalo fought much better than Quarry did.
It also disrespects a lot of fighters who Chuvalo beat: Cleveland Williams... Manuel Ramos... Joe Bygraves... Mike DeJohn... Yvon Durelle... Bob Cleroux... Doug Jones... Dick Wipperman... Mel Turnbow... Alex Meteff... and dare I say Jerry Quarry.
Probably the best boxer Chuvalo ever beat was Doug Jones... He was a Light Heavyweight, but scored wins over Zora Folley, Bob Foster, Bobo Olsen, Boone Kirkman, Tom McNeeley, and Peter Rademaker... So I guess with your mindset his resume IS Zora Folley and Bob Foster cuz no one else is worth mentioning.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 30 Jun 2017, 23:48
by BoxBuzz
Chuvalo didn't FIGHT Ali "better" George was just remarkable at absorbing punishment.
Chuvalo was nothing if not a granite chinned sponge for punishment.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 02 Jul 2017, 21:11
by Kalan
He didn't sponge them up versus Frazier and Foreman... And I suspect Jack Dempsey would have clubbed him through the canvas.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 20:08
by Nile4000
Quarry, by a couple of names.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 09 Jan 2019, 23:17
by DrDuke
Undoubtedly Quarry. However, Chuvalo won him and fought better against Ali.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 11:38
by Ambling Alp II
Agreed. Quurry looked OK in the first Ali fight (against an opbviously rustyALI) but couldn't get past the third round. He lost every round in their second fight before getting stopped in the 7th. Chuvalo lost decisevley to Ali both times but did better than Quurry.
They had several other common opponents:
Patterson: Quarry looked slightly better.
Frazier -Quarry looked a little better.
Ellis- Quarry was a little better.
Mathis-Quarry was decisively better.
Chuvalo did win the head to head matchup, which has to count in Chuvalo's favor as well.
So far, that is pretty close. however Quarry best wins were a lot better than Chuvalos. Quarry has wins over Shavers and Lyle. Chuvalo best were probably Bob Clerouz (who he also lost to), DeJohn, and Doug Jones. That's a decisive edge for Quarry.
Quarry also did not have the losses that Chuvalo had in fights you would expect him to win: Chuvalo lost to Corelleti, and Pete Rademacher.
It's not a slam dunk, but Quarry was better.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 06:00
by scorpio83
That's a good debate of who have a greater resume between Quarry and Chuvalo.
Re: Who has the better resume? Jerry Quarry or George Chuvalo
Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 11:53
by Duran1970
One must remember chuvalo was avoided...not too many top guys wanted to fight George..also had shit management most of his career...based in another country with little connections to the major players in the game..to get top fights had to take bottom money.