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So, now all judges can just ask fergusg if a fighter looks beaten to him and stop a fight depending on his answer.

If a point had been taken from Ward before he landed that right hand and Kovalev was given a couple minutes to recover, the fight could have gone any direction. I think Ward would still win, but we will never know.

boxing_rocks wrote:So, now all judges can just ask fergusg if a fighter looks beaten to him and stop a fight depending on his answer.

If a point had been taken from Ward before he landed that right hand and Kovalev was given a couple minutes to recover, the fight could have gone any direction. I think Ward would still win, but we will never know.

I am not alone in holding my opinion. I can quote several highly-reputable boxing analysts/former fighters that have made precisely the same claim that I have done.

The rest of your comments in this post about me is complete utter böllócks!

boxing_rocks wrote:So, now all judges can just ask fergusg if a fighter looks beaten to him and stop a fight depending on his answer.

If a point had been taken from Ward before he landed that right hand and Kovalev was given a couple minutes to recover, the fight could have gone any direction. I think Ward would still win, but we will never know.

I am completely pissed that the ref robbed us of the completion of the beatdown SOGgy was administering.

Enlightened-One wrote:Sergey Kovalev was already a beaten fighter at the precise moment that Tony Weeks’ controversially stopped the bout, which makes me feel that Andre Ward was deprived an opportunity to score an emphatic stoppage.

There’s no commercial or sporting reason for Andre Ward to share the ring with Sergey Kovalev again.

Good points. That's exactly what Paulie Malignaggi said (on the Sky TV livestream) about Ward being denied a legit stoppage, which probably would have come in the 9th, or at the latest in the 10th.

i watched the fight again and it was very much a continuation from the end of fight 1 with ward having kind of figured out kovalev and kov unable to land hard. it still was close, though kov was looking scrappy. and ward likes that type of fight.
then there were the low blows. a warning in round 2. borderline low blows in 7. a low blow followed by 2 belt shots to badly hurt kov in 8 to set up the straight right. and just to put the icing on the cake some very low blows right in front of the ref to end the fight.

so what can we say about all this?

certainly kovalev didnt get a fair shake. atrocious, probably corrupt refereeing.

also ward was showing increasingly that he had kovalev figured out.

Covfefe wrote:

Jip wrote:Kovalev won 2 fights is clearl the better. I just never want to see andre son of golota and corrupt paid out weeks ever again.

What rubbish. Ward was doing a number on Kovalev last night. He was fighting a beautiful fight and was going to stop him anyway. I'm annoyed there is any controversy as it just detracts from how good Ward was. He was taking away Kov's best weapons as the fight went on and breaking him down with body work and on the inside. It was one of the performances of the year, and probably the best of Ward's career.

You're full of rubbish... Kovalev was doing a better job of boxing -- out-scoring Ward with power punches and landing sharper jabs... He was up 5 rounds to 2... Ward won by using dirty fouling tactics and low blows... As all competitive sports do, Boxing has rules... The rules were not enforced.

Ward wins again

Ward should use Kovalev as a warm-up fight at 200.

boxing_rocks wrote:Ward should use Kovalev as a warm-up fight at 200.

Why? He just fought him twice for f*cks sake. He's warmed up.

Go, S.O.J. !

Kalan wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

Jip wrote:Kovalev won 2 fights is clearl the better. I just never want to see andre son of golota and corrupt paid out weeks ever again.

What rubbish. Ward was doing a number on Kovalev last night. He was fighting a beautiful fight and was going to stop him anyway. I'm annoyed there is any controversy as it just detracts from how good Ward was. He was taking away Kov's best weapons as the fight went on and breaking him down with body work and on the inside. It was one of the performances of the year, and probably the best of Ward's career.

You're full of rubbish... Kovalev was doing a better job of boxing -- out-scoring Ward with power punches and landing sharper jabs... He was up 5 rounds to 2... Ward won by using dirty fouling tactics and low blows... As all competitive sports do, Boxing has rules... The rules were not enforced.

He was beating him up. He made Kovalev turn away from him in the previous round looking for help and those blows weren't low.

I think they should stop for now. Let someone else try their hand. Bivol, Gvozdyk, and Beterbiev deserve a chance at the title (Bivol after 2-3 more fights). Kovalev sounds like he's no longer in the game mentally from what has been published. I don't think we'll ever see him back in top form. His former strength and conditioning coach said Kovalev was lazy preparing for both fights, and he was fighting Jackson the entire time because he wanted to do everything his way.

It's obvious, Kovalev is the best, but with the right ref, even I can beat him.

Would have been nice if Kovalev had been a huge star and massive draw in Russia/Europe, so he had the clout to get Ward over there. We would have seen Kovalev get the victory he deserved, be the rightful 175 champ still and maybe just leaving it at that. Silly old Andre Bored could have been left to fouling his way to glory as just a contender.

Although if that had been the case Ward would never have travelled.

asdfjkl wrote:It's obvious, Kovalev is the best, but with the right ref, even I can beat him.

obvious to a blind man yes !! He didn't look like the best sat on the ropes feeling sorry for himself did he ? Don't forget we have a higher bar set for those folk that we call professional boxers, and especially those that claim to be the best, we see boxers every week getting fouled to various degrees and do you know what the very best do when in that situation ? that's right they suck it up, get their game face on and power through. "But its against the rules" I hear you cry, well its a real time fight mate and things get missed in the chaos of it all, and besides in a sport as tough as boxing you do what you can get away with and will take the win anyway it comes, it seems that in the modern game the boxers are still as tough as ever but its the fans that have turned into whinging little pussy fanboys hiding behind their keyboards and with no real perspective of what it takes to be a pro fighter.

Krushedner acted like a sissy. He turned his back two or three times and would have run down the aisle to get away if there weren't ropes. He faked injury repeatedly. Now, he is trying to steal the victory from SOGgy like a whining pussy.

Krushedner landed BY FAR the most egregious low blow of the fight in the eighth, not long before Weeks bailed the whining thespian out of a comprehensive beatdown.

What a bunch of crybabies.

ValMar wrote:No, thank you.

I agree, both fights were sh1t. Ward had Kovalevs number.

Loki wrote:

ValMar wrote:No, thank you.

I agree, both fights were sh1t. Ward had Kovalevs number.

He's arguably 1-1 with Kovalev, and I enjoyed both fights. Both were a high-level chess match, and both were looking to be close fights. Still, I think Kovalev has a lot of rebuilding ahead of him, and I have strong doubts he'll be back in any form, so I agree with your first sentence.

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:It's obvious, Kovalev is the best, but with the right ref, even I can beat him.

obvious to a blind man yes !! He didn't look like the best sat on the ropes feeling sorry for himself did he ? Don't forget we have a higher bar set for those folk that we call professional boxers, and especially those that claim to be the best, we see boxers every week getting fouled to various degrees and do you know what the very best do when in that situation ? that's right they suck it up, get their game face on and power through. "But its against the rules" I hear you cry, well its a real time fight mate and things get missed in the chaos of it all, and besides in a sport as tough as boxing you do what you can get away with and will take the win anyway it comes, it seems that in the modern game the boxers are still as tough as ever but its the fans that have turned into whinging little pussy fanboys hiding behind their keyboards and with no real perspective of what it takes to be a pro fighter.

Kovalev was clearly the better men in the first fight, all facts proof it and Kovalev clearly was the best in the second fight untill Ward managed to hit his dick hard early in the latest round while the ref didn't protect him. When Ward after two minits managed to hit him again while he was still in pain from the first hit in his balls, the ref still didn't defend him! Then all of a sudden the ref actually did something, he didn't give him a 10count or anything, no he just blew the match off straight away!? And then after the match he says ooops sorry mate, I saw it wrong, too bad in his twitter.

That's ridiculous, especially it the guy isn't injured in any way except for the hits in his balls and very especially since Kovalev was like 5-2 or so ahead in rounds! The domination of Kovalev over Ward was even more clear this time!

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:It's obvious, Kovalev is the best, but with the right ref, even I can beat him.

obvious to a blind man yes !! He didn't look like the best sat on the ropes feeling sorry for himself did he ? Don't forget we have a higher bar set for those folk that we call professional boxers, and especially those that claim to be the best, we see boxers every week getting fouled to various degrees and do you know what the very best do when in that situation ? that's right they suck it up, get their game face on and power through. "But its against the rules" I hear you cry, well its a real time fight mate and things get missed in the chaos of it all, and besides in a sport as tough as boxing you do what you can get away with and will take the win anyway it comes, it seems that in the modern game the boxers are still as tough as ever but its the fans that have turned into whinging little pussy fanboys hiding behind their keyboards and with no real perspective of what it takes to be a pro fighter.

Kovalev was clearly the better men in the first fight, all facts proof it and Kovalev clearly was the best in the second fight untill Ward managed to hit his dick hard early in the latest round while the ref didn't protect him. When Ward after two minits managed to hit him again while he was still in pain from the first hit in his balls, the ref still didn't defend him! Then all of a sudden the ref actually did something, he didn't give him a 10count or anything, no he just blew the match off straight away!? And then after the match he says ooops sorry mate, I saw it wrong, too bad in his twitter.

That's ridiculous, especially it the guy isn't injured in any way except for the hits in his balls and very especially since Kovalev was like 5-2 or so ahead in rounds! The domination of Kovalev over Ward was even more clear this time!

We read fights differently, smart fighters get the win, and ward is smarter than kov, ward knows when to make the fight winning adjustments whatever they need to be and as ugly as needed, kov and fighters like him struggle when their bully mentality is tested because they have no B plan

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote: obvious to a blind man yes !! He didn't look like the best sat on the ropes feeling sorry for himself did he ? Don't forget we have a higher bar set for those folk that we call professional boxers, and especially those that claim to be the best, we see boxers every week getting fouled to various degrees and do you know what the very best do when in that situation ? that's right they suck it up, get their game face on and power through. "But its against the rules" I hear you cry, well its a real time fight mate and things get missed in the chaos of it all, and besides in a sport as tough as boxing you do what you can get away with and will take the win anyway it comes, it seems that in the modern game the boxers are still as tough as ever but its the fans that have turned into whinging little pussy fanboys hiding behind their keyboards and with no real perspective of what it takes to be a pro fighter.

Kovalev was clearly the better men in the first fight, all facts proof it and Kovalev clearly was the best in the second fight untill Ward managed to hit his dick hard early in the latest round while the ref didn't protect him. When Ward after two minits managed to hit him again while he was still in pain from the first hit in his balls, the ref still didn't defend him! Then all of a sudden the ref actually did something, he didn't give him a 10count or anything, no he just blew the match off straight away!? And then after the match he says ooops sorry mate, I saw it wrong, too bad in his twitter.

That's ridiculous, especially it the guy isn't injured in any way except for the hits in his balls and very especially since Kovalev was like 5-2 or so ahead in rounds! The domination of Kovalev over Ward was even more clear this time!

We read fights differently, smart fighters get the win, and ward is smarter than kov, ward knows when to make the fight winning adjustments whatever they need to be and as ugly as needed, kov and fighters like him struggle when their bully mentality is tested because they have no B plan

Sorry, but if I kick Ward in his balls he would probably get on the ground as well, if the ref then flags the fight of as soon as Ward hits the ground and makes me a winner you call me the better boxer and me being smart? For me that's ridiculous, but I guess you're an American, they often got different opinions compared to the rest of the world.

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Kovalev was clearly the better men in the first fight, all facts proof it and Kovalev clearly was the best in the second fight untill Ward managed to hit his dick hard early in the latest round while the ref didn't protect him. When Ward after two minits managed to hit him again while he was still in pain from the first hit in his balls, the ref still didn't defend him! Then all of a sudden the ref actually did something, he didn't give him a 10count or anything, no he just blew the match off straight away!? And then after the match he says ooops sorry mate, I saw it wrong, too bad in his twitter.

That's ridiculous, especially it the guy isn't injured in any way except for the hits in his balls and very especially since Kovalev was like 5-2 or so ahead in rounds! The domination of Kovalev over Ward was even more clear this time!

We read fights differently, smart fighters get the win, and ward is smarter than kov, ward knows when to make the fight winning adjustments whatever they need to be and as ugly as needed, kov and fighters like him struggle when their bully mentality is tested because they have no B plan

Sorry, but if I kick Ward in his balls he would probably get on the ground as well, if the ref then flags the fight of as soon as Ward hits the ground and makes me a winner you call me the better boxer and me being smart? For me that's ridiculous, but I guess you're an American, they often got different opinions compared to the rest of the world.

Krushedner landed the most egregious fouls of the fight. SOGgy walked through it and made him look everywhere for a way out. Week's gave it to him, unfortunately.

Let's do it again so SOGgy can finish the beatdown.

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Kovalev was clearly the better men in the first fight, all facts proof it and Kovalev clearly was the best in the second fight untill Ward managed to hit his dick hard early in the latest round while the ref didn't protect him. When Ward after two minits managed to hit him again while he was still in pain from the first hit in his balls, the ref still didn't defend him! Then all of a sudden the ref actually did something, he didn't give him a 10count or anything, no he just blew the match off straight away!? And then after the match he says ooops sorry mate, I saw it wrong, too bad in his twitter.

That's ridiculous, especially it the guy isn't injured in any way except for the hits in his balls and very especially since Kovalev was like 5-2 or so ahead in rounds! The domination of Kovalev over Ward was even more clear this time!

We read fights differently, smart fighters get the win, and ward is smarter than kov, ward knows when to make the fight winning adjustments whatever they need to be and as ugly as needed, kov and fighters like him struggle when their bully mentality is tested because they have no B plan

Sorry, but if I kick Ward in his balls he would probably get on the ground as well, if the ref then flags the fight of as soon as Ward hits the ground and makes me a winner you call me the better boxer and me being smart? For me that's ridiculous, but I guess you're an American, they often got different opinions compared to the rest of the world.

nah im from uk, and theres a difference between breaking the rules and operating just outside them, its a working class sport mate, a sport that is as horrible and as beautiful and as frustrating and unjust as real life, suck it up and deal with it mate cos its not gonna change for you or me

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote: We read fights differently, smart fighters get the win, and ward is smarter than kov, ward knows when to make the fight winning adjustments whatever they need to be and as ugly as needed, kov and fighters like him struggle when their bully mentality is tested because they have no B plan

Sorry, but if I kick Ward in his balls he would probably get on the ground as well, if the ref then flags the fight of as soon as Ward hits the ground and makes me a winner you call me the better boxer and me being smart? For me that's ridiculous, but I guess you're an American, they often got different opinions compared to the rest of the world.

nah im from uk, and theres a difference between breaking the rules and operating just outside them, its a working class sport mate, a sport that is as horrible and as beautiful and as frustrating and unjust as real life, suck it up and deal with it mate cos its not gonna change for you or me

I do suck it up, even stronger, I think I would feel embarrassed if I was Ward, knowing it was a massive setup and still lose all those rounds, how shamefull is that?! Lol

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Sorry, but if I kick Ward in his balls he would probably get on the ground as well, if the ref then flags the fight of as soon as Ward hits the ground and makes me a winner you call me the better boxer and me being smart? For me that's ridiculous, but I guess you're an American, they often got different opinions compared to the rest of the world.

nah im from uk, and theres a difference between breaking the rules and operating just outside them, its a working class sport mate, a sport that is as horrible and as beautiful and as frustrating and unjust as real life, suck it up and deal with it mate cos its not gonna change for you or me

I do suck it up, even stronger, I think I would feel embarrassed if I was Ward, knowing it was a massive setup and still lose all those rounds, how shamefull is that?! Lol

set up ? it isn't pulp fiction mate !