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interesting fight.

Miller is slow to start. Could go the distance

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

ValMar wrote:

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

Just above avarage where I live, 6ft1 is avarage, but for a heavyweight...

asdfjkl wrote:

ValMar wrote:

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

Just above avarage where I live, 6ft1 is avarage, but for a heavyweight...

Aren't you from Denmark?
Average male height is 5'11.5" in Denmark.
6'4" is tall for any country..... But you are always loose with facts...
Oh and I almost forgot you're an asshole too

Of course 6'4" is tall compared to the average person, but we're talking about a guy who weighs like 300 pounds. If he were 7'0", then maybe that would be a fighting fit weight.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

ValMar wrote:
"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

Just above avarage where I live, 6ft1 is avarage, but for a heavyweight...

Aren't you from Denmark?
Average male height is 5'11.5" in Denmark.
6'4" is tall for any country..... But you are always loose with facts...
Oh and I almost forgot you're an asshole too

No, I'm not from Denmark, but you aways loose with facts, so no surprise there asshole.

6'4'' is quite enough for HW boxers. I would tell that this is an optimal height for this weight division.

The perfect height is about twice as big as your opponent, so he can't really hit you, while you can easely hit him.
Somehow the human body ain't build for such heights, when you're very tall, it's very hard to still be strong, or fast.
Also, it's very helpfull to have long arms and legs and a relatively short hull.

Height helps a lot, but if you look at the heavyweights, it's not remarkeble in my opinion that the "short" top heavyweights are usually aged 20-33 and the tall top heavyweights are usually aged 30-45. The youngest champion of the world in the heavyweights was Mike Tyson who's not even 6ft.
The oldest is George Foreman, who's 6ft3,5 (which was quite big at the time). I notice that the top heavyweights are a lot older on avarage as all the other weightclasses.

ValMar wrote:

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

Yes I know that 6'4" is tall, but taking his height into consideration he has no right to be 300lbs. It's not as if he's Julius Long...

ValMar wrote:

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

He's a 6' 4" boxer. Successful heavyweight boxers of similar height like Pulev, Povetkin, Parker, Ortiz, and Haye weigh 255, 228, 245, 241, and 224. So an appropriate weight for Miller would be about 239. He weighed 59 pounds over that amount in his last fight. Miller has also never fought anyone good, nor has he ever completed 7 full rounds. So my point is, with his excessive weight as well as his inexperience, if he ever fought a good opponent, he risks getting pulled into deep water and drowned via fatigue. Miller really needs to be dropping 9-12 pounds between each fight until he gets down to 250. The history and present of boxing are not decorated with successful heavyweights who have a bmi of 36.3. Even Shannon Briggs, Anthony Joshua, and Gerald Washington only have a bmi of about 30.4, 28.9, and 27.6; and they are some of the bulkiest, muscular heavyweights that you'll find. Someone said Bermane Stiverne nearly died of dehydration against Wilder, and Stiverne has 59 pounds less blubber keeping him warm than Miller does. Even Tyson Fury, the ultra tall fatass, only weighed 247 in his most recent fight, which also happened to be his greatest win. Miller is clocking-in at 51 pounds heavier than Fury, who is 5 inches taller and fat.

Well, the only guy who knocked Wilder down had a weight of 398 pounds, so what's the perfect weight? It really matters what your style is, if you're a rambo, a massive pile of fat might work in your advantage in a short bout. Just take a look at Billy Wright, who at some point was probably better as Deontay Wilder about 3 years ago.

asdfjkl wrote:Well, the only guy who knocked Wilder down had a weight of 398 pounds, so what's the perfect weight?

No.

Did you think you were using good logic? A logical approach to determining the ideal weight for a fighter of a given height would be to find the weight that best correlates with success taking in all available information. You can't determine the ideal weight based on the fact that one guy slipped while fighting one other guy on one particular night.

Just seen the open sparring photos of these guys and they both look in tip top shape.
While I'm not that excited about this fight, part of me wants to see how Miller deals with Washington or if he can, then it gives me an idea about Wilder who was losing rounds to Washington.
So I'm glad they both appear to have trained well.
All in all the fight card is pretty decent, if you excuse the hobette* Katie Taylor is up against.

* female hobo

Miller, although I have not seen him fight yet, should be agile enough despite his size being a former kickboxer. His view of big punching heavyweights is a little off though: (quoted August of last year)

“Anthony Joshua is a punk. Deontay Wilder, don’t get me started. Now, Tyson Fury can actually punch. I’ll give him that. From all of them, Fury in my opinion is the better one. That’s why I want to fight him. I believe you should go for the hardest ones first. You take the biggest guy out first and then, you go for the easy ones. That’s how it’s supposed to be and that’s what I’d like to do. Take the hard ones out first. Fury, you are next.”

ValMar wrote:

chinarich wrote:Miller is supposed to be a professional athlete, he's only 6'4" and for him to be coming into a lot of fights north of 20 stone is an absolute disgrace. Too many heavyweights take the name of the division as a challenge...

"he's only 6'4'' " ??
I was born and live in the region abundant of very tall and naturally big people, and believe me - 6'4'' is pretty tall guy.

It's tall but not for someone nearly 300ibs. 6'4" and 296Ibs puts his BMI at 36, in the severly obese category.

I'm sure he carries more mucle than the average person, but not that much more.

miller 298 3/4 washington 248

Miller is at the highest weight of his career. Yikes

How much does Miller eat to gain weight like this despite training as a pro boxer?

miller 2.35-1 over washington thegreek

crusader wrote:How much does Miller eat to gain weight like this despite training as a pro boxer?

All the food.

In seriousness for someone with a big appitite, especially eating calorie dense food, it's easy to out eat any exercise.

The quite longterm champion of the world in kickboxing also weights 270 pound and doesn't look fat at all.

Washington is pretty good yard stick for up and coming boxers. If Miller can beat him without too much trouble that puts him somewhere between 15-20 at heavy. I have not seen him before so this will be interesting. If he looses then there will be no need to track him after this one.

I think that we will know much more about Miller tomorrow. Is he a real deal or only a hype product ? I prefer the first option, HW boxing need a big and strong American fighter.

ValMar wrote:I think that we will know much more about Miller tomorrow. Is he a real deal or only a hype product ? I prefer the first option, HW boxing need a big and strong American fighter.

He's not the real deal, I've seen him in kickboxing, he lost twice against Mirko Filipović lol.
But still, you don't really have to be a somebody in boxing nowadays, with a bit of luck, or a lot of politics, it's easy to avoid the best boxers on the planet, who simply will never get the possibility to become a champion.
Do you think Wilder would ever fight Ortiz? Ofcourse not lol, perhaps if Ortiz is over a 100 year old, but that's really it. Ortiz will only get abused by silly guys, who act like they want to fight him, but in the end guys like Wilder will just fight another bum like Stiverne for example.

dickbelden wrote:miller 298 3/4 washington 248

He's nearly 22 stone on the night - that can't be good if it goes by 6 ?