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Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Vitali for me, Lennox would lose against all of them 75+% of the time.

Wtf

He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Vitali for me, Lennox would lose against all of them 75+% of the time.

Wtf

He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

IronFrost wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Wtf

He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

He can't be that bad considering how much more impressive his career has been than Vitali's.

BitPlayer wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

He can't be that bad considering how much more impressive his career has been than Vitali's.

Styles.

Wlad better boxer, but not as durable if he couldn't control you, the distance etc.

IronFrost wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Wtf

He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

Wlad is better than Vitali imo, he'd have a punchers chance against Lennox where his much lighter punching big bro got his ass whooped. So i'm not sure why you'd bring that up. Vitali had a better chin, that's it. However you rate them in fantasy fights, Wlad is much more accomplished.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

IronFrost wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's an idiot, I'd be concerned if he posted something that made sense.

Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

Wlad is better than Vitali imo, he'd have a punchers chance against Lennox where his much lighter punching big bro got his ass whooped. So i'm not sure why you'd bring that up. Vitali had a better chin, that's it. However you rate them in fantasy fights, Wlad is much more accomplished.

Vitali would beat Wladimir. Also Vitali stands much better chance against any greatest of all time HW boxers. Wladimir would not have chin against someone like Bowe , Tyson , Foreman

Joshua and Fury doesn't deserve to be in this list, yet.

Nevermind;

Fury: Well, Fury..No athleticism. No power. Weak chin. Decent-good technique for his height and size. Awkard. And lunatic. I like him :)

Joshua: Worst stamina in this bunch. Weak, moderate chin at best(2-2,5/5). Vast muscularity due to exercise and maybe roids(no offense) but not naturally athletic, narrow sholduered guy. He did not beat the 41 year old Wlad. Instead, Wlad lost it due to cowardliness and age. Power? Yes. But not able to "KO" even a chinny Wlad. Even with clean punches..For me, his chin is on par with Wlad. İf they were to meet, ibeabuchi would've murdered this guy. He will never get through anybody with concrete chin and only decent power&technique combined.

Lewis: Never liked him. But he nearly had it all, with a 3/5 chin.
Wladimir: Always liked him. But always a coward. His chin defined him and his career.

For me, Vitaly is the champion that never was. Only cuts and injuries beat him. His weakness is his resume. Not to be blamed for that, maybe Wlad is to blame.

Hypotetical runner up, but literally the most most acommplished and deserving one: Lewis.

vostok wrote:Joshua and Fury doesn't deserve to be in this list, yet.

Nevermind;

Fury: Well, Fury..No athleticism. No power. Weak chin. Decent technique for his height and size. Awkard. And lunatic. I like him :)

Joshua: Worst stamina in this bunch. Weak, moderate chin at best(2-2,5/5). Vast muscularity due to exercise and maybe roids(no offense) but not naturally athletic, narrow sholduered guy. He did not beat the 41 year old Wlad. Instead, Wlad lost it due to cowardliness and age. Power? Yes. But not able to "KO" even a chinny Wlad. Even with clean punches..For me, his chin is on par with Wlad. İf they were to meet, ibeabuchi would've murdered this guy. He will never get through anybody with concrete chin and only decent power&technique combined.

Lewis: Never liked him. But he nearly had it all, with a 3/5 chin.
Wladimir: Always liked him. But always a coward. His chin defined him and his career.

For me, Vitaly is the champion that never was. Only cuts and injuries beat him. His weakness is his resume. Not to be blamed for that, maybe Wlad is to blame.

Hypotetical runner up, but literally the most most acommplished and deserving one: Lewis.

How is Vitali not responsible for his weak resume? There were better guys for him to fight during his active years. He just didn't fight 'em.

IronFrost wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

IronFrost wrote:
Wladimir would get murdered by Lennox. If prime motivated Vitali struggled against past prime Lewis (in his worst shape ever) - and let's be honest .. Wladimir is much worse and softer than his brother

Wlad is better than Vitali imo, he'd have a punchers chance against Lennox where his much lighter punching big bro got his ass whooped. So i'm not sure why you'd bring that up. Vitali had a better chin, that's it. However you rate them in fantasy fights, Wlad is much more accomplished.

Vitali would beat Wladimir. Also Vitali stands much better chance against any greatest of all time HW boxers. Wladimir would not have chin against someone like Bowe , Tyson , Foreman

More opinions, the facts are wlad had the.better career. As for vitali having a better chance against all varieties of styles, strongly disagree. His chin serves better against punchers but wlads far superior offense serves better against boxers. Wlad is also a much bigger puncher, that factors in too.

..Joshua and Fury should not be the part of this discussion, ...Vitali being a more durable and tougher boxer than Wlad, Wlad has achieved a LOT more than his brother..between Lennox and Wlad, I'll go with Lennox as a more versatile and skilled fighter...

greg wrote:..Joshua and Fury should not be the part of this discussion, ...Vitali being a more durable and tougher boxer than Wlad, Wlad has achieved a LOT more than his brother..between Lennox and Wlad, I'll go with Lennox as a more versatile and skilled fighter...

They belong as much as vitali for beating wlad. Vitalis resume is pretty pathetic for any historical conversation. I wouldn't rate him over Rahman.

How is Vitali not responsible for his weak resume? There were better guys for him to fight during his active years. He just didn't fight 'em.

Wlad fought them.

The priority was his(Wlad). Vitali voluntarily stayed behind him. He did not fihgt maybe, but did not duck anybody also. Or did he? (Correct me if I'm mistaken)
He left the first quota to Wlad. Stayed behind as the second pick. He openned his brothers path.. Cleaned up the leftovers. And sacricificed his career for that matter. Only Lewis was legitimate threat for him. Anybody else?
IMHO.

vostok wrote:

How is Vitali not responsible for his weak resume? There were better guys for him to fight during his active years. He just didn't fight 'em.

Wlad fought them.

The priority was his. Vitali voluntarily stayed behind him. He did not fihgt maybe, but did not duck anybody also. Or did he? (Correct me if I'm mistaken)
He left the first quota to Wlad. Stayed behind as the second pick. He openned his brothers path.. Cleaned up the leftovers. And sacricifice his career for that matter. Only Lewis was legitimate threat for him. Anybody else?
IMHO.

Look, I can forgive not fighting your brother but blaming your poor resume on deferring to your brother? Comeon, man!

Tanzio wrote:

vostok wrote:

How is Vitali not responsible for his weak resume? There were better guys for him to fight during his active years. He just didn't fight 'em.

Wlad fought them.

The priority was his. Vitali voluntarily stayed behind him. He did not fihgt maybe, but did not duck anybody also. Or did he? (Correct me if I'm mistaken)
He left the first quota to Wlad. Stayed behind as the second pick. He openned his brothers path.. Cleaned up the leftovers. And sacricifice his career for that matter. Only Lewis was legitimate threat for him. Anybody else?
IMHO.

Look, I can forgive not fighting your brother but blaming your poor resume on deferring to your brother? Comeon, man!

Maybe that is the key to this case? His brother jammed the main path. And the "main" fights. Vitali is the -head to toe- wrong guy for Wlad to face. Stylewise. Granite chin+decent power and height.

Did Vitali duck anybody on purpose? İf not, then, what was the matter with him? What was the case? Fear..? Not likely..

And suppose that Wladimir never existed. .What would it be like? Vitali's resume and career?

He wasn't eager to fight Rahman. Ducking doesn't really matter. You either did or didn't, vitali didn't do much of anything.

asdfjkl wrote:Vitali for me, Lennox would lose against all of them 75+% of the time.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He wasn't eager to fight Rahman. Ducking doesn't really matter. You either did or didn't, vitali didn't do much of anything.

Not doing much of anything part is true. Sad but true. :) That's why, he's the champion that never was.

But rahman? C'mon..And even so; since when, rahman is a career defining piece? Rahman doesn't even stand a puncher's chance against vitali..An ordinary obstacle for Vitali.

Vitali, given the chance, would've fared better than Wladimir ever does. Lewis match will always stand as a question mark. Winnng on cuts, while losing an all cards is not sufficient and satisfying enough for anybody. And even so, losing "one" match "due to cuts" against an "all time great" is not a shame, and does not define one's career.

This or that way vitali lost. The rules are the rules. That's a fact. Lewis is great and obvious winner of this poll, even wlad's reign was more dominant.. Another fact. Lewis ran away and retired. That's the final fact.

And I'd like to ask: What is the basics for a good resume? First comes the opportunities, and than the resume. Resumes built on "opportunities".

Vitali didn't do much of anything. He never could have.

He asked if vitali ever ducked anyone. I gave him an answer. Vitali never beat anyone with the credentials of Rahman. He chose Danny Williams, pulled out of a fight with haseem and retired.

Ducking: Avoiding a tough challenge..?

And I use the phrase ducking "on purpose"..
Rahman is not a tough challenge to begin with. Either way, this claim needs proof or whatsoever..

So, vitali was lying about his injuries by that time? Or overplaying?
Otherwise it is controversial to call this one "ducking"..

And correct me if I'm wrong; Williams fight was before(2004), after kicking tyson's ass and popular. Rahman fight was supposed to be in 2005. Vitali retired after that due to injury, instead of surgery option. Did not fight anybody afterwards. Which seems to be pretty consistent with his injury excuse. Period.

He retired for Crom's sake :)
So, maybe overcautious. But no ducking. Hence, doesn't affect the big picture.

Whatever..

I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis

Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.

Joshua has never been beaten... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten...


That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well -- and both could be out-worked.

Kalan wrote:I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis

Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.

Joshua has never been beaten... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten...


That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well and both could be out-worked.

I'll call you a cab

I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis

Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.

Joshua has never been beaten... He was always ahead on points after every fight so his punching power is a bonus... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight either, and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten and is a damned good boxer, even though he's a mental case.


That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well and both could be out-worked as Vitali and Fury proved.

Kalan wrote:I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis

Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.

Joshua has never been beaten... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten...


That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well -- and both could be out-worked.

Basing the ranking on to "has never been beaten" basis is a pretty suspect logic. Not seems to be sincere to say the least..

Joshua struggled against a medicore "nobody" Whyte... He didn't completely dominate a 41 year old Kilstchko...İnstead, that win was gift by wlad. He left his chin hanging out versus "nobody" Whyte and "41st" Wlad... and he may be losing on all scorecards against Wlad up till the (premature?) TKO. He was gassing all around, the worst I've seen so far. Man, he seemed like he was about give his last breath between the 6th and 9th rounds..He could barely move. All joshua needs is, somebody slightly better than Mercer. Maybe another Mccall..

Joshua has never been beaten...Never beaten by whom? Other than 41 year old "chin made for him Wlad", whom he even couldn't KO.. Joshua was knocked down and turned into a walking corpse for at least three rounds by a strong, but -not properly landing on the chin- punch .....Fury is another green subject.

vostok wrote:

Kalan wrote:I rank them 1. Joshua... 2. Vitali... 3. Fury... 4. Wladimir... 5. Lewis

Lennox Lewis struggled against Ray Mercer... He didn't completely dominate Evander Holyfield... He left his chin hanging out versus Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman... and he was losing on all scorecards against Vitali Klitschko.

Joshua has never been beaten... Vitali has never been behind on points after any fight and was never knocked down... Fury has never been beaten...


That leaves Wladimir and Lennox bringing up the rear... They didn't always defend that well -- and both could be out-worked.

Basing the ranking on to "has never been beaten" basis is a pretty suspect logic. Not seems to be sincere to say the least..

Joshua struggled against a medicore "nobody" Whyte... He didn't completely dominate a 41 year old Kilstchko...İnstead, that win was gift by wlad. He left his chin hanging out versus "nobody" Whyte and "41st" Wlad... and he may be losing on all scorecards against Wlad up till the (premature?) TKO. He was gassing all around, the worst I've seen so far. Man, he seemed like he was about give his last breath between the 6th and 9th rounds..He could barely move. All joshua needs is, somebody slightly better than Mercer. Maybe another Mccall..

Joshua has never been beaten...Never beaten by whom? Other than 41 year old "chin made for him Wlad", whom he even couldn't KO.. Joshua was knocked down and turned into a walking corpse for at least three rounds by a strong, but -not properly landing on the chin- punch .....Fury is another green subject.

You have no idea how stupid Kalan is. A great deal of his high ranking of Joshua probably has to do with how tall he is. They don't come any more stupid than Kalan. He believes Wilt Chamberlain could beat Muhammad Ali in a Boxing match. Don't waste your breath on this imbecile.

gilgamesh... You're the biggest idiot on the board... ever since you challenged me to pick the winners of your select fights -- and I picked them all correctly and you didn't..you've been an A-hole... The winners of fights aren't always the popular favorites... Chamberlain-Ali never took place because there is irrefutable prove that Ali refused to sign the contract... He didn't want to killed.

I had Joshua knocking Klitschko out and a lot of "experts" here picked the underdog because of his vast experience.. He got dumped 3 X and taken out.