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gilgamesh wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
What about The Easter Bunny vs The Incredible Hulk?

If the hulks not angry enough it's goes to points

Oh don't worry about that, when he can't find that last Easter Egg he's gonna hit the f*cking roof

Hulk TKO4 then

Ossyrules wrote:The basketball player gets beat by the boxer at boxing

What about shaq vs wlad

On a serious note.....DLH did a fine job against Shaq...........slightly less serious.......I suspect Wlad would win via impalement.

BoxBuzz wrote:A blatant attempt on behalf of one athlete to garner attention to increase his potential earnings by stirring up interest in something he actually had no interest in, and little likelihood of having any impact on. Crystal Clearly demonstrated by his TOTAL and COMPLETE unwillingness to ultimately even put his little toe in on a reality basis

You’re full of baloney again BuzzBox... You’re creating fanciful intentions of Chamberlain out of thin air.

Did signing 2 contracts that obliged Chamberlain to fight Ali put his little toe in???? It was Ali’s toes that refused to budge. Ali refused to sign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

And you're hung up on height again. Your brain needs an overhaul. Only 1 of 73 seven foot basketball players makes it to the NBA courts.. Even those that do make it are generally slow and uncoordinated compared to 6-footers.. Most often they’re relegated to shot blocking and rebounding and they aren’t all-around players like Wilt.. Height is one important asset. There are 30 other fistic assets and Chamberlain had all of them.

Ali enjoyed considerable Height, weight, and reach advantages over most of his opponents. That DIDN'T mean Ali was an automatic winner. Frazier and Spinks were small, short boxers who knocked the snot out of Ali. Like a lot of opponents, they found Ali very easy to hit.. Chamberlain's punches would be coming at very unfamiliar angles and rain down on Ali worse than Tommy Hearns raining down on Duran. There was NOBODY Ali could spar with who could prepare him for Chamberlain.

Ali lacked great endurance. He needed to lay on the ropes and rest a lot, subjecting himself to debilitating head shots... Chamberlain led the league in minutes played more times than any other player. He had endless endurance.

Ali also lacked punching power.. He couldn't get novice China-chin Leon Spinks out of there. All other top Heavyweights put Leon out. A great body puncher might have posed problems for Chamberlain. Ali lacked a body attack. Ali's greatest expertise was the jab and straight right. Good luck landing those shots on Chamberlain or defending same. Once Chamberlain mastered the stance, footwork, timing and mechanics of the jab and straight right – it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

That’s why Wilt signed TWO (2) negotiated contracts to fight Ali and Ali signed NONE! ... Ali didn’t want to get killed.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The basketball player gets beat by the boxer at boxing

What about shaq vs wlad

On a serious note.....DLH did a fine job against Shaq...........slightly less serious.......I suspect Wlad would win via impalement.

It was for charity.. Shaq trained for 2 weeks and was had 50 pounds of fat on him.. There was no money involved.. Shaq also promised not to punch hard and he got robbed off the decision. Watch the sparring session and you'll see that.. Any time Shaq wanted to jab Oscar he hit him very easily.. but he eased up when Oscar showed signs of distress.. Shaq was not Chamberlain.. He was just another 7 footer who happened to be an old man with debilitated knees.

Chamberlain wasn't matched with Wladimir... He was matched with Ali who couldn't punch a 3rd as hard... You're hung up on height again.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The basketball player gets beat by the boxer at boxing

What about shaq vs wlad

What about The Easter Bunny vs The Incredible Hulk?

What about Batman vs Superman??? ... Was that a REAL fight were a contract was negotiated and both boxers expected to sign it??? NOPE!!!

.....ok....I'll bite here......how do YOU KNOW this INSIDE INFO " Shaq also promised not to punch hard"??

Where in the world does that come from?

Here is a news account....

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Boxing: Shaq took on Oscar de la Hoya in a five-round sparring matchup. Rounds were a real + toughman mishmash of 4×2 mins, with a 1 min fifth and final round, and 90 second rest periods. Both fighters wore headgear.

Shaq had Freddie Roach in his corner; DLH had Bernard Hopkins. The referee was Richard Steele. The play-by-play announcing was done by UFC play-by-play announcer Mike Goldberg.

This was just one year after Ring magazine rated DLH the best pound for pound fighter in the world for two years running. Across a professional career spanning sixteen years, De La Hoya defeated 17 world champions, and won ten world titles, in six different weight classes (Super featherweight, Lightweight, Light welterweight, Welterweight. Light middleweight, Middleweight). That would make him at most 160 lbs, at 5′ 10″ tall.

By contrast, Shaq is 7′ 1″ and 335 lbs, a little over twice DLH’s size.

There have been suggestions that Shaq must have held back to avoid hurting DLH. Those remarks are entirely ignorant of reality. In reality, this was a sparring match, with DLH giving Shaq some work. De La Hoya was not trying to knock Shaq out. They way you can tell this is that Shaq was not knocked out.

By contrast, Shaq appeared to be trying his hardest, in a game he had very nearly zero experience in.


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Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The basketball player gets beat by the boxer at boxing

What about shaq vs wlad

What about The Easter Bunny vs The Incredible Hulk?

What about Batman vs Superman??? ... Was that a REAL fight were a contract was negotiated and both boxers expected to sign it??? NOPE!!!

I've seen batman vs superman and batman clearly won. What are you on about?

BoxBuzz wrote:.....ok....I'll bite here......how do YOU KNOW this INSIDE INFO " Shaq also promised not to punch hard"??

Where in the world does that come from?

Cuz that was an understanding... and if you don't believe it you can ask him.. It wasn't a serious fight.. It was for fun and charity.. It wasn't scripted but Shaq was a 350 pound guy... They asked him not to kill Oscar and just box nice -- and that's what he did... He also expected to get the decision cuz he deserved it.. But if the NBA Title and 15 million dollars were on the line Oscar wouldn't have done it because Shaq would have followed up on those jabs he landed

As John McClane (Bruce Willis) said in Die Hard 2, "How can the same sh!t happen to the same guy twice?"

This thread is going to be another 75 page Wilt Chamberlain dickathon; I can just see it.

Kalan, Nikolai Valuev is 7' tall with an 86" reach. How do you think Ali would have done against him?

SteveO wrote:Kalan, Nikolai Valuev is 7' tall with an 86" reach. How do you think Ali would have done against him?

Steve, please don't sir!

Ali vs Magnus Samuelson kalan

Tomasino wrote:

SteveO wrote:Kalan, Nikolai Valuev is 7' tall with an 86" reach. How do you think Ali would have done against him?

Steve, please don't sir!

I can't help it sometimes - it's fun.
Apart from Valuev, I could add 7' 1" Julius Long into the mix - he has a 90" reach.
I wonder if Ali would have struggled with these giant professional heavyweight boxers. What do you think Kalan.

These very long armed guys are invincible, always have been always will be.

No one has ever gotten inside of anyone's superior height and reach, and somehow miraculously used that very advantage against them.

However....I have a patented plan utilizing such a secret formula for success that I intend to copyright and sell to the "fire hydrants" of boxing.

You know, those shorter compact but powerful fellas who have yet to win a single fight for lack of understanding of this concept.

I'll make millions on my unique one of a kind idea....


uh...oops...damn....I think I just let the cat out of the bag.

I don't think Chamberlin could have beaten Stamford Harris.

Apparently Ali and wilt measured arm length. Wilts was longer so he was handed the win.

No point in fighting a guy who has longer reach. It's foregone conclusion they win

BoxBuzz wrote:By contrast, Shaq appeared to be trying his hardest, in a game he had very nearly zero experience

Shaq was WAY fat and fkking around during the exhibition. He did the shoe shine shuffle and other goof offs -- because he had promised not to hurt Oscar.

He DID have zero experience and 2 weeks of a couple hours training by a Freddy Roach who obviously wasn't trying to teach him anything and had him spar exactly 2 sessions with Oliver McCall, who is 10,000,000,000,000 miles from Oscar DLH in style and size. How is that going to get him ready???

But for a raw amateur who was 43 years old and never pulled on gloves before he tagged Oscar with numerous soft punches and jabs, and outscored him significantly.. If he wanted to hurt him he could have.. Look how he started the fight.. When he accidentally hurt Oscar once, he eased up very noticeably.. He should have gotten the decision... but unless he hurt or flattened Oscar he wasn't going to get it.

BoxBuzz wrote:These very long armed guys are invincible, always have been always will be

You're full of crap and always will be... 99% of long armed guys are vincible... Only 1 in 73 long armed 7-foot basketball players makes it to the NBA...

Even those few that do make the NBA are generally slower and less athletic than their shorter counter parts... They generally can't play for crap, can't run the court real well and can't keep up... Chamberlain had the 30 other athletic assets they all lacked and dominated at both ends of the court... No other NBA player in the long history of the game came close to scoring 100 points in a single game.. Chamberlain also has the all-time rebound record of 55 in one game.

Yes, vincible is a word dweeb...now that you went and looked it up.

SteveO wrote:Kalan, Nikolai Valuev is 7' tall with an 86" reach. How do you think Ali would have done against him?

Valuev has an 85" reach liar.. He's one of the least athletic men who ever inhabited the earth -- but due to his height and range he gives Ali fits.

SteveO wrote:Apart from Valuev, I could add 7' 1" Julius Long into the mix - he has a 90" reach

Are we talking the greatest natural athlete who ever lived (Jim Brown called Wilt Chamberlain that) or fk-hole athletes who happen to be tall folks???

These threads have made me glad Wilt Chamberlain's dead. He doesn't deserve that, but that's what Kalan's done to his legacy for me with this bullsh*t.

Now if only these threads could die forever.

Tony1244 wrote:I don't think Chamberlin could have beaten Stamford Harris.

Please, whatever you do, don't mention Ed 'Too Tall' Jones!

Kalan wrote:

SteveO wrote:Kalan, Nikolai Valuev is 7' tall with an 86" reach. How do you think Ali would have done against him?

Valuev has an 85" reach liar.. He's one of the least athletic men who ever inhabited the earth -- but due to his height and range he gives Ali fits.

Valuev gives Ali fits.

Ali would fit Valuev with an array of nicknames from The Caveman to Frankenstein.

gilgamesh wrote:These threads have made me glad Wilt Chamberlain's dead. He doesn't deserve that, but that's what Kalan's done to his legacy for me with this bullsh*t.

Now if only these threads could die forever.

Wilt Chamberlain didn't deserve that way he was treated by Boxing... He was used for publicity and the story of the coming Chamberlain-Ali Fight hit the media all over the world... These were the 2 best known athletes on the planet...so these stories were media magnets, milked for all they were worth.

But in the end Chamberlain was only being used for his name and fame... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Chamberlain begs Ali to sign the contract and only wants to know WHEN Ali will sign... Ali keeps saying "Don't rush things" Boxing is truly a business