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Povetkin doesn't want anything to do with Wilder. assjackoff has explicitly told us that Povetkin hasw never taken PED's, so that means he actually manufactured his own positive test to get out of the fight. Then he did it again to get out of the WBC rankings altogether. If that isn't ducking, nothing is.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Povetkin doesn't want anything to do with Wilder. assjackoff has explicitly told us that Povetkin hasw never taken PED's, so that means he actually manufactured his own positive test to get out of the fight. Then he did it again to get out of the WBC rankings altogether. If that isn't ducking, nothing is.

Quacking good evidence, Saad.

Not by me

IronFrost wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

IronFrost wrote:After Wladimir schooled him Povetkin faced weak opposition - Wach , Charr , Rudenko , Dohoupas

If you think that Duhaupas, Wach, and Takam are weak opposition, then you know absolutely nothing about what constitutes standard competition for a world class heavyweight. In just Povetkin's last 6 fights, he's beat better opposition than Luis Ortiz, Deontay Wilder, Joseph Parker, and Kubrat Pulev have in their entire careers.

He fought bums in his last fights. GTFO with your biased shiat.

Wach is not even better than Artur Szpilka
Dohoupas is not better than Washington
Takam is even with Andy Ruiz or maybe even worse.


Povetkin fought nobodies after Wlad whooped his ass.

You don't know what bums are, at all, because you're new to boxing and really not very knowledgeable.

He's not overrated. His resume is easily the second best in the division behind Klitschko. Well, third best if you count Fury's dominant win over the p4p-rated, undefeated Klitschko. That win alone is so damn good.

After the Klitschko loss, he's been defeating a nice gauntlet of fighters: Charr, Takam, Perez, Duhaupus, and Wach. His last win against Rudenko isn't bad either too. Easily, he has a better resume than a lot of other title holders and contenders today.

Mexi-Box wrote:He's not overrated. His resume is easily the second best in the division behind Klitschko. Well, third best if you count Fury's dominant win over the p4p-rated, undefeated Klitschko. That win alone is so damn good.

After the Klitschko loss, he's been defeating a nice gauntlet of fighters: Charr, Takam, Perez, Duhaupus, and Wach. His last win against Rudenko isn't bad either too. Easily, he has a better resume than a lot of other title holders and contenders today.

After yesterday's lackluster performance I have Povetkin at #6. He was out prior to fighting yesterday due to me being unclear where he even stood in the division given his Positive PED situation.

I don't expect to see him rise beyond #6 anymore. I figure within the next 12 to 18 months he'll be out of the Top 10 forever.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:He's not overrated. His resume is easily the second best in the division behind Klitschko. Well, third best if you count Fury's dominant win over the p4p-rated, undefeated Klitschko. That win alone is so damn good.

After the Klitschko loss, he's been defeating a nice gauntlet of fighters: Charr, Takam, Perez, Duhaupus, and Wach. His last win against Rudenko isn't bad either too. Easily, he has a better resume than a lot of other title holders and contenders today.

After yesterday's lackluster performance I have Povetkin at #6. He was out prior to fighting yesterday due to me being unclear where he even stood in the division given his Positive PED situation.

I don't expect to see him rise beyond #6 anymore. I figure within the next 12 to 18 months he'll be out of the Top 10 forever.

Post your rankings. Also, do you think AJ is a clean fighter? Dude has the telling signs of PED use. He just hasn't been caught.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:He's not overrated. His resume is easily the second best in the division behind Klitschko. Well, third best if you count Fury's dominant win over the p4p-rated, undefeated Klitschko. That win alone is so damn good.

After the Klitschko loss, he's been defeating a nice gauntlet of fighters: Charr, Takam, Perez, Duhaupus, and Wach. His last win against Rudenko isn't bad either too. Easily, he has a better resume than a lot of other title holders and contenders today.

After yesterday's lackluster performance I have Povetkin at #6. He was out prior to fighting yesterday due to me being unclear where he even stood in the division given his Positive PED situation.

I don't expect to see him rise beyond #6 anymore. I figure within the next 12 to 18 months he'll be out of the Top 10 forever.

Post your rankings. Also, do you think AJ is a clean fighter? Dude has the telling signs of PED use. He just hasn't been caught.

I don't know. Fighters are all innocent until proven guilty in that category as far as I'm concerned. Until they've tested postive for PED's, they're not on them. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway...

My Heavyweight Rankings (Updated as of July 1st)

Champion: Vacant

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
3. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
4. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
5. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
6. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
7. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
8. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
9. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
10. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)

11. Dillian Whyte (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
13. Gerald Washington (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
15. Christian Hammer (last fought: 5-19-2017)
16. Oscar Rivas (last fought: 7-29-2016)
17. Tony Bellew (last fought: 3-4-2017)
18. Lucas Browne - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
19. Trevor Bryan - (last fought: 4-27-2017)
20. Amir Mansour - (last fought: 3-17-2017)

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
After yesterday's lackluster performance I have Povetkin at #6. He was out prior to fighting yesterday due to me being unclear where he even stood in the division given his Positive PED situation.

I don't expect to see him rise beyond #6 anymore. I figure within the next 12 to 18 months he'll be out of the Top 10 forever.

Post your rankings. Also, do you think AJ is a clean fighter? Dude has the telling signs of PED use. He just hasn't been caught.

I don't know. Fighters are all innocent until proven guilty in that category as far as I'm concerned. Until they've tested postive for PED's, they're not on them. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway...

My Heavyweight Rankings (Updated as of July 1st)

Champion: Vacant

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
3. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
4. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
5. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
6. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
7. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
8. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
9. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
10. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)

11. Dillian Whyte (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
13. Gerald Washington (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
15. Christian Hammer (last fought: 5-19-2017)
16. Oscar Rivas (last fought: 7-29-2016)
17. Tony Bellew (last fought: 3-4-2017)
18. Lucas Browne - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
19. Trevor Bryan - (last fought: 4-27-2017)
20. Amir Mansour - (last fought: 3-17-2017)

Wilder is too high, Parker should be under Ortiz, Povetkin should be under Klitschko, Pulev is ridiculously too low, Duhaupas is too high, Ruiz Jr. is too low. Even if you are talking about performance, putting Parker above Povetkin, Ortiz, and Pulev is ridiculous. I'd have Parker near Ruiz Jr. because that fight was razor-close that could've arguably been given to Ruiz Jr.

If you are talking performance too, Wilder was getting outboxed by Washington and Szpilka while Povetkin won every single round against Rudenko. I don't think Povetkin has dropped a single round to a fighter since fighting Takam.

1. Joshua
2. Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Pulev
5. Wilder
6. Ortiz
7. Parker
8. Ruiz Jr.
9. Takam
10. Dillian Whyte
11. Chisora

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Post your rankings. Also, do you think AJ is a clean fighter? Dude has the telling signs of PED use. He just hasn't been caught.

I don't know. Fighters are all innocent until proven guilty in that category as far as I'm concerned. Until they've tested postive for PED's, they're not on them. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway...

My Heavyweight Rankings (Updated as of July 1st)

Champion: Vacant

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
3. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
4. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
5. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
6. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
7. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
8. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
9. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
10. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)

11. Dillian Whyte (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
13. Gerald Washington (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
15. Christian Hammer (last fought: 5-19-2017)
16. Oscar Rivas (last fought: 7-29-2016)
17. Tony Bellew (last fought: 3-4-2017)
18. Lucas Browne - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
19. Trevor Bryan - (last fought: 4-27-2017)
20. Amir Mansour - (last fought: 3-17-2017)

Wilder is too high, Parker should be under Ortiz, Povetkin should be under Klitschko, Pulev is ridiculously too low, Duhaupas is too high, Ruiz Jr. is too low. Even if you are talking about performance, putting Parker above Povetkin, Ortiz, and Pulev is ridiculous. I'd have Parker near Ruiz Jr. because that fight was razor-close that could've arguably been given to Ruiz Jr.

If you are talking performance too, Wilder was getting outboxed by Washington and Szpilka while Povetkin won every single round against Rudenko. I don't think Povetkin has dropped a single round to a fighter since fighting Takam.

1. Joshua
2. Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Pulev
5. Wilder
6. Ortiz
7. Parker
8. Ruiz Jr.
9. Takam
10. Dillian Whyte
11. Chisora

Povetkin tested positive for PED's and was off my list completely until yesterday because I didn't know what the situation was with him. He was supposedly PED free yesterday and he looked mediocre as sh*t.

If I could rank Wilder lower I would. I hate Wilder, I think that's well established. Based on recent results, he is where he is.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I don't know. Fighters are all innocent until proven guilty in that category as far as I'm concerned. Until they've tested postive for PED's, they're not on them. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway...

My Heavyweight Rankings (Updated as of July 1st)

Champion: Vacant

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
3. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
4. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
5. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
6. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
7. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
8. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
9. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
10. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)

11. Dillian Whyte (last fought: 12-10-2016)
12. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
13. Gerald Washington (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
15. Christian Hammer (last fought: 5-19-2017)
16. Oscar Rivas (last fought: 7-29-2016)
17. Tony Bellew (last fought: 3-4-2017)
18. Lucas Browne - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
19. Trevor Bryan - (last fought: 4-27-2017)
20. Amir Mansour - (last fought: 3-17-2017)

Wilder is too high, Parker should be under Ortiz, Povetkin should be under Klitschko, Pulev is ridiculously too low, Duhaupas is too high, Ruiz Jr. is too low. Even if you are talking about performance, putting Parker above Povetkin, Ortiz, and Pulev is ridiculous. I'd have Parker near Ruiz Jr. because that fight was razor-close that could've arguably been given to Ruiz Jr.

If you are talking performance too, Wilder was getting outboxed by Washington and Szpilka while Povetkin won every single round against Rudenko. I don't think Povetkin has dropped a single round to a fighter since fighting Takam.

1. Joshua
2. Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Pulev
5. Wilder
6. Ortiz
7. Parker
8. Ruiz Jr.
9. Takam
10. Dillian Whyte
11. Chisora

Povetkin tested positive for PED's and was off my list completely until yesterday because I didn't know what the situation was with him. He was supposedly PED free yesterday and he looked mediocre as sh*t.

If I could rank Wilder lower I would. I hate Wilder, I think that's well established. Based on recent results, he is where he is.

He didn't look phenomenal, but he did look a lot better than Wilder dropping rounds to awful Gerald Washington who got outboxed by Nagy Aguilera and Amir Mansour. I guess we'll agree to disagree here. I don't think there is any reason to put Wilder above Povetkin or even Pulev. Pulev has a better resume than Wilder too. I don't rank based on belts. Only Joshua's belt means anything. The rest are nice trinkets.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Wilder is too high, Parker should be under Ortiz, Povetkin should be under Klitschko, Pulev is ridiculously too low, Duhaupas is too high, Ruiz Jr. is too low. Even if you are talking about performance, putting Parker above Povetkin, Ortiz, and Pulev is ridiculous. I'd have Parker near Ruiz Jr. because that fight was razor-close that could've arguably been given to Ruiz Jr.

If you are talking performance too, Wilder was getting outboxed by Washington and Szpilka while Povetkin won every single round against Rudenko. I don't think Povetkin has dropped a single round to a fighter since fighting Takam.

1. Joshua
2. Klitschko
3. Povetkin
4. Pulev
5. Wilder
6. Ortiz
7. Parker
8. Ruiz Jr.
9. Takam
10. Dillian Whyte
11. Chisora

Povetkin tested positive for PED's and was off my list completely until yesterday because I didn't know what the situation was with him. He was supposedly PED free yesterday and he looked mediocre as sh*t.

If I could rank Wilder lower I would. I hate Wilder, I think that's well established. Based on recent results, he is where he is.

He didn't look phenomenal, but he did look a lot better than Wilder dropping rounds to awful Gerald Washington who got outboxed by Nagy Aguilera and Amir Mansour. I guess we'll agree to disagree here. I don't think there is any reason to put Wilder above Povetkin or even Pulev. Pulev has a better resume than Wilder too. I don't rank based on belts. Only Joshua's belt means anything. The rest are nice trinkets.

Gerald Washington is a Top 20 ranked Heavyweight. Rudenko wouldn't crack my Top 30.

I don't rank based on belts either. Pulev or Povetkin don't rank above Wilder right now because they haven't done enough to deserve to. Povetkin ranked ahead of Wilder until he pissed dirty. He'll never get back to where he was prior to that. He literally pissed his career away.

Povetkin won't get another significant fight because significant fighters aren't going to risk fighting him knowing he'll probably piss dirty and cause the fight to get scrapped a week or two out from it anyway.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Povetkin tested positive for PED's and was off my list completely until yesterday because I didn't know what the situation was with him. He was supposedly PED free yesterday and he looked mediocre as sh*t.

If I could rank Wilder lower I would. I hate Wilder, I think that's well established. Based on recent results, he is where he is.

He didn't look phenomenal, but he did look a lot better than Wilder dropping rounds to awful Gerald Washington who got outboxed by Nagy Aguilera and Amir Mansour. I guess we'll agree to disagree here. I don't think there is any reason to put Wilder above Povetkin or even Pulev. Pulev has a better resume than Wilder too. I don't rank based on belts. Only Joshua's belt means anything. The rest are nice trinkets.

Gerald Washington is a Top 20 ranked Heavyweight. Rudenko wouldn't crack my Top 30.

I don't rank based on belts either. Pulev or Povetkin don't rank above Wilder right now because they haven't done enough to deserve to. Povetkin ranked ahead of Wilder until he pissed d*rty. He'll never get back to where he was prior to that. He literally p*ssed his career away.

Uh, Pulev beat Chisora who arguably beat Whyte (currently in your top 10). Washington should have 2 extra losses, and he's only ranked high because of his upset over Chambers who hasn't done anything since.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: He didn't look phenomenal, but he did look a lot better than Wilder dropping rounds to awful Gerald Washington who got outboxed by Nagy Aguilera and Amir Mansour. I guess we'll agree to disagree here. I don't think there is any reason to put Wilder above Povetkin or even Pulev. Pulev has a better resume than Wilder too. I don't rank based on belts. Only Joshua's belt means anything. The rest are nice trinkets.

Gerald Washington is a Top 20 ranked Heavyweight. Rudenko wouldn't crack my Top 30.

I don't rank based on belts either. Pulev or Povetkin don't rank above Wilder right now because they haven't done enough to deserve to. Povetkin ranked ahead of Wilder until he pissed d*rty. He'll never get back to where he was prior to that. He literally p*ssed his career away.

Uh, Pulev beat Chisora who arguably beat Whyte (currently in your top 10). Washington should have 2 extra losses, and he's only ranked high because of his upset over Chambers who hasn't done anything since.

He arguably beat Whyte according to some, but I had Whyte winning so that argument doesn't mean d*ck to me.

Nobody has an especially impressive resume at Heavyweight right now. Not even the guys at the very top.

Pulev ranks ahead of Whyte on my list so I don't know what you're complaining about...also as you can see Whyte is ranked #11 by me. He's not in my Top 10.

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
3. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
4. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
5. Hughie Fury
6. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
7. Jun Long Zhang
8. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)
10. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
11. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
12. Dillian Whyte
13. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
15. Daniel Dubois
16. Tyrone Spong
17. Tony Yoka
18. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
19. Izuagbe Ugonoh
20. Amir Mansour

There are a few guys out there I struggle to rate;
Senad Gashi
Mladen Miljas
Simon Kean


And there are a few guys where I haven't checked from when they had their last fight.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Gerald Washington is a Top 20 ranked Heavyweight. Rudenko wouldn't crack my Top 30.

I don't rank based on belts either. Pulev or Povetkin don't rank above Wilder right now because they haven't done enough to deserve to. Povetkin ranked ahead of Wilder until he pissed d*rty. He'll never get back to where he was prior to that. He literally p*ssed his career away.

Uh, Pulev beat Chisora who arguably beat Whyte (currently in your top 10). Washington should have 2 extra losses, and he's only ranked high because of his upset over Chambers who hasn't done anything since.

He arguably beat Whyte according to some, but I had Whyte winning so that argument doesn't mean d*ck to me.

Nobody has an especially impressive resume at Heavyweight right now. Not even the guys at the very top.

Pulev ranks ahead of Whyte on my list so I don't know what you're complaining about.

It should mean something to you because it was a close fight. Close fights like that often don't skyrocket a fighter ahead of the loser. We all still had Kovalev as a p4p #2-3 after he lost to Ward because it was a razor close fight. Ruiz Jr. also broke into the top 10 on most people's lists after he had that razor close fight with Parker. Razor close fights have a meaning that I think you are missing when you developed your rankings.

You said that Pulev hasn't done anything while Wilder has. Pulev beat Chisora who is still arguably a top 10 fighter depending on if you had him beating Whyte.

You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

Hughie #5?

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: Uh, Pulev beat Chisora who arguably beat Whyte (currently in your top 10). Washington should have 2 extra losses, and he's only ranked high because of his upset over Chambers who hasn't done anything since.

He arguably beat Whyte according to some, but I had Whyte winning so that argument doesn't mean d*ck to me.

Nobody has an especially impressive resume at Heavyweight right now. Not even the guys at the very top.

Pulev ranks ahead of Whyte on my list so I don't know what you're complaining about.

It should mean something to you because it was a close fight. Close fights like that often don't skyrocket a fighter ahead of the loser. We all still had Kovalev as a p4p #2-3 after he lost to Ward because it was a razor close fight. Ruiz Jr. also broke into the top 10 on most people's lists after he had that razor close fight with Parker. Razor close fights have a meaning that I think you are missing when you developed your rankings.

You said that Pulev hasn't done anything while Wilder has. Pulev beat Chisora who is still arguably a top 10 fighter depending on if you had him beating Whyte.

Chisora hasn't been in my Top 20 in quite a while. Whyte was already in my Top 15-20 somewhere. Beating Chisora advanced Whyte's career, losing to Whyte did not advance Chisora's career....hope this helps.

gilgamesh wrote:You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

I'm glad I took him off ignore precisely for posts like that. Zhang and Fury over wilder? Yeah, no bias there.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

I'm glad I took him off ignore precisely for posts like that. Zhang and Fury over wilder? Yeah, no bias there.

Hughie's not even Top 20 for me. Not sure he'd be Top 25. I KNOW Zhang wouldn't be.

gilgamesh wrote:You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

Hughie #5?

Oh well, I was surprised people had Stiverne in their top 100.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:You have Tony Yoka and Daniel Dubois Top 20 already?

Hughie #5?

Oh well, I was surprised people had Stiverne in their top 100.

The fact that there's not 100 Heavyweights better than Stiverne probably has a lot do with that.

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
He arguably beat Whyte according to some, but I had Whyte winning so that argument doesn't mean d*ck to me.

Nobody has an especially impressive resume at Heavyweight right now. Not even the guys at the very top.

Pulev ranks ahead of Whyte on my list so I don't know what you're complaining about.

It should mean something to you because it was a close fight. Close fights like that often don't skyrocket a fighter ahead of the loser. We all still had Kovalev as a p4p #2-3 after he lost to Ward because it was a razor close fight. Ruiz Jr. also broke into the top 10 on most people's lists after he had that razor close fight with Parker. Razor close fights have a meaning that I think you are missing when you developed your rankings.

You said that Pulev hasn't done anything while Wilder has. Pulev beat Chisora who is still arguably a top 10 fighter depending on if you had him beating Whyte.

Chisora hasn't been in my Top 20 in quite a while. Whyte was already in my Top 15-20 somewhere. Beating Chisora advanced Whyte's career, losing to Whyte did not advance Chisora's career....hope this helps.

As I said, the fight was razor close where Whyte didn't show at all that he was on a different level to Chisora. Ranking them leagues apart is totally wrong here, especially since this division doesn't really have dudes with stand-out resumes.

Also, I think it's ridiculous not having Chisora in the top 20. Would you really favor Hammer over Chisora because I sure wouldn't. That's why there is a level of skill to the rankings as well.

Mexi-Box wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Mexi-Box wrote: It should mean something to you because it was a close fight. Close fights like that often don't skyrocket a fighter ahead of the loser. We all still had Kovalev as a p4p #2-3 after he lost to Ward because it was a razor close fight. Ruiz Jr. also broke into the top 10 on most people's lists after he had that razor close fight with Parker. Razor close fights have a meaning that I think you are missing when you developed your rankings.

You said that Pulev hasn't done anything while Wilder has. Pulev beat Chisora who is still arguably a top 10 fighter depending on if you had him beating Whyte.

Chisora hasn't been in my Top 20 in quite a while. Whyte was already in my Top 15-20 somewhere. Beating Chisora advanced Whyte's career, losing to Whyte did not advance Chisora's career....hope this helps.

As I said, the fight was razor close where Whyte didn't show at all that he was on a different level to Chisora. Ranking them leagues apart is totally wrong here, especially since this division doesn't really have dudes with stand-out resumes.

Also, I think it's ridiculous not having Chisora in the top 20. Would you really favor Hammer over Chisora because I sure wouldn't. That's why there is a level of skill to the rankings as well.

Doesn't matter who I think would win between Chisora and Hammer. Guys don't get ranked based on who I think would beat who, they get ranked based on who they HAVE beaten, and where that currently sees them in the division.

There are guys not in my Top 20 that I feel confident could kick the asses of guys in my Top 20, but until they do it, they don't take their spot.