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asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: He doesn't need to drop his title, but as long as the Nevada lab is suspended, he probably doesn't schedule any fight.

Did the WBC remove Stiverne as mandatory?

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

Well then Wilder would need to drop his title to fight Whyte because Stiverne is the mandatory.

Wales wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Whyte just wants his name out there. He's the exact kind of opponent Wilder has been feasting on his whole career; very little talent. Whyte has stepped up twice and showed that he cannot hang with the top. .

Whyte has stepped up twice ?

Whyte is after a "life changing" payday on the back of having a big mouth.

AJ and Del Boy. Should be 0-2, but regardless he showed he can't hang.

Shows state of the division when fighting Del Boy is seen as a step up.

Wales wrote:Shows state of the division when fighting Del Boy is seen as a step up.

I'm not sure you know what a step up is.

No disrespect (anyone who says that is about to be disrespectful) but if Chisora wasn't A London boy he'd be sweeping the floors in his local takeaway while taking fights to subsidise his wages.

I agree. He's still significantly better than 95% of Whyte's previous opponents and would therefore qualify as a step up.

It's not a reflection of the division, it's a reflection of Whyte's resume.

punchoutsb wrote:

Wales wrote:Shows state of the division when fighting Del Boy is seen as a step up.

I'm not sure you know what a step up is.

Chisora was a step up from his confidence building gummies after AJ loss. But when you said "stepped up twice and can't hang with THE TOP"

I just don't class Chisora as "stepping up and hanging with THE TOP"

Anayway. Whatever the weather we both agree that Whyte hasn't earnt a World title shot

punchoutsb wrote:I agree. He's still significantly better than 95% of Whyte's previous opponents and would therefore qualify as a step up.

It's not a reflection of the division, it's a reflection of Whyte's resume.

Hasn't read that before responding something similar

Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

punchoutsb wrote:
It's not a reflection of the division, it's a reflection of Whyte's resume.

Whyte Wilder and Parker Hughie Fury really confirms Don Kings famous quote

"You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate"

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Did the WBC remove Stiverne as mandatory?

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

Well then Wilder would need to drop his title to fight Whyte because Stiverne is the mandatory.

Nope, while all the other belts have to be defended against de mandatory within 1,5 year, absolutely nothing has to happen from the WBC, Wilder may fight whoever he likes.

punchoutsb wrote:Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

Just shows how low grade vitali is.

He's looking for a payday??? ... That's why you fight!!! To eventually get big money fights like this... They offered Wilder 5 times as much as he made for Washington because Whyte is 5 X more likely to beat him... DW vs DW could go either way -- but it would expose Wilder even if he did win.. Wilder is not that great a boxer.. He's a smashing puncher but he let Washington win 4 rounds off of him.. Washington has no idea how to defend himself.. He's great big and strong with long arms, but he doesn't even have a correct stance..

Whyte has a stance, and a good enough game to give Wilder Hell... This is a fight I want to see... I don't want to see Wilder fight Trevor Bryan or Otto Wallin.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

Just shows how low grade vitali is.

shows how low grade you are... Can the hate for a minute because Vitali is not part of this discussion..

gilgamesh wrote:

Loki wrote:As overated as Wilder is, surely he beats Whyte.

Yeah he'd probably beat Whyte. Sadly Whyte would be the best fighter to date he's fought though.

Stiverne is probably on Whyte level. But, it does speak volumes that after x amount of defences, it's debatable.

Who is ranked #1 for WBC?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

Just shows how low grade vitali is.

Chisora is hot and cold. He was good against an old Vitali, Helenius and Whyte.

He didn't show up against Fury and Pulev. He showed up against Haye and got his lights turned out.

It just depends on the day with him.

Loki wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

Just shows how low grade vitali is.

Chisora is hot and cold. He was good against an old Vitali, Helenius and Whyte.

He didn't show up against Fury and Pulev. He showed up against Haye and got his lights turned out.

It just depends on the day with him.

To be fair Even on his good day he loses.

Truth is the UK can easily oversell fighters on homesoil fist, then worldwide, because of the money and marketing the promotional outfits can generate. Anyone who doesn't see this is a complete fool. Imagine how revered someone like Marquez would be if he was British, would only 2800 people turn up to watch lomachenko, usyk and gvozdyk generating peanuts If they were British?

Loki wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Loki wrote:As overated as Wilder is, surely he beats Whyte.

Yeah he'd probably beat Whyte. Sadly Whyte would be the best fighter to date he's fought though.

Stiverne is probably on Whyte level. But, it does speak volumes that after x amount of defences, it's debatable.

Who is ranked #1 for WBC?

Are you crazy? Stiverne will struggle or lose against anyone in the top 100?!

asdfjkl wrote:

Loki wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Yeah he'd probably beat Whyte. Sadly Whyte would be the best fighter to date he's fought though.

Stiverne is probably on Whyte level. But, it does speak volumes that after x amount of defences, it's debatable.

Who is ranked #1 for WBC?

Are you crazy? Stiverne will struggle or lose against anyone in the top 100?!

They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Ruthless-RKO wrote:Dillian Whyte has described Deontay Wilder as an "embarrassment to heavyweight boxing" after the WBC champion rejected a fight offer.

Whyte told Sky Sports, "In this game, nobody's going to give each other anything, you have to go after it yourself."

"Guys like Deontay Wilder are an embarrassment to heavyweight boxing. All the great champions have losses on their record because they fought other great fighters and that's the problem with Deontay Wilder, his last 10 fights have been with nobody."

"We have offered him five times more money than he made for his last fight, but he doesn't want to fight, so what's the problem?"

"Why's he avoiding? Because he knows I'm dangerous and he knows that he'll lose the fight."

"We're trying to get the Deontay Wilder fight, so it'll be good for me to get some exposure in the USA and get some experience abroad as well."

How ironic that a nobody like Whyte, who is clearly an unworthy challenger, would call Wilder an "embarrassment to HW boxing".

If he was a deserving contender the criticism might actually pack some weight...but he's obviously got a much bigger opinion of himself than he should.

I don't particularly rate whyte, but if he trains hard he's got 1 up on a lot of heavyweights. Generally you can question his heart and willto fight, he took a tremendous beating off joshua and stayed upright for a long time considering the shots he was taking. I'd argue he looks physically better since that fight also, less fat. He lacks the boxing ability to do anything major, but if wilder doesn't catch him on the button, that fight would be a right scrap. Wilder boxes badly. I don't see whyte getting battered pillar to post like Joshua did to him, but if wilder can land the shot on the chin he should really get him out of there.

People on this thread need to give Del Boy a break also. His crime is his motivation/focus is hit and miss. When he's focussed he is a gatekeeper of sorts to fights at the top. He too like whyte lacks technique and ability, but when he's on it he's a handful. A good "boxer" beats him fairly easy like Fury 2. Delboys so short that match up sucks for him. Part of me thinks Del Boy is a tougher fight for wilder and whyte cos he's stronger imo.

Either way, these guys aren't top level, but they're not as bad as some guys getting shots, molina, the guy Parker fought last etc

punchoutsb wrote:I agree. He's still significantly better than 95% of Whyte's previous opponents and would therefore qualify as a step up.

It's not a reflection of the division, it's a reflection of Whyte's resume.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Loki wrote:
Stiverne is probably on Whyte level. But, it does speak volumes that after x amount of defences, it's debatable.

Who is ranked #1 for WBC?

Are you crazy? Stiverne will struggle or lose against anyone in the top 100?!

They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

Loki wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Ah yes now I see where the misunderstanding happen. I, in no way shape or form, think Chisora is top class. I think he's the most overrated C class heavy I've ever seen. The fact Whyte struggled so mightily with him means he cannot hang with the top.

Just shows how low grade vitali is.

Chisora is hot and cold. He was good against an old Vitali, Helenius and Whyte.

He didn't show up against Fury and Pulev. He showed up against Haye and got his lights turned out.

It just depends on the day with him.

Old Vitali pitched a near shutout against him. Chisoras only good outing was against one armed Helenius.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

Well then Wilder would need to drop his title to fight Whyte because Stiverne is the mandatory.

Nope, while all the other belts have to be defended against de mandatory within 1,5 year, absolutely nothing has to happen from the WBC, Wilder may fight whoever he likes.

Not according to the WBC rulebook.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Are you crazy? Stiverne will struggle or lose against anyone in the top 100?!

They why didn't Derric Rossy beat him?

Well, he did?! Somehow the refs gave him a decision anyway and there is no footage, which is at least very remarkeble for a mandatory fight isn't it? I mean, it's not two talents, or two bums, no it's fighting for a mandatory spot of the world WBC title! Where's the crowd? Where are the fans? Nobody with a camera out there? Can you name any fight at all, between two top 100 boxrec boxers, with no footage availeble? And it's not like, oh yea, somewhere in Africa, or Asia or whatever, no, the United States of America!
And please note that Derric Rossy isn't even ranked in the top 40 of the WBC, also note that that same Derric Rossy recently lost against a cruiserweight last week.

Ahh, the fight you admitted you've never seen.