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Re: Quillin, Korobov, etc.

Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 21:57
by KiwiRider
Enlightened-One wrote:
KiwiRider wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: Not in a professional bout capacity. So your statement is a tad redundant.

I have to disagree with this claim. Matt Korobov hasn't managed to gain a victory or a draw against any fighter better than the following names: Hassan N'Jikam, Daniel Jacobs, Andy Lee, Jesse Brinkley, Lukas Konecny & Gabriel Rosado.

Korobov’s amateur pedigree superficially suggests that this is the case, yet he hasn’t proven this against world-calibre opposition in the pro ranks. Only novices should be applauded for looking good against cab drivers, but the Russian will be 35 years of age soon, hence the reason why I'm not impressed by the nature of Matt's victories. So I won’t completely agree with your perception until he’s beaten someone credible.

I agree with you about Korobov leading on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage (perhaps not winning every single round though), but regardless, it was a competitive contest.

The Russian lost because of his inexperience. He hadn't been tested before and was absolutely clueless about how to weather a storm. He didn't think to take a knee, so the ref was compelled to stop the bout. Had Korobov faced better opposition beforehand, he might have known what to do in the situation he was placed in.
Nice detail.
And you don't think Quillin is a little faded?
He seems to me to be losing his speed. No question about his power at all, but you don't think a faster skilled boxer like Korobov will give him too much trouble?
The question that you've asked has been framed in a manner that assumes a stance that not only bears no relation to anything I've written in this thread, but it also strongly suggests that you've blatantly ignored my posts that directly describes my actual thoughts on the matter.

Why do you do that? Why fûckîng lie? You're only harming your own reputation with these atrociously ludicrous remarks and questions.
I asked the question in relation to this comment from you;

If we were to see a fight between Korobov and Quillin at 168lbs, I’d have to favour the American, because I think he appears physically bigger, has mixed with better opposition and I feel that he’ll likely improve his skills under Virgil Hunter’s tutelage. It’s important to note that I don’t feel very confident about my opinion though, despite the fact that Matt has never defeated a world-class opponent as a pro

Relating to your confidence in that opinion, and wondered if my observation that Quillin to me looked a little faded may have something to do with your lack of confidence?
I'm sorry if I hadn't made that clearer.
The reason I asked you specifically is you seem to have a decent handle on it.
I have seen quite a few Quillin fights but only one of Korobov's. So my knowledge is one sided only through that.
If you wish to berrate me further, please feel free to use the private message function.

Re: Quillin, Korobov, etc.

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 00:15
by Enlightened-One
KiwiRider wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
KiwiRider wrote: Nice detail.
And you don't think Quillin is a little faded?
He seems to me to be losing his speed. No question about his power at all, but you don't think a faster skilled boxer like Korobov will give him too much trouble?
The question that you've asked has been framed in a manner that assumes a stance that not only bears no relation to anything I've written in this thnread, but it also strongly suggests that you've blatantly ignored my posts that directly describes my actual thoughts on the matter.

Why do you do that? Why fûckîng lie? You're only harming your own reputation with these atrociously ludicrous remarks and questions.
I asked the question in relation to this comment from you;

If we were to see a fight between Korobov and Quillin at 168lbs, I’d have to favour the American, because I think he appears physically bigger, has mixed with better opposition and I feel that he’ll likely improve his skills under Virgil Hunter’s tutelage. It’s important to note that I don’t feel very confident about my opinion though, despite the fact that Matt has never defeated a world-class opponent as a pro

Relating to your confidence in that opinion, and wondered if my observation that Quillin to me looked a little faded may have something to do with your lack of confidence?
I'm sorry if I hadn't made that clearer.
The reason I asked you specifically is you seem to have a decent handle on it.
I have seen quite a few Quillin fights but only one of Korobov's. So my knowledge is one sided only through that.
If you wish to berrate me further, please feel free to use the private message function.
My lack of confidence about Quillin's ability to defeat Korobov is driven by my belief that the Russian is capable of giving the American a "lot of trouble".

If I thought that Quillin could beat Korobov without "too much trouble" then my confidence would by sky high, instead of quite low.

I also conceded a likelihood about Korobov being a superior boxer than Quillin, though his talent is unproven in the pro ranks.

That's the reason why I was a little frustrated about the way you'd framed your question, because a lot of people from this forum try to undermine my thoughts using stawman debating tactics, which means they usually attack a misrepresented version of my argument rather than my actual words, because it's easier for them to pretend they've proven me wrong.

Apologies for my over reaction. :oops:

Re: Quillin, Korobov, etc.

Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 00:48
by KiwiRider
No problem EO and thank you for the response..