Kovalev Files Protest With NSAC To Make Ward Loss a No-Contest

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If I've seen a bad looser in my life this is the one.
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caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous, lame and pathetic are words that come to mind at this point with Kovalev and his classless poor losing reaction to a beatdown. But with that said, why not file and see what happens? Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him.

Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
Because in the process of doing so you're pissing away a sh*t load of money. Fighting this fight with the NSAC is the equivalent of wiping your ass with money and flushing it down the toilet.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote:“It is very important that the Commission understand that a protest is not an attack upon the competence of the referee, any more than a video replay in the NFL, or MLB is an attack on the competence of the officials in those leagues,”
This is a mistake. Weeks is the man who destroyed the fight and ADMITTED he was wrong to stop the fight.. After the first warning of Ward for low blows, possibly by prior, covert agreement, there was never another warning given or points taken -- even though Weeks had a clear view of many of the low blows. That does not say he's a competent referee. That speaks to the fact that he's a corrupt referee.

There is no review of a referee Weeks' decisions after a fight except by the NSAC, and they have a history of corrupt rulings.. The NSAC has made many corrupt rulings in the past regarding Mayweather. The idea that a corrupt American boxing commission is going to find for a Russian national against and American Gold Medalist and World Champion is like asking the Tooth Fairy to reverse the result.

What I suspect will happen now is they'll match Kovalev against Beterbiev to get him killed off -- or they won't let them fight. They'll just do the same thing to Sergei as they've been doing to Beterbiev.. Don't let him fight.. Match him with unknowns.. He's 34 and he'll be gone in a few years.
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caldo2025 wrote: Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him ... Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
You're blind as a bat... Not only that, but you're a damned liar if you say you didn't see any low blows or blows not hitting the beltline.. Some of you idiots think the waistband on the trunks is a "belt-line" and you have to go below that. What about trunks where the waistband is an inch wide and the trunks are one color, like black, green, blue, or white??? Anything below the navel is low and Ward hit him low numerous times that Weeks simply ignored. The last punch was several inches below even the very wide waistband. If you didn't see that your eyes don't work.

The so-called "belt-line" is an imaginary line that runs from the navel around the body. Boxers do not practice defensive moves to evade punches that are aimed below that line.. Pitching punches below the navel makes it as super easy to connect, and they hurt like a MFer.. They carried Schmeling out of the ring when Sharkey hit him low.. Sharkey was DQ'd.. Dempsey hit Sharkey numerous times low and Sharkey complained to the blind referee.. As he complained Dempsey knocked him cold with a left hook. Dempsey was a big hero to everybody -- Sharkey was persona non grata.
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gilgamesh wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous, lame and pathetic are words that come to mind at this point with Kovalev and his classless poor losing reaction to a beatdown. But with that said, why not file and see what happens? Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him.

Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
Because in the process of doing so you're pissing away a sh*t load of money. Fighting this fight with the NSAC is the equivalent of wiping your ass with money and flushing it down the toilet.
Why are you thinking that this is so expensive? It shouldn't be expensive for a boxer to submit a protest. These are the rules of boxing and rights of the participants. I'm sure that there are so lawyer fees for drawing up the document and a fee most likely for processing but what other charges could be involved? It's not a lawsuit or civil suit...it's just having the powers that be take a look at the results of a fight that were questionable to try to make it right. We probably spent more for the PPV that night.
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Kalan wrote:
caldo2025 wrote: Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him ... Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
You're blind as a bat... Not only that, but you're a damned liar if you say you didn't see any low blows or blows not hitting the beltline.. Some of you idiots think the waistband on the trunks is a "belt-line" and you have to go below that. What about trunks where the waistband is an inch wide and the trunks are one color, like black, green, blue, or white??? Anything below the navel is low and Ward hit him low numerous times that Weeks simply ignored. The last punch was several inches below even the very wide waistband. If you didn't see that your eyes don't work.

The so-called "belt-line" is an imaginary line that runs from the navel around the body. Boxers do not practice defensive moves to evade punches that are aimed below that line.. Pitching punches below the navel makes it as super easy to connect, and they hurt like a MFer.. They carried Schmeling out of the ring when Sharkey hit him low.. Sharkey was DQ'd.. Dempsey hit Sharkey numerous times low and Sharkey complained to the blind referee.. As he complained Dempsey knocked him cold with a left hook. Dempsey was a big hero to everybody -- Sharkey was persona non grata.
You're bitter, I get that. My heart was broken too when he lost. I had him up in the fight and clearly winning rounds but I saw something off about Kovalev after the 4th round. Kovalev came out of the gates at a pace he could never keep for 12 rounds... I feel that Kovalev beat Kovalev in the second fight more than anything that Ward did to him. He doesn't listen to anyone and feels he has all the answers and in boxing intellect, this was a matter of one team drawing stick figures and the other works of art. Ward and his team knew Serge would be done by midway in that fight.

As for the low blows...ah...i'm not bitter about them because I didn't see anything like i saw in the Bowe/Golotta fiasco. That's what i grew up noting as low blows. You may be too young for that fight but if you wanna know what a low blow is then watch that fight. This fight...what do you want, the ref to get on his knees and measure every punch...most of the punches either touched the belt line or were very close. Nothing right on the cock and balls i saw. The action is lightening fast...when a fight is stopped, Ref's look in the boxer's eyes to see what shape the guy is in...You can't do both...ref's are not super human. The action was fast and it was bedlam for a while there. You are asking WAYYYYY too much for a ref to make a low blow call in the middle of the mess that was the end of that fight.

The only thing that this fight proved is that Boxing needs to address the rules surrounded low blows and how they are called. They shouldn't vary from division to division...ref to ref...state to state....One rule...make it easy too....SHORTS NEED TO BE WORN BELOW NAVAL AND ANY PUNCHES THAT HIT FABRIC OF THE SHORTS IS LOW...THAT'S IT. It's clear and difinitive and way easier to maintain. Problem solved. Oh and get in the 21st century and use instant replay for certain fight altering fouls.
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caldo2025 wrote: As for the low blows...ah...i'm not bitter about them because I didn't see anything like i saw in the Bowe/Golotta fiasco. That's what i grew up noting as low blows. You may be too young for that fight but if you wanna know what a low blow is then watch that fight. This fight...what do you want, the ref to get on his knees and measure every punch...most of the punches either touched the belt line or were very close. Nothing right on the cock and balls i saw ... The only thing that this fight proved is that Boxing needs to address the rules surrounded low blows and how they are called. They shouldn't vary from division to division...ref to ref...state to state....One rule...make it easy too....SHORTS NEED TO BE WORN BELOW NAVAL AND ANY PUNCHES THAT HIT FABRIC OF THE SHORTS IS LOW...THAT'S IT. It's clear and difinitive and way easier to maintain. Problem solved. Oh and get in the 21st century and use instant replay for certain fight altering fouls.
The only thing I can say is you're out of your mind... You're off in the 5th dimension with BuzzBox traipsing through moonbeams.. I've been a boxing fan since the 1950's Friday Night Fights started and involved with the sport since the '60's... Golota is a pathetic excuse for a human and he also threw low blows against Riddick Bowe.. He properly lost both fights by DQ.. Ward DIDN'T!!!! ... Amir Khan also beat Zab Judah with a deliberately low KO punch.

Kirk Johnson also lost by DQ against John Ruiz for low blows.. His punches were barely low.. He didn't hurt Ruiz with them, and he got DQ'd for a borderline low punch.. In sharp contrast Ward was hitting Kovalev 6 inches and more below the navel line.. If it's an inch low it's low.. The navel line IS the definition of a low blow. It's uniform around the world and obviously in every weight class so your comments make no sense.. It's NOT a low blow if the punch hits the fabric of the trunks.. It's not where the trunks are but where the navel is.. It's plain idiocy to talk about the "waistband." NOWHERE is there any allowances for the varied thicknesses of anyone's waistband.. If a punch lands on the waistband it's low.. Unless you're wearing your trunks so unbelievably high you look fkking stupid.

Deliberate low punches that Ward threw are debilitating. There is no possible way to defend them.. Weeks was giving Ward carte blanche to throw low.. Those are free shots you can't do anything about if the referee doesn't call them.. And they seemed to have the scam planned before the fight.. Because after the referee warned Ward once for low blows -- and then he keeps going even lower with impunity??? You have to have something like that worked out ahead of time. Boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world.
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Kalan wrote:
caldo2025 wrote: As for the low blows...ah...i'm not bitter about them because I didn't see anything like i saw in the Bowe/Golotta fiasco. That's what i grew up noting as low blows. You may be too young for that fight but if you wanna know what a low blow is then watch that fight. This fight...what do you want, the ref to get on his knees and measure every punch...most of the punches either touched the belt line or were very close. Nothing right on the cock and balls i saw ... The only thing that this fight proved is that Boxing needs to address the rules surrounded low blows and how they are called. They shouldn't vary from division to division...ref to ref...state to state....One rule...make it easy too....SHORTS NEED TO BE WORN BELOW NAVAL AND ANY PUNCHES THAT HIT FABRIC OF THE SHORTS IS LOW...THAT'S IT. It's clear and difinitive and way easier to maintain. Problem solved. Oh and get in the 21st century and use instant replay for certain fight altering fouls.
The only thing I can say is you're out of your mind... You're off in the 5th dimension with BuzzBox traipsing through moonbeams.. I've been a boxing fan since the 1950's Friday Night Fights started and involved with the sport since the '60's... Golota is a pathetic excuse for a human and he also threw low blows against Riddick Bowe.. He properly lost both fights by DQ.. Ward DIDN'T!!!! ... Amir Khan also beat Zab Judah with a deliberately low KO punch.

Kirk Johnson also lost by DQ against John Ruiz for low blows.. His punches were barely low.. He didn't hurt Ruiz with them, and he got DQ'd for a borderline low punch.. In sharp contrast Ward was hitting Kovalev 6 inches and more below the navel line.. If it's an inch low it's low.. The navel line IS the definition of a low blow. It's uniform around the world and obviously in every weight class so your comments make no sense.. It's NOT a low blow if the punch hits the fabric of the trunks.. It's not where the trunks are but where the navel is.. It's plain idiocy to talk about the "waistband." NOWHERE is there any allowances for the varied thicknesses of anyone's waistband.. If a punch lands on the waistband it's low.. Unless you're wearing your trunks so unbelievably high you look fkking stupid.

Deliberate low punches that Ward threw are debilitating. There is no possible way to defend them.. Weeks was giving Ward carte blanche to throw low.. Those are free shots you can't do anything about if the referee doesn't call them.. And they seemed to have the scam planned before the fight.. Because after the referee warned Ward once for low blows -- and then he keeps going even lower with impunity??? You have to have something like that worked out ahead of time. Boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world.
I would offer you cheese with your whine but the evidence clearly suggests that you have an over abundance of that aged stuff infused with crow and rotten rat. :KO:
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Tarkus wrote:If I've seen a bad looser in my life this is the one.
Because he's protesting an unfair decision? Ward low-blowed him multiple times. It's a fact. The video is there for all to see. He's in the right, and if boxing had any integrity, they would actually change it to a no contest. It won't happen, though.
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Team SOGgy will simply present clips that clearly show Krushedners low blows, including the most egregious of the fight which happened shortly before the picture perfect right hand landed that SOGgy had been attempting to land all night.

It was a fight. Krushedner was looking for a way out. Weeks gave it to him. Krushedner talked a litanny of sh!t for months about what he was going to do to SOGgy. When he got his chance he was turned into a b!tch. There is likely no coming back from that so why not double down on it?

Krushedner reflects the demeanor of his fans.
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caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous, lame and pathetic are words that come to mind at this point with Kovalev and his classless poor losing reaction to a beatdown. But with that said, why not file and see what happens? Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him.

Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
Where did he do that?

From what I heard Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing it. Unless you mean the Twitter account which was fake.
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Kalan wrote:
caldo2025 wrote: As for the low blows...ah...i'm not bitter about them because I didn't see anything like i saw in the Bowe/Golotta fiasco. That's what i grew up noting as low blows. You may be too young for that fight but if you wanna know what a low blow is then watch that fight. This fight...what do you want, the ref to get on his knees and measure every punch...most of the punches either touched the belt line or were very close. Nothing right on the cock and balls i saw ... The only thing that this fight proved is that Boxing needs to address the rules surrounded low blows and how they are called. They shouldn't vary from division to division...ref to ref...state to state....One rule...make it easy too....SHORTS NEED TO BE WORN BELOW NAVAL AND ANY PUNCHES THAT HIT FABRIC OF THE SHORTS IS LOW...THAT'S IT. It's clear and difinitive and way easier to maintain. Problem solved. Oh and get in the 21st century and use instant replay for certain fight altering fouls.
The only thing I can say is you're out of your mind... You're off in the 5th dimension with BuzzBox traipsing through moonbeams.. I've been a boxing fan since the 1950's Friday Night Fights started and involved with the sport since the '60's... Golota is a pathetic excuse for a human and he also threw low blows against Riddick Bowe.. He properly lost both fights by DQ.. Ward DIDN'T!!!! ... Amir Khan also beat Zab Judah with a deliberately low KO punch.

Kirk Johnson also lost by DQ against John Ruiz for low blows.. His punches were barely low.. He didn't hurt Ruiz with them, and he got DQ'd for a borderline low punch.. In sharp contrast Ward was hitting Kovalev 6 inches and more below the navel line.. If it's an inch low it's low.. The navel line IS the definition of a low blow. It's uniform around the world and obviously in every weight class so your comments make no sense.. It's NOT a low blow if the punch hits the fabric of the trunks.. It's not where the trunks are but where the navel is.. It's plain idiocy to talk about the "waistband." NOWHERE is there any allowances for the varied thicknesses of anyone's waistband.. If a punch lands on the waistband it's low.. Unless you're wearing your trunks so unbelievably high you look fkking stupid.

Deliberate low punches that Ward threw are debilitating. There is no possible way to defend them.. Weeks was giving Ward carte blanche to throw low.. Those are free shots you can't do anything about if the referee doesn't call them.. And they seemed to have the scam planned before the fight.. Because after the referee warned Ward once for low blows -- and then he keeps going even lower with impunity??? You have to have something like that worked out ahead of time. Boxing is the most corrupt sport in the world.
I take you to be one of those types of fans that would rather see the fighters policing themselves in there with fouls. Am i wrong? Tit for tat is what the greats used to do. You hit me low and I'm going to hit you low. There was no effort from Kovalev in this regard which tells me that it wasn't the perceived low blows affecting Kovalev's ability to finish that fight.

Honestly , the real illegal punches on the night were thrown by Kovalev with his many rabbit punches and most of those went uncalled. Take a look at that poor kid Prichard Colon and tell me if anyone's ever been in that kind of condition from a shot slightly low of whatever magic line a low blow is today. You are wrong buddy and it doesn't look like anyone is going to have any success changing your mind so i'll call this one a stalemate. Again, i'm a Kovalev guy and i'm not too comfortable arguing against him in favor for a guy like Ward who I really don't care for. Agree to disagree. If it's any consolation, I hope Kovalev and his team win this motion and it somehow gets changes to a no contest. You will then win this argument for sure and Ward will have to fight hi again and then hopefully, we'll get a properly trained Serge inside the ring with a better gameplan because he should have never lost once to this guy.
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BitPlayer wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous, lame and pathetic are words that come to mind at this point with Kovalev and his classless poor losing reaction to a beatdown. But with that said, why not file and see what happens? Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him.

Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
Where did he do that?

From what I heard Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing it. Unless you mean the Twitter account which was fake.
Damn, I may be referring to the fake Weeks tweet actually by the looks of it. My apologies. There were discussions here for two weeks after regarding the comment and I never saw that it was determined to be a fake until your reply. My mistake.
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caldo2025 wrote:
BitPlayer wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous, lame and pathetic are words that come to mind at this point with Kovalev and his classless poor losing reaction to a beatdown. But with that said, why not file and see what happens? Weeks did admit that he missed low blows in the final exchange so he has that going for him.

Had the big right hand from Ward not landing seconds earlier, Kovalev might have a shot at an NC. But anyone with a brain knows that punch was a game clincher and reason for the mess at the end and the end was inevitable. I didn't see any punches landing any lower than they do in every fight I watch. I didn't see any that didn't at least hit the belt line.
Where did he do that?

From what I heard Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing it. Unless you mean the Twitter account which was fake.
Damn, I may be referring to the fake Weeks tweet actually by the looks of it. My apologies. There were discussions here for two weeks after regarding the comment and I never saw that it was determined to be a fake until your reply. My mistake.
Now worries. Most people bought it, I did until I actually had a look at the account. An official statement said Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing if they were low which I think pretty much refutes it bought no one seemed to care.
Bennett told Weeks there were concerns for low blows. I asked him, ‘Do you want to look at the instant replay, and he said no. He said I’m satisfied they were on the beltline.’ And it was clear from my viewpoint that the punches were on the beltline.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/b ... 407508001/
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BitPlayer wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
BitPlayer wrote: Where did he do that?

From what I heard Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing it. Unless you mean the Twitter account which was fake.
Damn, I may be referring to the fake Weeks tweet actually by the looks of it. My apologies. There were discussions here for two weeks after regarding the comment and I never saw that it was determined to be a fake until your reply. My mistake.
Now worries. Most people bought it, I did until I actually had a look at the account. An official statement said Weeks wasn't even interested in reviewing if they were low which I think pretty much refutes it bought no one seemed to care.
Bennett told Weeks there were concerns for low blows. I asked him, ‘Do you want to look at the instant replay, and he said no. He said I’m satisfied they were on the beltline.’ And it was clear from my viewpoint that the punches were on the beltline.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/b ... 407508001/
By the looks of that article, this protest is a fart in the wind.
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caldo2025 wrote:By the looks of that article, this protest is a fart in the wind.
Maybe Kovalev just likes smelling his own farts.
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BitPlayer wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:By the looks of that article, this protest is a fart in the wind.
Maybe Kovalev just likes smelling his own farts.
Who doesn't? it's the only fart that doesn't stink.
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RScarf1 wrote:I think it should be declared a no contest, so I agree with this attempt to change the decision no matter what the chances are that it will be changed.
I agree. Kovalev wins the first fight, but the judges rob him. Now he loses the second fight, but now it's the referee's turn to get in on the action.

Ward doesn't have the power to trouble Kovalev. Ward set out to grapple and low blow every chance he could and unfortunately it paid off.
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You crybabies really crack me up.
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It's Boxing. Certainly not worth losing any brain cells over this...the show goes on.
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