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gilgamesh wrote:To pretend UFC fighters aren't superbly conditioned athletes is absurd.

They gass out quick. Thats why they than do ground work to rest....roided bar fighters.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
So why do u respond to me if anybody that bothers you you dont respond. You just still angry because of the mma crap...thats all...you search for everything i write to look if there is a minor inaccuracy, i would call that superior smart arsism than superior intelligence.

Why would you bother me? You don't much know what you're talking about, but you're harmless. I don't search anything out, you flatter yourself. You can keep calling it minor, but you had South America #2 with a list of only North American fighters. You can keep whining about it until the end of time but I certainly did nothing wrong by pointing it out.

I'm a grown man, with grown man problems. None of this insignificant stuff could ever get me angry. It's always annoying when someone speaks absolutely without even a minor clue, but that's a far cry from angry. You're the one carrying a single argument from thread to thread, not me. I never do that. So you sir, are indeed the one who is butthurt.

I dont follow you and speak against what you say and u talk enough of nonsense like those ufc fighters possessing condition, you will see one of the best mma fighters how poor his condition is when he faces floyd. After 3 rds he will gasping for air. You ll see. You are following me for picking on me not the opposite way

You're the one that can't let it go. You don't know anything about MMA. It shows your immaturity that you continue to talk out of your ass about it. I'm not picking on you at all, you're just wrong. Erik Morales didn't fight out of South America, Kell Brook can't beat Terrence Crawford with his reach advantage, MMA fighters train. These aren't opinions, you're wrong. Learn a little humility and maybe you won't get so upset. No need to play the victim, remember these lessons I teach you and somebody else won't clown you for it later.

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:To pretend UFC fighters aren't superbly conditioned athletes is absurd.

They gass out quick. Thats why they than do ground work to rest....roided bar fighters.

Ground work/clinch work is more tiring than striking. Though sometimes they do take breathers there.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Why would you bother me? You don't much know what you're talking about, but you're harmless. I don't search anything out, you flatter yourself. You can keep calling it minor, but you had South America #2 with a list of only North American fighters. You can keep whining about it until the end of time but I certainly did nothing wrong by pointing it out.

I'm a grown man, with grown man problems. None of this insignificant stuff could ever get me angry. It's always annoying when someone speaks absolutely without even a minor clue, but that's a far cry from angry. You're the one carrying a single argument from thread to thread, not me. I never do that. So you sir, are indeed the one who is butthurt.

I dont follow you and speak against what you say and u talk enough of nonsense like those ufc fighters possessing condition, you will see one of the best mma fighters how poor his condition is when he faces floyd. After 3 rds he will gasping for air. You ll see. You are following me for picking on me not the opposite way

You're the one that can't let it go. You don't know anything about MMA. It shows your immaturity that you continue to talk out of your ass about it. I'm not picking on you at all, you're just wrong. Erik Morales didn't fight out of South America, Kell Brook can't beat Terrence Crawford with his reach advantage, MMA fighters train. These aren't opinions, you're wrong. Learn a little humility and maybe you won't get so upset. No need to play the victim, remember these lessons I teach you and somebody else won't clown you for it later.

Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Jip wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:To pretend UFC fighters aren't superbly conditioned athletes is absurd.

They gass out quick. Thats why they than do ground work to rest....roided bar fighters.

You're not getting rest wrestling with somebody.

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
I dont follow you and speak against what you say and u talk enough of nonsense like those ufc fighters possessing condition, you will see one of the best mma fighters how poor his condition is when he faces floyd. After 3 rds he will gasping for air. You ll see. You are following me for picking on me not the opposite way

You're the one that can't let it go. You don't know anything about MMA. It shows your immaturity that you continue to talk out of your ass about it. I'm not picking on you at all, you're just wrong. Erik Morales didn't fight out of South America, Kell Brook can't beat Terrence Crawford with his reach advantage, MMA fighters train. These aren't opinions, you're wrong. Learn a little humility and maybe you won't get so upset. No need to play the victim, remember these lessons I teach you and somebody else won't clown you for it later.

Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
You're the one that can't let it go. You don't know anything about MMA. It shows your immaturity that you continue to talk out of your ass about it. I'm not picking on you at all, you're just wrong. Erik Morales didn't fight out of South America, Kell Brook can't beat Terrence Crawford with his reach advantage, MMA fighters train. These aren't opinions, you're wrong. Learn a little humility and maybe you won't get so upset. No need to play the victim, remember these lessons I teach you and somebody else won't clown you for it later.

Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

We ll talk afterwards and see if conor gassed or not. Since he is that super conditioned mma fighter, it wont be problem for him to go past 6

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
You're the one that can't let it go. You don't know anything about MMA. It shows your immaturity that you continue to talk out of your ass about it. I'm not picking on you at all, you're just wrong. Erik Morales didn't fight out of South America, Kell Brook can't beat Terrence Crawford with his reach advantage, MMA fighters train. These aren't opinions, you're wrong. Learn a little humility and maybe you won't get so upset. No need to play the victim, remember these lessons I teach you and somebody else won't clown you for it later.

Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

Why don't you STFU and leave the guy alone.

greg wrote:I've always thought Mexico and a bunch of other smaller counties all the way to Panama belong to North American continent, sometimes I believe they consider these smaller states belonging to Central America...

IIRC they are in central America, but that is within North America.

Interestingly in very early boxing history, Austalia produced some quality. Peter Jackson, and Bob Fitzsimmons both came out of Australia for example.

North America
Europe
South America
Asia
Australasia
Africa
Antarctica

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

We ll talk afterwards and see if conor gassed or not. Since he is that super conditioned mma fighter, it wont be problem for him to go past 6

As usual, you don't understand. There are different variables involved and Conor isn't near one of the top guys for stamina anyway. One fight encapsulates an entire sport? Do you even think before you type?

MachoTime wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
Yeah its fact that they gass quick and grapple or ly on the ground to save energy. Like poor conditioned boxer try to wrestle or hold to take a breath.

And its fact that you search everything i write to write some negativ about it. While i dont do that and leave you alone

Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

Why don't you STFU and leave the guy alone.

No thank you.

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AntarCtica

..you got that one right!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Fact is obviously an English word you don't understand. Buck up little trooper, you're bound to get something right again soon. You nailed a post on RJJ recently. If I break your tender heart, put me on ignore. I've never argued with myself.

Why don't you STFU and leave the guy alone.

No thank you.

You need to lighten up dude. We all share the passion of Boxing. Quit being a as*hole.

Jip wrote:Which continents produced the best boxers ever?

North america
South america
Europe
Asia
Africa
Ozeania

One is easy, na produced leonard, robinson, tyson, jones & ali. Cant beat that.

Sa is okay. Freitas, valero etc.

Europe with uk and all the eastern european boxer is a tough one too. Lomachenko, calzaghe, lewis, joshua, klitschkos etc..

Asia is okay. Pacquiao stand iver everything. Galaxy, inoue. I mean they got some good boxers but far from the level of what the big 3 conintents produced. They are becoming better with all the talent in Usbekistan, kazahkstan etc..

Africa and oziania suck. Dont play a role in boxing.

1. North america
2. Europe
3. Asia
4. South america
5. Africa
6. Ozeania

your alright Jip. I got your back.

MachoTime wrote:

Jip wrote:Which continents produced the best boxers ever?

North america
South america
Europe
Asia
Africa
Ozeania

One is easy, na produced leonard, robinson, tyson, jones & ali. Cant beat that.

Sa is okay. Freitas, valero etc.

Europe with uk and all the eastern european boxer is a tough one too. Lomachenko, calzaghe, lewis, joshua, klitschkos etc..

Asia is okay. Pacquiao stand iver everything. Galaxy, inoue. I mean they got some good boxers but far from the level of what the big 3 conintents produced. They are becoming better with all the talent in Usbekistan, kazahkstan etc..

Africa and oziania suck. Dont play a role in boxing.

1. North america
2. Europe
3. Asia
4. South america
5. Africa
6. Ozeania

your alright Jip. I got your back.

Thanks Macho all good

Jip wrote:

MachoTime wrote:

Jip wrote:Which continents produced the best boxers ever?

North america
South america
Europe
Asia
Africa
Ozeania

One is easy, na produced leonard, robinson, tyson, jones & ali. Cant beat that.

Sa is okay. Freitas, valero etc.

Europe with uk and all the eastern european boxer is a tough one too. Lomachenko, calzaghe, lewis, joshua, klitschkos etc..

Asia is okay. Pacquiao stand iver everything. Galaxy, inoue. I mean they got some good boxers but far from the level of what the big 3 conintents produced. They are becoming better with all the talent in Usbekistan, kazahkstan etc..

Africa and oziania suck. Dont play a role in boxing.

1. North america
2. Europe
3. Asia
4. South america
5. Africa
6. Ozeania

your alright Jip. I got your back.

Thanks Macho all good

Peace Brother

North America is #1
#2 is where the real fight takes place between Europe and Asia. Countries like Japan, Philippines and Thailand have vibrant scenes with strong history. Secondary boxing nations like Indonesia and South Korea and pretty interesting (even if Korea is a shadow of what it used to be), whilst Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are becoming powerhouses themselves.

Europe has had a long history with the UK, Germany, Ireland (amateurs particularly) and France, with Ukraine and Russia coming to the forefront recently and Poland also providing some decent fighters.

At the lower weights Asia walk this whilst at the higher weights it's an easy one for Europe. Overall though, there really isn't a clear winner IMO for the #2 place, and if anything the next decade will see things swing in the way of Asia (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Japan and China all having booms in that time period).

4 Africa
5 South America (particularly when you consider the female boxing scene in Argentina)
6 Oceania

Right now Europe, then Asia, then America.
But over the past 200 years America, Asia, Europe.
I also think America has the biggest and best media, that helps a really really lot.

Europe are the best right now and will be for the forseeable future. But obviously in history it's North America .. one of the main reasons for that is most of the best boxing nations in Europe couldn't even turn professional till quite recently.

Asia are only good in the really lower weight divisions that no one cares about and most boxing fans don't even watch like minimumweight and strawweight lol , there is a very low number of boxers in these weights and most countries don't even have boxers in these weights lol. Above featherweight were the numbers are higher they cannot compete with the top guys ( it's very rare)

Africa are the worst by far, they are completely useless. hopeless. I don't know why some posters try to be politically correct and nice about it. Africa are absolutely terrible at boxing, pro, am. every weight division, any way you look at it. they suck big time.

South America are pretty poor too, North America and Europe are really the only continents that are good at boxing.

1 North America
2 Europe
( big gap..............!)
3/4 South America and Asia ( about the same)
5 Oceania
6 Africa

Continents is easy to order. Galaxies could be tricky.

asdfjkl wrote: I also think America has the biggest and best media, that helps a really really lot.

Yes. Having opportunity to fight big fights and the exposure changes the playing field.
A lot of talent in parts of Africa we will never see. Look at the few guys that have made it out of places like Ghana, or Indongo (the person) for example..
We can list the continents but the real levels of talent will never be recognised by the general Western boxing fans.

KiwiRider wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I also think America has the biggest and best media, that helps a really really lot.

Yes. Having opportunity to fight big fights and the exposure changes the playing field.
A lot of talent in parts of Africa we will never see. Look at the few guys that have made it out of places like Ghana, or Indongo (the person) for example..
We can list the continents but the real levels of talent will never be recognised by the general Western boxing fans.

Indogno is decent nothing special, but the vast majority -99.9999% of africans are absolutely useless. They all get chances at commonwealth titles in the UK and they all get beat up easily. They all go out on the 1st round at the Olympics and World championships, When you draw an African fighter in boxing you think it's your lucky day! Nigeria in particular are embarassingly poor for a nation of 190 million.

gilgamesh wrote:Since you're asking All-Time

1. North America
2. Europe
3. Asia
4. Africa
5. South America
6. Australia

And since there's never been a fighter form Antarctica and never will be I think we can leave that one off

Technically, it's a sub-continent, so shouldn't count. But seeing as Jip clearly doesn't know fcuk all about the world map (I do like his passion though) let's include it.

Are there any fighting penguins or eskimos from the North Pole?

cuban glass wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I also think America has the biggest and best media, that helps a really really lot.

Yes. Having opportunity to fight big fights and the exposure changes the playing field.
A lot of talent in parts of Africa we will never see. Look at the few guys that have made it out of places like Ghana, or Indongo (the person) for example..
We can list the continents but the real levels of talent will never be recognised by the general Western boxing fans.

Indogno is decent nothing special, but the vast majority -99.9999% of africans are absolutely useless. They all get chances at commonwealth titles in the UK and they all get beat up easily. They all go out on the 1st round at the Olympics and World championships, When you draw an African fighter in boxing you think it's your lucky day! Nigeria in particular are embarassingly poor for a nation of 190 million.

But all the African Americans have no problems to reach the top? Just like AJ with his African roots?

Just on contemporary guys the should probably be something like:

North America: Ward, Crawford, MGarcia, Spence, Thurman, Santa Cruz, Canelo, Jacobs and many more. From Wilder to Saul Juarez a mix of decent or better fighters through most all divisions.

Europe: Lomachenko, Usyk, Joshua, Frampton, Kovalev plus lots of decent UK and Russian fighters and a few others. Well represented at higher weights, dotted through the rest but anything below Flyweight is rare.

Asia - Golovkin, Inoue, Yamanaka plus lots of Japanese, some Philipino and a couple of Chinese and Thai guys that are decent. Currently underrepresented at weights over 130 but with GGG's rise to fame that could change in the future.

South America / Africa - hard to split them. Tete, Indongo and Commey > pretty much anyone from SA, but Argentina in particular has more depth. Not much going on above 147 for either.

Oceania - not much here. Best fighters from this region are Parker, Horn and Browne and there isn't much depth beyond that.