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Boxing Prospect wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
I would say a guy with a professional win over an Olympic gold medal winner trumps any of Burton's professional achievements...

So if dillian whyte decided to fight a medalist at light heavy and won as they should it would be a good fight?

Manus won a gold at light welter, went pro fighting at 160 and fought ford who is a light heavy. How much of an advantage did ford have purely on size.

I don't see that as a good win pure and simple

If we were to compare that win comparatively to a guy who had fought Burton's equivalent level of competition then yes, it could well be a better win....or Maybe you think Burton has been through a string of good fighters...

I am saying that he doesn't have a win over a gold medalist that is his own size. He has one over a guy who won gold at 35lbs less than him. That to me isn't a good win imo. He should win with a massive advantage.

Burton has some decent names on his record for british level and would have given yarde a problem. But frank doesn't want a fighter who yarde will be out boxed by he knows yarde needs come forward fighters.

This fight pvet burton then buglioni is ducking imo and will end badly for yarde when he steps up a level. If he wins suddenly he is slightly higher in the WBO rankings and could possibly end up with a title shot before being truly tested.

veriton wrote:

crusader wrote:What makes Ford a fool and Burton legit? Burton has wins over Shinkwin and Smyle, and a knockout loss to Bulgioni. Has he really shown that he would be a much better opponent than Ford?

Because Burton has a decent record and has been tested. We know that he is a quality operator, probably fringe euro level at the moment with the ability to push himself further.

Ford is old and his best win was over a faded light welterweight. It's a poor match but a safer one for yarde, which is why they've taken it. Let's tell it like it is on here and not swallow the bull.

I don't think Shinkwin, Smyle, and a knockout loss to Buglioni is much better, if at all, than Ford's record (Berridge, Rapira, Boonjungnom, etc). It's been claimed that Burton has solid names on his record at British level, but to me Shinkwin and Smyle are no better than English level, and Burton failed his own test against Buglioni.

So,IMO Burton doesn't really have a stronger record than Ford, and I think a bout between them would be competitive. If there's any argument for an easier route being taken, it's that Ford has come forward style that could bring him into Yarde's punching range more. But, overall, I think Ford and Burton are roughly on the same level, and I think both would be good steps up for Yarde. I say that as someone who has been critical of his matchmaking and haven't been trying to hype him up.

Ford also beat cruiserweight world title challenger Willard Lewis on his debut!

Fair play it took Johnny Nelson 46 fights and a world title win to get in with Lewis.

I was at Goresbrook Leisure centre for that one, before a small uninterested crowd, I remember thinking that Lewis would struggle to get out of the North East divs.

I don't think anyone misses those routine soft WBO first defences anymore.

veriton wrote:

crusader wrote:What makes Ford a fool and Burton legit? Burton has wins over Shinkwin and Smyle, and a knockout loss to Bulgioni. Has he really shown that he would be a much better opponent than Ford?

Because Burton has a decent record and has been tested. We know that he is a quality operator, probably fringe euro level at the moment with the ability to push himself further.

Ford is old and his best win was over a faded light welterweight. It's a poor match but a safer one for yarde, which is why they've taken it. Let's tell it like it is on here and not swallow the bull.

Agree with all this, but "safer for Yarde" doesn't really come in to it. Burton may well give him more problems, but he beats both easy.

I know there a stil la lot of boxes to tick, but he's surely miles ahead of the Brit domestic/vacant international title scene already. I think his problem is going to be getting the 12 round experience he'll need for the big beasts @ LHW that he'll surely be facing in the next 1-2 years ?

Kit wrote:I don't think anyone misses those routine soft WBO first defences anymore.

remember naz vs said lawal.

this is just typical w*rren.

loads of dross in interviews about burton not being worthy.

then pulls yarde out the purse bid cos he knows he'll lose the promotion.

least hearn takes risks and chances with his fighters (ohara davies/clev-jack/brook-spence etc).

This reflects badly on Yarde although maybe his team don't think he's ready to step up yet which is fair enough.

But if I was in his position I'd want to prove myself in a tough domestic clash against a guy who's gonna come forward rather than a mismatch against an opponent most people have never heard of. Build it up on social media, create a bit of a grudge angle, bit of trash talk and hey presto there's a really good fight to look forward to with the prospect of another great fight to follow against Buglioni probably.

skanksta wrote:

veriton wrote:

crusader wrote:What makes Ford a fool and Burton legit? Burton has wins over Shinkwin and Smyle, and a knockout loss to Bulgioni. Has he really shown that he would be a much better opponent than Ford?

Because Burton has a decent record and has been tested. We know that he is a quality operator, probably fringe euro level at the moment with the ability to push himself further.

Ford is old and his best win was over a faded light welterweight. It's a poor match but a safer one for yarde, which is why they've taken it. Let's tell it like it is on here and not swallow the bull.

Agree with all this, but "safer for Yarde" doesn't really come in to it. Burton may well give him more problems, but he beats both easy.

I know there a stil la lot of boxes to tick, but he's surely miles ahead of the Brit domestic/vacant international title scene already. I think his problem is going to be getting the 12 round experience he'll need for the big beasts @ LHW that he'll surely be facing in the next 1-2 years ?

i think he's safer for yarde style-wise. its hard to tell how good yarde is because he has blown everyone away in such impressive style - but so did pele reid. burton would have been a perfect gauge of where he is because we know what burton is. do we know what ford is? if we're being unkind he's an ageing journeyman pro with a couple of twistable selling points on his record that dont stand up to much scrutiny. if yarde blows burton away (possible) then it's time for buglioni.

rather than making real, quantifiable progress going the traditional route, we are unfortunately being taken down the path of smoke and mirrors where a world ranking is trying to be bought with the tactics of a used car salesman. i dont think that's needed with yarde because he is such a talent, he's big enough and ugly enough to go the big-boy route rather than this nonsense.

hitman_hatton1 wrote:

Kit wrote:I don't think anyone misses those routine soft WBO first defences anymore.

remember naz vs said lawal.

this is just typical w*rren.

loads of dross in interviews about burton not being worthy.

then pulls yarde out the purse bid cos he knows he'll lose the promotion.

least hearn takes risks and chances with his fighters (ohara davies/clev-jack/brook-spence etc).

Skeete-Eggington on a Hearn show, Walsh taking on Davis was a risk... Langford and the mafia guy.

mickey1975 wrote:

hitman_hatton1 wrote:

Kit wrote:I don't think anyone misses those routine soft WBO first defences anymore.

remember naz vs said lawal.

this is just typical w*rren.

loads of dross in interviews about burton not being worthy.

then pulls yarde out the purse bid cos he knows he'll lose the promotion.

least hearn takes risks and chances with his fighters (ohara davies/clev-jack/brook-spence etc).

Skeete-Eggington on a Hearn show, Walsh taking on Davis was a risk... Langford and the mafia guy.

There was a time a year or two back when both sides wouldn't do business at all. Paul Smith v Tony Dodson and a few fighting on prize fighter and Saunders v Ryder didn't take away from the fact that there was virtually no chance of any name Matchroom fighters fighting on the opposite side and vice versa.

It's certainly better now but I'd be very surprised if one of the top 4 or 5 Matchroom names or one of the top 3 or 4 Queensbury names were to fight on the other sides promotion.

Ultimately Hosea Burton is quite a way down the list whereas Yarde is one of the poster boys. Yarde is also still learning and while he's been bowling them over, the opposition has been crap, Hearn aluded to the fact that Josh Buatsi's next opponent stopped Baranyi, and it's Buatsi's second fight.

Forget records for a second. Has anyone actually watched Ford fight? If you have, you'll be able to see clearly that Burton is the better boxer. Burton would ask Yarde more questions in the fight and be better for his long term development. Ford is made for Yarde and will make him look good.

black panther wrote:Forget records for a second. Has anyone actually watched Ford fight? If you have, you'll be able to see clearly that Burton is the better boxer. Burton would ask Yarde more questions in the fight and be better for his long term development. Ford is made for Yarde and will make him look good.

Why would Warren choose this guy if he was better than Burton?

I want more all British fights.

I can't stand all of these unknown foreigners being dragged over here.

Ford is way better than anyone Yarde has fought. I think it's a fine step up, though if I'd been ignorant and had known nothing of him, maybe I'd also just assume it was a lame fight.

If Burton really is that much better than Ford, it would make sense for Yarde (who has fought no one) to step up to someone on Ford's level, and then step up to someone on Burton's level.

jameswilson wrote:Ford to 'pull out' and be replaced by Olegs Fedotovs in 3......2......1......

Part 1 of this prediction has happened.

jameswilson wrote:

jameswilson wrote:Ford to 'pull out' and be replaced by Olegs Fedotovs in 3......2......1......

Part 1 of this prediction has happened.

I'll go for Ruben Acosta - looks better with winning record.

Yarde is now fighting...

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/611881

FW confirmed earlier today that Ryan Ford went missing.

Yeah.

Went missing.


In inverted commas.

Norbert Nemesapati

Can't wait

maverick23 wrote:Yarde is now fighting...

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/611881

FW confirmed earlier today that Ryan Ford went missing.

hardly gone missing, he's listed as fighting in montreal tomorrow night.

Comical, but not unexpected.

Usually Frank produces great domestic fights and has matched his prospects well at times too, but his handling of Yarde is mad. Bet they could have done a deal where Yarde could have faced Burton in BN, but no....senseless.

I watched this Hungarian kid against Dirrell (the one with balls) a few months back & he has heart. But he seemed tiny compared to Dirrell although I know he's fought at Light Heavy before. Maybe he just hasn't benefited from the same supplements that Western fighters have

Not a terrible test for Yarde but not what we were hoping for. It does make Hearns claims seem a bit more valid though.

I have a lot of hope for Yarde though & hope to see him step up next year.

Ford arguably looked a better opponent than Burton so I wasn't that bothered.

But now he is fighting someone else this is looking farcical.

Former British Champion Hosea Burton was a "step back" and they end up with this

Callum Smith (admittedly a big Super Middle) looked about 2 divisions above him FFS.

Let's be honest, they've avoided Burton and tried to be clever by passing off someone else as a harder fight due to them having a BS WBO ranking and it's backfired. Frustrating as there was a good domestic fight on the plate for them, which the other side seemed more than happy to take.

ElJefe wrote:Former British Champion Hosea Burton was a "step back" and they end up with this

Callum Smith (admittedly a big Super Middle) looked about 2 divisions above him FFS.

Let's be honest, they've avoided Burton and tried to be clever by passing off someone else as a harder fight due to them having a BS WBO ranking and it's backfired. Frustrating as there was a good domestic fight on the plate for them, which the other side seemed more than happy to take.

it was clear ford was a step down from burton anyway. ive got tickets for this show so will get to see yarde KO another clown but he should be in there with someone decent instead of this nonsense.

Pretty soon Yarde will have beaten up every man from Hungary. This one has lasted some rounds against solid opposition--though down at 168.