Has GGG been getting beaten up lately ?

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lazboy wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:
lazboy wrote:Ok I might have gotten confused...ah the article i read a while back...http://www.BS.com/golovkin-pro ... ts--118953 says Canelo will not be fighting for the IBO. So its the IBF with the same day weigh in not the IBO, which apparently Canelo will be fighting for...but who knows if he'll show up as you say.
Honestly, I don't think Canelo cares about getting any belt of the sanctioning bodies. As long as Canelo wins, he will retain his Ring Magazine middleweight title. Of course, we know that Ring is owned by Oscar De La Hoya. Canelo left the middleweight division and went to super welterweight, yet he still is Ring middleweight champ. Canelo may choose not to participate in the IBF's same day weight check and therefore would not be eligible to win that title. However, Golden Boy Promotions said that Canelo will weigh in on the second day, so we'll see. Canelo said that he will not accept the WBC title and he is not interested in the IBO title either, so he will not pay them their fees. If Canelo skips the IBF weigh in, then he would only be able to win the WBA title assuming he paid them the fees.
True :TU:
Crawford and Indongo are both paying more than $100K apiece in sanctioning fees to the WBA, WBC, IBF & WBO, but neither man will be on the receiving end of a big purse (possibly around the $1.5m mark).

That's the reason why the likes of big earners, such as Mayweather, Canelo & Pacquiao, haven't attempted to unify their respective weight divisions, because it costs them too much money and keeping hold of all the belts is near damn impossible... just ask Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury.

Whilst it would be ideal for boxing to have one true undisputed champion per weight division, the sports governing bodies are profit-making organisations who actively do their upmost to render this scenario an impossibility.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:Jacobs skipped the IBF weigh-in the day of the fight. GGG had to overcome Jacobs' weight advantage. GGG still deserved to win in my opinion.
Team GGG and the boxing fraternity expected Jacobs to not bother contending for the IBF belt, because after all, the bout was mandated by the WBA.

Everyone from Team GGG claimed that Jacobs weighing more than 170lbs was not a issue, so why are you claiming that Golovkin had to overcome some sort of Herculean weight disadvantage in order to compete in some sort of mythical David versus Goliath type fight?
The IBF felt that it was a big advantage for Jacobs to weigh that much and that GGG overcame that. It is not David vs. Goliath as if GGG was an underdog because of this, but I think it did have an effect on the fight. It is not as if Jacobs barely weighed above 170. He was at least 10 pounds over that, so 20 pounds over the middleweight limit.
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jacobs coach kept telling him between rounds don't engage don't engage how can you win the middleweight championship by not engaging
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:Jacobs skipped the IBF weigh-in the day of the fight. GGG had to overcome Jacobs' weight advantage. GGG still deserved to win in my opinion.
Team GGG and the boxing fraternity expected Jacobs to not bother contending for the IBF belt, because after all, the bout was mandated by the WBA.

Everyone from Team GGG claimed that Jacobs weighing more than 170lbs was not a issue, so why are you claiming that Golovkin had to overcome some sort of Herculean weight disadvantage in order to compete in some sort of mythical David versus Goliath type fight?
The IBF felt that it was a big advantage for Jacobs to weigh that much and that GGG overcame that. It is not David vs. Goliath as if GGG was an underdog because of this, but I think it did have an effect on the fight. It is not as if Jacobs barely weighed above 170. He was at least 10 pounds over that, so 20 pounds over the middleweight limit.
David Lemieux did the same thing as Jacobs when he fought Curtis Stevens... and no one from this forum even batted an eyelid.

If GGG wasn't bothered about Jacobs' actions, which many boxing pundits predicted, then it really shouldn't be considered an issue... otherwise Team Golovkin would have included a weight rehydration limit to the fight contract, but they didn't.
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skinnysteve wrote:jacobs coach kept telling him between rounds don't engage don't engage how can you win the middleweight championship by not engaging
They didn't keep saying that. That didn't happen any in any version of reality.
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..I'm not interested in whose team said what in prefight dealings and wheelings, it's the principles of sportsmanship and fair play that should count...two boxers on fight night factually belonging to different weight categories is a no-go, end of..
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Enlightened-One wrote:Crawford and Indongo are both paying more than $100K apiece in sanctioning fees to the WBA, WBC, IBF & WBO, but neither man will be on the receiving end of a big purse (possibly around the $1.5m mark).

That's the reason why the likes of big earners, such as Mayweather, Canelo & Pacquiao, haven't attempted to unify their respective weight divisions, because it costs them too much money and keeping hold of all the belts is near damn impossible... just ask Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury.

Whilst it would be ideal for boxing to have one true undisputed champion per weight division, the sports governing bodies are profit-making organisations who actively do their upmost to render this scenario an impossibility.
When boxers are fighting for a big purse and they are already big names, I think they are less willing to give a percentage to more than one sanctioning body. What if a sanctioning body or bodies was involved with Mayweather vs. McGregor? They would both have to pay a lot of money and it is pointless because the public does not care that belts are not at stake for that fight. Crawford and Indongo are still trying to make a name for themselves, but maybe in the future, Crawford (if he wins) will not care about being undisputed champion if his purses go up a lot. Cecilia Braekhus holds all 5 belts (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO) at welterweight for women. She obviously wants all 5 titles and her purses are not as large as men's undisputed champs. I don't know what she is making per fight, but the female champs in Mexico could make the equivalent of $100,000 American dollars each fight. If the women made as much money as the men, would they want to be undisputed champs? I don't think so. For that reason, the men usually do not want to either if their purses are very large. 3% of 1 million dollars is $30,000. 3% of $100,000 is $3,000. I agree that for the men, the costs are too much to be able to have 4 belts at the same time. I don't consider the IBO to be a major sanctioning body. When Mike Tyson was the undisputed heavyweight champion, there were only 3 major belts (WBC, WBA, and IBF). Tyson cared about having all the major belts even though he was a big name, so he was paying a lot of money to them and to other people such as his promoter. Tyson was and is still interested in boxing history, so I think Tyson cared about his place in history, so he wanted all 3 belts.

Now, I think boxers care more about the money and the sanctioning bodies have something to do with this. There are so many belts that are offered by the sanctioning bodies such as regional and Intercontinental that it has devalued the prestige of the world titles. Also, because boxing is not as popular as it was when Tyson was in his prime, the public for the most part just wants to see good matchups. The belts do not matter as much anymore. With BoxRec's computerized rating system, anyone can know who the best boxers are and what the best matchups would be. Ring Magazine also has their ratings. I don't always agree with either one of their ratings, but the fact that it is separate from the sanctioning bodies is a good thing because the public does not have to rely on the sanctioning bodies' often biased and subpar ratings to make a decision as to whether to watch and/or pay for the fight. People want to see Joshua fight and if one less sanctioning body is involved, I don't think it will affect the money to be made because people know that Joshua is the best and the amount of belts that he has does not determine that. Vitali Klitschko was only the WBC heavyweight champ. His brother Wladimir had more belts, but people still debate who was the better of the two. Golovkin said he wants all the belts, but he may not have the opportunity to get the WBO belt. I don't think it affects his legacy that much if he does not eventually get all the major belts.
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cpfc_fan wrote:In an odd way I think the Brook fight was a bit of a watershed moment for GGG.
Brook was clearly out of his depth...but for quite a lot of the time the fight lasted, he showed that GGG was not invincible. He landed regularly with a variety of punches and highlighted the often talked about lack of head movement. If he had size and power it could have been interesting.
Brook did not have the power, durability or size to follow through and really trouble GGG; who showed that when all else fails, he has the firepower to just bang opponents out. But I think the fight changed a lot of opinions about GGG and showed others that if they have the physical tools, GGG is beatable.
Having said that...I don't think this is a new development. GGG has always been relatively easy to hit, he has just reached a level of opponent who do it a bit more often. But lets be real, nobody has come remotely close to hurting him yet.
I believe the key to beating him is not power, but speed. Brook showed that hand speed is the way to get to him. In a shootout I would favour GGG with just about anyone. But against a proper middleweight with quick hands...I could see him get outboxed.
Agree mate
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RScarf1 wrote:
lazboy wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:Jacobs skipped the IBF weigh-in the day of the fight. GGG had to overcome Jacobs' weight advantage. GGG still deserved to win in my opinion.
And Canelos skipping it to I believe. Golovkin should skip it himself, get more rest in. But it's probably in the contract somewhere that he "can't".
If Canelo skips it, then he does not care about winning the IBF title and, like Jacobs, he wants to have any advantage possible. GGG wants to retain the title, so he will follow their rules. I don't think it is in the contract that he cannot skip the IBF's same day weight check. Canelo knows that GGG wants to keep that title. Canelo just wants to win, so he will do it by any means necessary.
Bulking up above 175 pounds won't give 5'8" Canelo advantage. On the contrary, it will make him a slower target for Golovkin.
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Ossyrules wrote:
cpfc_fan wrote:In an odd way I think the Brook fight was a bit of a watershed moment for GGG.
Brook was clearly out of his depth...but for quite a lot of the time the fight lasted, he showed that GGG was not invincible. He landed regularly with a variety of punches and highlighted the often talked about lack of head movement. If he had size and power it could have been interesting.
Brook did not have the power, durability or size to follow through and really trouble GGG; who showed that when all else fails, he has the firepower to just bang opponents out. But I think the fight changed a lot of opinions about GGG and showed others that if they have the physical tools, GGG is beatable.
Having said that...I don't think this is a new development. GGG has always been relatively easy to hit, he has just reached a level of opponent who do it a bit more often. But lets be real, nobody has come remotely close to hurting him yet.
I believe the key to beating him is not power, but speed. Brook showed that hand speed is the way to get to him. In a shootout I would favour GGG with just about anyone. But against a proper middleweight with quick hands...I could see him get outboxed.
Agree mate
Eh? Brook fight showed nothing. Look to Jacobs and Ouma to what type fighters bother him. Brook showed why he has to boil himself down to compete, as he's naturally as big, if not bigger than GGG.
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Brook is a good fighter just not at Middleweight he did ok with GGG until his head started to fall a part and Danial [The Miracle Man] Jacobs beat GGG
in my book but Canelo won't Beat GGG that's for sure Canelo will be SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. :TU:
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greg wrote:..I'm not interested in whose team said what in prefight dealings and wheelings, it's the principles of sportsmanship and fair play that should count...two boxers on fight night factually belonging to different weight categories is a no-go, end of..
Danny Jacobs didn't break any rules though, did he? So he almost certainly behaved in a sporting manner. You really can't say otherwise.

In terms of your use of the phrase "factually belonging to different weight categories", well you can't make such a bold claim can you?

Jacobs' official weight was 159.8lbs which is the only thing that matters. Nobody knows what his rehydrated ring weight was on fight night, so your outrage is misplaced since it's based on mere speculation or guesswork.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
greg wrote:..I'm not interested in whose team said what in prefight dealings and wheelings, it's the principles of sportsmanship and fair play that should count...two boxers on fight night factually belonging to different weight categories is a no-go, end of..
Danny Jacobs didn't break any rules though, did he? So he almost certainly behaved in a sporting manner. You really can't say otherwise.

In terms of your use of the phrase "factually belonging to different weight categories", well you can't make such a bold claim can you?

Jacobs' official weight was 159.8lbs which is the only thing that matters. Nobody knows what his rehydrated ring weight was on fight night, so your outrage is misplaced since it's based on mere speculation or guesswork.
That's not true. They were both weighed on the day of the fight to see how much weight they gained. The IBF knew what both weighed. They said it at their recent convention. Jacobs was about 10 pounds heavier than Golovkin. It was following the rules for the other sanctioning bodies, but not the IBF. Golovkin was following the IBF's rules and Jacobs was not. The problem is the lack of consistency from the sanctioning bodies. They should all require same day weigh ins and not allow boxers to gain more than 10 pounds from the day before. Golovkin gained 10 pounds and Jacobs gained 20 pounds in one day! Jacobs was allowed to break the rules of the IBF while still being eligible to win the other belts that Golovkin has if Jacobs won and he did not. Jacobs was really a light heavyweight on fight night and Golovkin was a super middleweight which was permitted because the IBF allows for a gain of 10 pounds, but not 20 pounds as Jacobs had done.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
greg wrote:..I'm not interested in whose team said what in prefight dealings and wheelings, it's the principles of sportsmanship and fair play that should count...two boxers on fight night factually belonging to different weight categories is a no-go, end of..
Danny Jacobs didn't break any rules though, did he? So he almost certainly behaved in a sporting manner. You really can't say otherwise.

In terms of your use of the phrase "factually belonging to different weight categories", well you can't make such a bold claim can you?

Jacobs' official weight was 159.8lbs which is the only thing that matters. Nobody knows what his rehydrated ring weight was on fight night, so your outrage is misplaced since it's based on mere speculation or guesswork.
That's not true. They were both weighed on the day of the fight to see how much weight they gained. The IBF knew what both weighed. They said it at their recent convention.
Provide proof please, since you're claim contradicts the widespread media reports that say that Jacobs didn't even bother to attend the IBF's morning-of-the-fight weigh-in.
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Jacobs was a difficult fight for GGG, Brook wasn't. That he took some punches from Brook means nothing. Golovkin is known to take punches when he is in full hunt mode. He gave far more then he received. Thats the crux of the matter.

Whether difficulty with Jacobs had specific reasons or is reflective of something more general is impossible to know for sure at this point. Canelo fight will clear up everything.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: Danny Jacobs didn't break any rules though, did he? So he almost certainly behaved in a sporting manner. You really can't say otherwise.

In terms of your use of the phrase "factually belonging to different weight categories", well you can't make such a bold claim can you?

Jacobs' official weight was 159.8lbs which is the only thing that matters. Nobody knows what his rehydrated ring weight was on fight night, so your outrage is misplaced since it's based on mere speculation or guesswork.
That's not true. They were both weighed on the day of the fight to see how much weight they gained. The IBF knew what both weighed. They said it at their recent convention.
Provide proof please, since you're claim contradicts the widespread media reports that say that Jacobs didn't even bother to attend the IBF's morning-of-the-fight weigh-in.
I have the proof, but it is on video. I filmed the IBF convention and I have been patiently waiting for Fight Hype to post my videos, but they are too busy publicizing Mayweather vs. McGregor. It was not the IBF weigh in, but the commission wanted their weights and obviously it was announced, so the IBF knew what both of them weighed.
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Is GGG getting older and slower or is GGG just not as good as we all thought he was?

It just so happens that as GGG's level of competition went up, his ability to dominate decreased. To me, that's not a strange coincidence. Yes, he is getting older and it could also factor in somewhat but in my opinion, GGG is probably not as great as he has been built up to be. That sucks for me to say because he's turned into one of my favorite boxers of all time but i have to be a realist.

This is why this fight is so important to each fighter. Whoever loses....we'll hear "He wasn't as good as we all thought". Whomever wins will be either as good as billed or better depending on how they get the win.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:
That's not true. They were both weighed on the day of the fight to see how much weight they gained. The IBF knew what both weighed. They said it at their recent convention.
Provide proof please, since you're claim contradicts the widespread media reports that say that Jacobs didn't even bother to attend the IBF's morning-of-the-fight weigh-in.
I have the proof, but it is on video. I filmed the IBF convention and I have been patiently waiting for Fight Hype to post my videos, but they are too busy publicizing Mayweather vs. McGregor. It was not the IBF weigh in, but the commission wanted their weights and obviously it was announced, so the IBF knew what both of them weighed.
Are there any other sources that supply the same info. contained in your video? It's rather strange that this hasn't been reported by the media.

You could post the video yourself to YouTube and provide the relevant time where your claim is substantiated.

If you have the proof then post it. Refraining from doing so superficially appears that you cannot support your claim.

For the record, an article written by Thomas Hauser appears to suggest that your claim about the commission weighing Jacobs on the day of the fight is pure utter fûckîng bôllôcks: :lol:

"But Jacobs failed to appear at the fight-day weigh-in. The NYSAC could have forced a fight-day weigh-in of Jacobs because it was in the contracts for the fight. But it chose to not do so."

I genuinely hope that you are abke to substantiate your claim, because I'd like to know how heavy Jacobs was on fight night, but unfortunately I feel compelled to take Hauser's words over your unproven "opinion".
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Enlightened-One wrote:If you have the proof then post it. Refraining from doing so superficially appears that you cannot support your claim.
I am giving Fight Hype until September to post the videos. If not, then I will post them myself on my YouTube account. It's not a big secret though about their weights. Fight News was at the IBF Convention along with other people in the audience and maybe Fight News posted an article about their actual weights. I did a search, but I can't find it. I know that guy from Fight News wrote a lot of articles about the convention. I only wrote one article because I was mostly doing videos, but I plan on having a follow-up article in September.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:If you have the proof then post it. Refraining from doing so superficially appears that you cannot support your claim.
I am giving Fight Hype until September to post the videos. If not, then I will post them myself on my YouTube account. It's not a big secret though about their weights. Fight News was at the IBF Convention along with other people in the audience and maybe Fight News posted an article about their actual weights. I did a search, but I can't find it. I know that guy from Fight News wrote a lot of articles about the convention. I only wrote one article because I was mostly doing videos, but I plan on having a follow-up article in September.
Why do you have to wait for Fight Hype? Post the video straight away if you have it. It's not a taxing nor a time consuming exercise to perform.

Thomas Hauser has contradicted your claim, because he said that the NYSAC didn't perform the contractual obligation to weigh Danny Jacobs on the day of the fight. Apparently Jacobs didn't attend any official weigh-in on the day of the fight.

There are no media sources corroborating your claim.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote: Provide proof please, since you're claim contradicts the widespread media reports that say that Jacobs didn't even bother to attend the IBF's morning-of-the-fight weigh-in.
"But Jacobs failed to appear at the fight-day weigh-in. The NYSAC could have forced a fight-day weigh-in of Jacobs because it was in the contracts for the fight. But it chose to not do so."

I genuinely hope that you are abke to substantiate your claim, because I'd like to know how heavy Jacobs was on fight night, but unfortunately I feel compelled to take Hauser's words over your unproven "opinion".
I don't know if the IBF was lying, but they said the actual weights of Golovkin and Jacobs, so what they weighed on fight night. I have a lot of videos and I wanted them posted to Fight Hype so more people would view them rather than my own personal YouTube account. I drove four hours to St. Petersburg, Florida and stayed in a hotel for a few days and then have to drive back. I wanted my work to be shown to the world. I'm not hiding anything. I don't even get paid for this and have to use my own time and money to fund this. I use my vacation time from work to go to these things. Fight News does too. I don't want to post them without Fight Hype's permission and I know that the editor is busy with Mayweather/McGregor and other things, so out of courtesy, I will give him until September to post the videos. I sent him all my videos from the IBF Convention already, so he has them. I have them too, but I want him to post them on the website or the Fight Hype YouTube account. The editor knows about this particular video with the weights being revealed and he was interested, so I expected it to be posted months ago, but I sent him a lot of videos and so it would take time for him to review all of them and edit them.
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Evander wrote:GGG was invincible 5 minutes ago.
On the face of it the Kell Brook bout didn't take much out of him except his face showed signs of wear and tear afterwards.
Then there was Danny Jacobs, that surprised us didn't it.

Is GGG made of the tough stuff at the top level ?
I think you are under valuing Jacobs.
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RScarf1 wrote:
That's not true. They were both weighed on the day of the fight to see how much weight they gained. The IBF knew what both weighed. They said it at their recent convention. Jacobs was about 10 pounds heavier than Golovkin. It was following the rules for the other sanctioning bodies, but not the IBF. Golovkin was following the IBF's rules and Jacobs was not. The problem is the lack of consistency from the sanctioning bodies. They should all require same day weigh ins and not allow boxers to gain more than 10 pounds from the day before. Golovkin gained 10 pounds and Jacobs gained 20 pounds in one day! Jacobs was allowed to break the rules of the IBF while still being eligible to win the other belts that Golovkin has if Jacobs won and he did not. Jacobs was really a light heavyweight on fight night and Golovkin was a super middleweight which was permitted because the IBF allows for a gain of 10 pounds, but not 20 pounds as Jacobs had done.
..I agree that the sanctioning bodies must clean up their act with the purpose of creating equal conditions for all boxers...
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Blodhemn wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
cpfc_fan wrote:In an odd way I think the Brook fight was a bit of a watershed moment for GGG.
Brook was clearly out of his depth...but for quite a lot of the time the fight lasted, he showed that GGG was not invincible. He landed regularly with a variety of punches and highlighted the often talked about lack of head movement. If he had size and power it could have been interesting.
Brook did not have the power, durability or size to follow through and really trouble GGG; who showed that when all else fails, he has the firepower to just bang opponents out. But I think the fight changed a lot of opinions about GGG and showed others that if they have the physical tools, GGG is beatable.
Having said that...I don't think this is a new development. GGG has always been relatively easy to hit, he has just reached a level of opponent who do it a bit more often. But lets be real, nobody has come remotely close to hurting him yet.
I believe the key to beating him is not power, but speed. Brook showed that hand speed is the way to get to him. In a shootout I would favour GGG with just about anyone. But against a proper middleweight with quick hands...I could see him get outboxed.
Agree mate
Eh? Brook fight showed nothing. Look to Jacobs and Ouma to what type fighters bother him. Brook showed why he has to boil himself down to compete, as he's naturally as big, if not bigger than GGG.
I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't suggesting Brook was close to winning - merely that a fighter with his style could potentially outbox GGG.
The fight absolutely did show something...if an opponent has hand speed they can and will land. A fighter with this style who is naturally bigger, or as you suggest, better, could beat GGG in my opinion.
For what its worth, I don't think the Jacobs style is necessarily more likely to get results. It made the fight competitive, granted. But the way he approached the fight you need a great chin and bigger firepower to win. That approach against GGG is always likely to end in a points defeat or late stoppage in my opinion.
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cpfc_fan wrote: I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't suggesting Brook was close to winning - merely that a fighter with his style could potentially outbox GGG.
The fight absolutely did show something...if an opponent has hand speed they can and will land. A fighter with this style who is naturally bigger, or as you suggest, better, could beat GGG in my opinion.
For what its worth, I don't think the Jacobs style is necessarily more likely to get results. It made the fight competitive, granted. But the way he approached the fight you need a great chin and bigger firepower to win. That approach against GGG is always likely to end in a points defeat or late stoppage in my opinion.
I just don't agree with the insertion of Brook. His style got himself broken by 5. Fast hands bother everybody to varying degrees. Jacobs did pretty good on the inside while he was there, but on the flipside, someone like Froch would've been interesting, bigger than GGG, tough, great conditioning and power. The guy that beat GGG in Athens had size and took the fight to GGG with short punches.
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