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Coco wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Coco wrote:Who has he beat to make you think he could beat an ATG like Chavez? As of yet he is not fit to carry his jockstrap!

Who did Chavez ever beat to make you think he could beat someone like Crawford? Legitimately beat I should say.

Taylor
Camache
Haugen
Lockeridge
Mayweather
Laporte
Limon
Rosario
Ramerez
Tony Lopez
Gonzalez

Ok, so you just think nothing of Crawford. Fair enough, I think highly of him. Taylor is the only fighter on the list I'd give a good chance of beating him and he schooled Chavez.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I hate Leonard much more,

Why do you hate him Saad, the Hagler situation ?

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: I hate Leonard much more,

Why do you hate him Saad, the Hagler situation ?

Nah, I actually won money on that. It started when I was very young. The 76 Olympics was huge for me and I was born in the same state. None of that mattered, as a kid I liked Duran, Benitez and hearns(my favorite ever). Then when I grew up and saw that the whole all American boy thing was a complete act for the media it intensified.

-He could be a beacon for gay people, instead he screams rape.

-Made commercials with his kid while he neglected him and beat his Mom.

-Always had to have every advantage, not the first, nor the last, but none of the leonard's or Mayweather's are on my rooting list.

All that being said, he'd only be behind Duran in my 40 years of watching Boxing. Easily a top 20 all time.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

paddy chavez wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Who did Chavez ever beat to make you think he could beat someone like Crawford? Legitimately beat I should say.

Camacho, Rosario, meldrick Taylor to name a few

Taylor wasn't legitimate, I think Crawford is better than Camacho and Rosario, but at least that's an answer. If that's it, then it certainly isn't out of line to think Chavez would have a tough night against a fighter where his only clear advantage would be legacy.

why wasn't taylor legit chavez battered him and the ref stopped it ,taylor was a shell of himself after he took a beating

paddy chavez wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

paddy chavez wrote:
Camacho, Rosario, meldrick Taylor to name a few

Taylor wasn't legitimate, I think Crawford is better than Camacho and Rosario, but at least that's an answer. If that's it, then it certainly isn't out of line to think Chavez would have a tough night against a fighter where his only clear advantage would be legacy.

why wasn't taylor legit chavez battered him and the ref stopped it ,taylor was a shell of himself after he took a beating

It was an even round right up untill a solid right by Chavez at 25 seconds to go. Another combination and a single straight right hand put Taylor down at about 15 seconds to go. He was up at 5 and ready to go but Steele did what nobody expected and stopped him. I don't think Chavez could have hit him again in the two seconds left. I believe Steele was In Don Kings pocket and pulled it out of the bag for his boss.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Nah, I actually won money on that. It started when I was very young. The 76 Olympics was huge for me and I was born in the same state. None of that mattered, as a kid I liked Duran, Benitez and hearns(my favorite ever). Then when I grew up and saw that the whole all American boy thing was a complete act for the media it intensified.

-He could be a beacon for gay people, instead he screams rape.

-Made commercials with his kid while he neglected him and beat his Mom.

-Always had to have every advantage, not the first, nor the last, but none of the leonard's or Mayweather's are on my rooting list.

All that being said, he'd only be behind Duran in my 40 years of watching Boxing. Easily a top 20 all time.

Fair enough I can see you have your reasons but isn't the first one media speculation rather than fact ?

Tomasino wrote:

paddy chavez wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Taylor wasn't legitimate, I think Crawford is better than Camacho and Rosario, but at least that's an answer. If that's it, then it certainly isn't out of line to think Chavez would have a tough night against a fighter where his only clear advantage would be legacy.

why wasn't taylor legit chavez battered him and the ref stopped it ,taylor was a shell of himself after he took a beating

It was an even round right up untill a solid right by Chavez at 25 seconds to go. Another combination and a single straight right hand put Taylor down at about 15 seconds to go. He was up at 5 and ready to go but Steele did what nobody expected and stopped him. I don't think Chavez could have hit him again in the two seconds left. I believe Steele was In Don Kings pocket and pulled it out of the bag for his boss.

Mate, you're a good poster but this is well wide of the mark. I actually just went and watched round 12 again as I just couldn't reconcile what you're saying here with what I remembered. Firstly, there is no way that could be regarded as an even round up until the 25 second mark - Taylor wasn't out of it, but Chavez was more accurate, was clearly so much more heavy-handed and was dictating the pace.
As for him being up at 5 and "ready to go" I think up at 5 looking completely fucked and out of it would be a more accurate summary!

paddy chavez wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

paddy chavez wrote:
Camacho, Rosario, meldrick Taylor to name a few

Taylor wasn't legitimate, I think Crawford is better than Camacho and Rosario, but at least that's an answer. If that's it, then it certainly isn't out of line to think Chavez would have a tough night against a fighter where his only clear advantage would be legacy.

why wasn't taylor legit chavez battered him and the ref stopped it ,taylor was a shell of himself after he took a beating

Surely you've heard the other side of that story? Taylor was robbed.

Tomasino wrote:

paddy chavez wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Taylor wasn't legitimate, I think Crawford is better than Camacho and Rosario, but at least that's an answer. If that's it, then it certainly isn't out of line to think Chavez would have a tough night against a fighter where his only clear advantage would be legacy.

why wasn't taylor legit chavez battered him and the ref stopped it ,taylor was a shell of himself after he took a beating

It was an even round right up untill a solid right by Chavez at 25 seconds to go. Another combination and a single straight right hand put Taylor down at about 15 seconds to go. He was up at 5 and ready to go but Steele did what nobody expected and stopped him. I don't think Chavez could have hit him again in the two seconds left. I believe Steele was In Don Kings pocket and pulled it out of the bag for his boss.

Corruption won the randall rematch too.

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Nah, I actually won money on that. It started when I was very young. The 76 Olympics was huge for me and I was born in the same state. None of that mattered, as a kid I liked Duran, Benitez and hearns(my favorite ever). Then when I grew up and saw that the whole all American boy thing was a complete act for the media it intensified.

-He could be a beacon for gay people, instead he screams rape.

-Made commercials with his kid while he neglected him and beat his Mom.

-Always had to have every advantage, not the first, nor the last, but none of the leonard's or Mayweather's are on my rooting list.

All that being said, he'd only be behind Duran in my 40 years of watching Boxing. Easily a top 20 all time.

Fair enough I can see you have your reasons but isn't the first one media speculation rather than fact ?

It's a fact that when he was in his late teens his penis was in a mans mouth multiple times. I just don't buy that an old man forced his mouth on one of the best amateur boxers in the world's penis. I suppose I should call him bisexual, just seems insulting to me to call it abuse.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's a fact that when he was in his late teens his penis was in a mans mouth multiple times. I just don't buy that an old man forced his mouth on one of the best amateur boxers in the world's penis. I suppose I should call him bisexual, just seems insulting to me to call it abuse.

The forum's suddenly exploded with cocksucking comments

When you say it's a fact though - according to who ? Have any of his "partners" publicly attested to the fact ? I'm assuming Leonard denies it ...

CaptainSpacerod wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It's a fact that when he was in his late teens his penis was in a mans mouth multiple times. I just don't buy that an old man forced his mouth on one of the best amateur boxers in the world's penis. I suppose I should call him bisexual, just seems insulting to me to call it abuse.

The forum's suddenly exploded with cocksucking comments

When you say it's a fact though - according to who ? Have any of his "partners" publicly attested to the fact ? I'm assuming Leonard denies it ...

He came out publicly to talk about it and generate more publicity for the book. I never read it, but I assume he was telling the truth. Gay love is a hell of a lie for a 'straight' man.

I never read it either, madness